Sig Somethin' Extra Build
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Nice cover job Tony. You'll find with the skills you gained from building this model and because of the detailed instructions you'll be able to build just about anything else out there.
Nice cover job Tony. You'll find with the skills you gained from building this model and because of the detailed instructions you'll be able to build just about anything else out there.
The tailwheel upgrade is a must as the stock one doesn't hold up. What control rods did you use because the stock ones are very suseptable to temperature change and retriming all day is a pain. I also see you stayed with the stock hooks which I never had a problem with as long as you always use a fresh rubber band or two. All the talk of not trusting it and needing a spring is hogwash as there is very little outward stress on the wings, even in a snap roll.
Enjoy it and don't hesitate to move the CG back a LOT from the position on the plans as you get more comfortable. It is extremely conservative on the plans.
Enjoy it and don't hesitate to move the CG back a LOT from the position on the plans as you get more comfortable. It is extremely conservative on the plans.
bought 2-56 dubro pushrod's all the way around. I also bought a mini steel pushrod assembly for the throttle because I didn't want to mess with the cable flexing.
As for the J-hooks, I have seen many posts regarding them & figured they'd be OK. I am going to use zip ties, per someones recomendation (i forget whose), but I agree that a couple rubber bands on their would probably be fine.
As you can see in the picture I did epoxy my J-hooks in just for a little extra comfort.
I hope to maiden her within the next week, it looks like we'll be in the 40's next weekend (heat wave) so hopefully saturday or sunday. I'll certainly try to get some video, or at the least give you guys a flight (I hope) report.
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You may want to cover or fuel-proof the wing roots. Even though they are not directly exposed, you will certainly get residue that can seep back from the joint and will soak into the wood and under your covering since it isn't firmly ironed down all the way to the edge. Crank a trim iron up to high and go over the edges on the root to shrink and seal them.
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I've built two SE kits and followed the instructions as per NOT sanding of laser cut parts. Never had a glued joint fail so the question is, does the extra time spent sanding the edges really improve the strength? Even if it does a little, do you need them to be any stronger than if unsanded because, after several hundred flights the only time something came apart was when it hit the ground and then it wasn't the glued joints that mattered.
You have probably already heard this but my recomendations......add 1 inch to the rudder. Also make or buy taller landing gear so you can swing the biggest diameter, lowest pitch prop your engine will accomodate. If you fly the SE on 9x6 or 10x7 it'll be a twitchy beotch. I ended up with a 13x4 wide on a YS 63 for it to be really fun.
I've built two SE kits and followed the instructions as per NOT sanding of laser cut parts. Never had a glued joint fail so the question is, does the extra time spent sanding the edges really improve the strength? Even if it does a little, do you need them to be any stronger than if unsanded because, after several hundred flights the only time something came apart was when it hit the ground and then it wasn't the glued joints that mattered.
You have probably already heard this but my recomendations......add 1 inch to the rudder. Also make or buy taller landing gear so you can swing the biggest diameter, lowest pitch prop your engine will accomodate. If you fly the SE on 9x6 or 10x7 it'll be a twitchy beotch. I ended up with a 13x4 wide on a YS 63 for it to be really fun.
I agree with one of the above posts that suggests just knock the "glaze" off of the charring with a sanding block. That's what I'm going to do.
Man; you guys are keeping me hopping from SE build thread to SE build thread; gotta have a program to see who the players are...
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Man; you guys are keeping me hopping from SE build thread to SE build thread; gotta have a program to see who the players are...
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RE: Sig Somethin' Extra Build
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You may want to cover or fuel-proof the wing roots. Even though they are not directly exposed, you will certainly get residue that can seep back from the joint and will soak into the wood and under your covering since it isn't firmly ironed down all the way to the edge. Crank a trim iron up to high and go over the edges on the root to shrink and seal them.
You may want to cover or fuel-proof the wing roots. Even though they are not directly exposed, you will certainly get residue that can seep back from the joint and will soak into the wood and under your covering since it isn't firmly ironed down all the way to the edge. Crank a trim iron up to high and go over the edges on the root to shrink and seal them.
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Don't forget to slip a piece of fuel tubing on those aileron clevis's, to keep them on. Don't look like the locking type in the picture.
Don't forget to slip a piece of fuel tubing on those aileron clevis's, to keep them on. Don't look like the locking type in the picture.
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RE: Sig Somethin' Extra Build
Steve,
I didn't see the mention of alphatic in the post I responded to, sanding before using the alphatic is probably a good idea but why not odorless CA?
Tony,
Take the sock off the iron and it'll seal the edges better. I just covered an entire plane and didn't even bother with the socks I have. To retighten the covering later I use a heat gun which comes in handy for many other things like heat shrink tubing and taking sticky back sandpaper off T-sanders.
I didn't see the mention of alphatic in the post I responded to, sanding before using the alphatic is probably a good idea but why not odorless CA?
Tony,
Take the sock off the iron and it'll seal the edges better. I just covered an entire plane and didn't even bother with the socks I have. To retighten the covering later I use a heat gun which comes in handy for many other things like heat shrink tubing and taking sticky back sandpaper off T-sanders.
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.... why not odorless CA?
.... why not odorless CA?
But mainly because CA doesn't sand worth a crap.
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If you were complaining about fumes I'd understand but if sanding is your biggest concern I say you need to use less and be neat so you don't have to sand CA. The build goes so frikken fast with CA and the fuse doublers are the only area where alphatic is called for.
