How to use flap (FLP1,FLP2) in 9C flaperon function as :
1. this means use aileron as flap or not ? becuase of ALT2 use for ch6 same as flap channel.
2. Which event can I need to use flap in flaperon function?
3. if I did not used flaperon function and airbrake function, How can I control flap durling landing period?
4. Can I use flaperon function and airbrake in same time or not? If can,How to use them?

My questions may be not good. I will change my question as belows:
I have some question about Flaperon using as :
1. How to use and set FLP2 ,FLP1?
2. How to set Flaperon when use airbrake function because of flap in airbrake use same channel#6 with Flaperon?
3. Which event we will use Flapron and AIL-DIFF?
4. If we set AIL in Flaperon function, what is meaning of End point setting?
5. What is all events to set P-Mix#1-7?

I am not sure I totally understand your question. Let me tell you how I set them up using a 9C. maybe this will help. First I set the radio to the flapperon function. This is using ch 6 for the second aileron. Then I set up two mixes. Mix one uses ELEV for master and and AILE for slave. Then I set the trainer switch to turn the mix on and off. The second mix is ELEV for master and Flap for slave. Again using the trainer switch to activate. You will also need to set your %'s on the mixes. I use 100% for aerobatics. You may want less depending on what you want the mix for. This mix when on makes the ailerons move at the same time the elevator moves. It can also be used for spoilerons. You just need to change your % to plus or minus depending on your set up. If you want the flaps to go down and stay with the flick of a switch. That is a little different. I can try to talk you through that if you want.

David

David
Thank you for your please. I would like you to explain more for me include how to set flip for flap using. I'm sorry because my english is not good.

I do not know what language you speek but your english is better than I can speek your language.
I am at work right now. I can walk you through the set up when I am home. It will work from a switch. However the amount of flap movement will be set using one of the three knobs on the face of your TX. It is not as hard as it sounds. If I say something you do not understand. Please ask me about it.
Also is your TX menu in english?

David

David
You has many humor. But thank you for your kindly help. You better than me becuase I cannot log in to RCU durling working. I can log in only in my home becuase my company don't allow me to set browser with RCU. My TX menu is english becuase my country is very small in the world ( nobody know ). I would like you to explain me about how to flip to use flap in flaperon for 9c and what is meaning for FLP1,2 in flaperon.

Vuth, I think I can take you through the set up. First you must have two aileron servos. Each servo must be pluged into a sepperate channel. Then the FLAPERON function must be activated in your radio. If you don't know how to do this ask me later. Then go to your program mixes. PROG.MIX1 Set your rate to -75% then go to the next screen using the down botton next to the dial. Set it as follows MAS=VrA SLV= AILE LINK=OFF SW=E (you can pick a different switch if you want) POSI=DOWN. this means the flaps will come down when the switch is down. This has done one side. Now for the other side. Hit END and go down one to PROG.MIX2 RATE=+75% Next screen MAS=VrA SLV=FLAP LINK=OFF SW=E POSI=DOWN. Now turn your plane on and put switch E down. Now on the front of your radio above the lights there are three black knobs. The left knob is VrA. Turn it until you get the amount of flap you want. With the knob in the center your ailerons should be centered. Turn it one way they should both go up or down. Turn it the other way they should both move the other way. If you need more throw you can go back to your program mixes and change the 75% to 100%. Also if one aile goes down more than the other you can change this by making one 74% or 76% depending on what you need.
Please let me know if you get this done. If not post back here and tell me what the plane is doing.

David

David

I already set as your mention to me. But normally I set flaperon AIL1 +100 L, +100 R and AIL2 -100 L,-100 R. When airplane rolls, one side of aileron is up and other side is down. As your mention setting,when flip sw E. Both flap sides did not went in same direction as one side up and other side down. My understand that both sides of flap will be drop durling landing and make roll by aileron from flaperon that mix flap and aileron. After landing will be brake by air brake that both sides of flap will be go up. Please advise me to make correct setting. Thank you for your kindness.

