Nitro planes change? not a hope, looks like they are getting worse. seems thier attitude is service costs time and money so they cut it out all together

Bruno,
No, no problem at all, learn from this experience my friend.
Fly proven airplanes, I had similar lesson in the past when a cheap trainer just couldn’t be fixed, it was made from some cardboard paper.
I build from kits.
and i really hate to see airplane crash, it makes me want to go home and not fly that day.

Alex

Maybe people need to document their problem, i.e. lots of pictures of the faulty contstruction then file a report and reverse the credit card charge. Enough people do that and maybe they'll get the hint and start sending out properly built planes.

Reversing the charge costs you nothing from what I remember but they get charged like $35 bucks everytime reguardless if they can get it aquitted. Nopt to mention all the time, paper work, and pains in the neck they'll have to devote.

Thats fine if you use credit cards, not all of us do.

I’m sorry if I’m miss understood,
It just seemed that you guys trying to speak to customer service and very disappointed when they are not answering.
Well they know what kind of product they sell and then to answer to angry phone calls from disappointed customer is very difficult.

But yes I agree its important to see these pictures to know what we are dealing with.

Alex

I have been looking at the pictures of the center section, and finally have had a chance to take some pics of the AT-6 that I am in the process of building. It looks like there was no balsa spars in the center section that failed. On the fwd and aft side of the wing connection tube on mine, there is a full length front spar. It is balsa and I have not checked the thickness. Looking fwd through the hole aft of the outer wing, there is another spar. I can't tell if is is one piece. From the pictures of br310's, it appears that the spars are missing. If that is the case, Nitro Models should replace the AT-6. At this point, I think that you might send pictures to CMP, not Nitro, and see what their response is. http://www.cmpairplane.com/ [email protected]

I hope that this might help. Please let me know if I am missing something in you pics.


Ken

Well to tell you the throut, i did send the exact email to CMP and to Nitroplanes, and the only who care to answer was Nitro. But they were clear, they had no intention to replace my plane at all. Just to bad.

RCU should pull their ads. do not let them advertise on RCU. since they went into buisness i have read and heard so much bad about them. one of my fella flyers bought 3 planes from them before he learned his lesson dealing with their customer service. recently he told me that he will never buy from them again.

Ken,
after seeing the pictures at the beginning of this thread I wouldn’t fly this, main spar which connects the wings in the middle should be of ply wood minimum if not aluminum tube, and if its aluminum tube see where its being held.

Balsa spar is good for trainers or light airplanes not for something like 10-15 lb.

Your plane, your motor and radio system, your friends around.
It’s a mistake of second order……
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you drive a car and get a flat tire and stop the car.
Mistake of first order happened because you didn’t know that you can get a flat tire.

Then you decide to continue to drive the car with the flat tire.
That was mistake of second order, you knew that there is a problem but you choose to ignore it.

What is the difference? If you stopped to fix the flat tire you continue to drive normally, if you driving with the flat tire you can cause an accident.

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Alex

br310,
Can you post some pictures that show the way the wings folded better ?

that whole centre section is a disgrace and shouldnt be allowed, its a major mishap just waiting to happen. as has been noted, there is very little (none) structural integrity in that section. The wing on my lady's trainer was the same, piddly little balsa brace which was replaced with ply, could have saved the effort, on the 2nd flight the wings made like a butterfly from about 5 inches past fuse each side. the main spars were barely 3/16 square, trailing and leading edges were both one piece and heavily notched for ribs with minimal if any glue. The only thing holding the wing together was the covering. Nitro Planes response after numerous calls and emails? not our problem [:'(]

i dont think all the cmp texans will have this problem im with ken41 looks like your center section is missing all kinds of parts. mine feels very strong with front rear spares and alot of ribs

I'm sorry Charlie, but I dont"t, everybody were looking up in the air and could'nt belived what was going on. I was also the only one flying a that time. So I had everyone attention [sm=regular_smile.gif].
One wing as no injurie at all, the other one can be fix very easely, but the fuselage WOW what a mess.

Bruno, for your own peace of mind try the Nitroplanes forum at the top of the ARF forum. When you do add a link to this thread. John from Nitro is very helpful to everyone in that forum, including myself on one occasion. I, and I'm sure everyone else, would like to see what, if anything, he has to say. You have been very civil about the whole thing. The rest of us could take lessons!

Those are nice pictures, but belived me it's only balsa ribs that you see there and it wont hold very long, you should have a complet wing spar or an other tube going from one side to the other. An other factor that you have to remember is that fiberglass will get weak with the heat from the sun or other source. So no more strength from the fiber!
Since you can't open that wing box because you will break all the balsa ribs, you might try to shoot some insulating stirefome like the one in the spray can to glue and stik everything all together.

Also the spec that they are showing are wrong, the final weight will be around + /- 16 pnds.
That's what i had with a Zenoah 26ei.
By the way I had plenty of power for a scale flight.

The CG location is not right to.
I had to moved everething foward of the firewall.
My 2 batteries pack + 200 gms of lead steating on the engine + a heavy prop nut.
That is a pound right there. If you dont do that you will have a premature take off because of a to much foward CG
The only picture that I can give you is the next one, toke after the crash.
If you look the other picture, it's on the last takeoff so you can see the attitude of the plane.
Good luck and don't hesitate to ask me other questions

I'm sorry my friend, I'm not very good in forum actualy it's my first one and I dont know exacly were and what to look for. Mabe you could send a message to that guy or post some of my message on that forum for me. Is it to much to ask?
Many thank's
SIR.

Happy to Bruno. I'll simply explain the situation and link it to here. Good luck my friend!!

Thank's so much.
I realy do appreciated.

Done Bruno. [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8174818/anchors_8174818/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#8174818]Here's[/link] the link to the thread. Might take a day, since this is Sunday, but I'm willing to bet you get some sort of reply from John. I'll continue to watch and hope for the best for you.

br310,

Did you know that NP has its own dedicated support forum? Please post NP related concerns here: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/foru...smode_1/tt.htm so I can help you the best I can.

John
Nitro Planes

No I dind't Sorry
It's a member that told me about you.
The same guy who right to you first.
Thank's
Bruno.

Did you get your help Bruno? Let's hear about it. Hopefully, for all the guys sake putting this one together, it was a good answer!

I'm curious as to what difference putting your grievances in a forum is going to make, seeing as how your service on the phone is non-existant and quite rude at that

Hi my friend, i want to thank you again for all the help you did give me with my problem. John did effectevely contact my on a private message and I did answer him yesterday night when I came back home. So when I will hear again from him I will let you all know. How's that?
I wish you all a very good thank's giving holiday!
Bye
Bruno.

I'll leave the Nitroplanes bashing to others, but I will say that using balsa of ANY thickness for a main spar is not a good design idea in any plane larger than a park-flyer. HOWEVER, I would like to thank you, Bruno, for using the forum for what it should be used for. Sharing experiences with fellow-modelers. I saw your AT-6 post about two weeks after I got mine from Nitroplanes. As I am only now about to start the build, I will be strengthening the main spar and ribs in any way that I can, including soaking the balsa with thin CA and hitting it with some zip-kicker. Re-glassing the center section is another consideration and being extremely aware to keep the plane well away from spectators while flying and keep the manuvers low-g until I do follow-up inspections after some flying time is also planned. Thanks again, Sir, for sharing your experiences and hopefully helping prevent further mishaps. Dave