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Got the first piece of sheeting installed. Glued and pinned in place to dry first.
After the sheeting dried I used a wet washcloth to dampen the outside of the sheeting and it layed down on the ribs much easier. Got the glue down on the ribs and spar and placed a shirt and some bags of pea gravel on the wing to keep the sheeting flat against the ribs and spar. With the weight on the front of the wing it rocked forward a bit and lifted the back end. I weighted down the TE a little and added a few more pins to keep it in place and straight.
Hope to put another piece of sheeting on tonight once this one dries.
After the sheeting dried I used a wet washcloth to dampen the outside of the sheeting and it layed down on the ribs much easier. Got the glue down on the ribs and spar and placed a shirt and some bags of pea gravel on the wing to keep the sheeting flat against the ribs and spar. With the weight on the front of the wing it rocked forward a bit and lifted the back end. I weighted down the TE a little and added a few more pins to keep it in place and straight.
Hope to put another piece of sheeting on tonight once this one dries.
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Hit the LHS and picked up some needed items for this build.
Picked up my covering amongst this stuff. Going with Deep Red and White Pearl Ultracote:
Picked up my covering amongst this stuff. Going with Deep Red and White Pearl Ultracote:
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If you were complaining about fumes I'd understand but if sanding is your biggest concern I say you need to use less and be neat so you don't have to sand CA. The build goes so frikken fast with CA and the fuse doublers are the only area where alphatic is called for.
If you were complaining about fumes I'd understand but if sanding is your biggest concern I say you need to use less and be neat so you don't have to sand CA. The build goes so frikken fast with CA and the fuse doublers are the only area where alphatic is called for.
Well, perhaps you can show me how to avoid "sanding CA" on a butt joint, such as where wing LE sheeting meets LE stock, the sticks in the tail surfaces, etc.
I do use CA is certain places, such as on ribs under sheeting, etc.; and as for how much glue, I use enough...
Actually, I was taught that one should use epoxy on wide, flat surfaces. The water in aliphatic usually causes the wood to curl when used in laminating, such as those doublers. Its one of the few areas I was told NOT to use aliphatic.
Whatever. Different strokes, and all of that...
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If you were complaining about fumes I'd understand but if sanding is your biggest concern I say you need to use less and be neat so you don't have to sand CA. The build goes so frikken fast with CA and the fuse doublers are the only area where alphatic is called for.
If you were complaining about fumes I'd understand but if sanding is your biggest concern I say you need to use less and be neat so you don't have to sand CA. The build goes so frikken fast with CA and the fuse doublers are the only area where alphatic is called for.
I actually planned on using wood glue on my kit when I started but after trying to glue my first two pieces together I decide that I was far too impatient for that.
I did use too much CA on several areas on the first wing & the sanding was a nightmare. With the lessons learned on the first one & about half as much glue, the second wing came out very nice & I barely had to sand any CA. [8D]
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Beveled the trailing edge using a 22" T-bar and got the trailing edge top sheeting glued and secured...
I wish I woulda had the t-bar sander for my LT-40 build. Great tool to have to do the job right.
I wish I woulda had the t-bar sander for my LT-40 build. Great tool to have to do the job right.
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RE: Sig Somethin' Extra Build
I use a 22", 11"and 4" all handy tools for building. Another handy tool that I use to rough out the bevels is a small plastic plane
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXAA64&P=ML
which is faster and makes less dust. After it is close a lot less sanding to get the final result. It'll also come in handy to do the fillet on the tail feathers and leading edges of the wings.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXAA64&P=ML
which is faster and makes less dust. After it is close a lot less sanding to get the final result. It'll also come in handy to do the fillet on the tail feathers and leading edges of the wings.
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DOH! I picked one of those planers up today(that very model actually). Not used to having it in my toolbox. Thanks for the tip!
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I glue a piece of 1/4 inch triangle stock to the trailing edges then just blended them in with a sanding block it gives you a great hinge point and allows massive deflection on the control surface
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Thanks, Stas!
Installed the rib caps. A little bit of moisture on the outer surface made these a little more flexible and easier to curve and pin in place.
The middle sheeting grafted pieces are drying at the moment. Will install them tomorrow.
Installed the rib caps. A little bit of moisture on the outer surface made these a little more flexible and easier to curve and pin in place.
The middle sheeting grafted pieces are drying at the moment. Will install them tomorrow.
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Geek,
Why are you using alphatic instead of CA? I wonder if it'll come out much heavier?
Geek,
Why are you using alphatic instead of CA? I wonder if it'll come out much heavier?
Aliphatic is much more "people friendly". No fumes, no stuck fingers, easy to sand, no allergic reactions, time to position parts.
Not everyone is in a rush to build. Some enjoy taking their time. It's part of the hobby.
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Aliphatic is much more "people friendly". No fumes, no stuck fingers, easy to sand, no allergic reactions, time to position parts.
Not everyone is in a rush to build. Some enjoy taking their time. It's part of the hobby.
Aliphatic is much more "people friendly". No fumes, no stuck fingers, easy to sand, no allergic reactions, time to position parts.
Not everyone is in a rush to build. Some enjoy taking their time. It's part of the hobby.
Used CA a little on my LT-40 build but liked using Aliphatic more as a newbie. Maybe down the road I'll give it another go with CA, but I like using Aliphatic for now.