Vuth

Go to the first page of your program mixes. Mix one should be a negative percentage ( -75%)
Mix two should be a positive percentage (+75%). This should make both of them move the same. If they are that way already then change one of them from - to +.
Now if you want the AILE to go down to land then up to stop the plane that is a little more difficult. I would recommend using one of the three position switches. Change the switch on the first two mixes from E to one of the three position switches on the right. At the bottom set it so down is ACT and center and up is off. Then you will have to set up two more mixes and use the up position of the three position switch to set the AILE to go up.
It would be easier to do it manually after you land. After the plane touches down you could just reach up and turn the knob the other way. You would jast have to double check your flaps before you flew again.

David

I may not have understood all you response before my last post. Your flapperons should be set like you are saying. The place where I am talking about making the % to 75+ and 75- is in the program mixes. This is in a different spot than the flapperon %.

David

Hi ! David;
Thank you for your many suggestion to me. Now I was success for flaperon. Today I 'm very happy,becuase I wait for someone to explain me more than 2 months ago. I posted on many webs,but nobody could explained me. Only you paid many attention to me. thank you again. If possible ,can I contact you by e-mail or not? Because I don't know how to contact you again in the future. Really I have other questions to ask you as :
1. Can you explain me for meaning of FLP1,FLP2 in Flaperon function?
2. I don't have basic knowledge for rc airplane. Becuase my country don't have rc book and learn by ask someone. So,can you suggest some good rc books to me?
3. I just start to do this hobby. So,I have only one simple airplane. If I want to buy more good one. Can you suggest me or not? I don't know how to choose it. Becuase in the market have a lot of maker and many kind of airplane. For example,how to select between Full span aileron airplane and Inboard aileron airplane? What is reason to choose it?
4. Do you have some check sheets for setup your airplane or not? ( for first setup kit and before flight )
Thank you very much for many your helps.
Vuth

Dave has done a wonderful job explaining it.

Are you running seperate flaps and ailerons? You seem to be coming back to

The ailerons are never "not flaps" and vice versa with flaperons or spoilerons. They are just centered for normal flight. The amount of flaps decreases each side equally through the computer mix. In the null setting they are no different than just ailerons.

I do it a little different. I run my control to the VR(E) paddle on the right hand side ("Slider E") so I don't have to take my eyes off the model on approach. It's very easy to center and even "beeps" to let me know when I've zeroed the flaps/spoilers. I use Switch C to choose whether I want the elevator mixed in. On high wing sport planes I find using the ailerons as spoilers (lifting both sides) gives me a steeper approach without the ballooning effect of flaps. I'm not sure if that is what you meant as "air brakes" - which could be split flaps or inner/outer ailerons set-up for CROW throws. My Contender has an apron flap/airbrake and when combined with spoilerons it REALLY drops the model. Very unnecessary, but fun to play with. I set the gear retracts switch (it has fixed gear) to lower the flap.

I highly recommend the Harry Higley book on programming the 9C. [link=http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFJZ7&P=ML]Programming the 9C - Tower Hobbies[/link] It has lots of images which may help you wade through the Futaba manual. Even though that's written in english I can't digest half of what it contains.

I'm still amazed what they built into the 9C. Mine is the pre-Super model.

Charlie mine is also the non super model.

Vuth, I saw where you asked a question in the radio forum. I could not answer in that forum.
I am glad I could help you. I think good people are good people no matter what part of the world you live in. You seem like a good person.

Feel free to email me with any questions. I will try to answer them. I do not have a sheet I use to set up. It is all in my head.
I will need to look at my radio to answer your question about FLP1/FLP2.
I think you will learn more on this site than you will in a book or magazine.
The longer the aileron the more aileron response you will get. So a full length aileron makes the plane roll faster.
It is hard to suggest a plane to you with out knowing your skill level. If you will tell me what kind of plane you are flying. Then send me a few choices of what plane you want to buy. Maybe I can tell you what one will be the best. Most people try to make to big of steps when picking a second plane. So try to not get to wild.

I am going to send you a PM(private message) with my email address. I will also try to send you an email with my address.

Hi Charlie
Thank you for your advice. But I would like you to explain more for items as :
1. What is meaning of ballooning effect of flap.?
2. What is meaning of CROW throws?
3. What is meaning of Pre-Super model?
Thank you for kindly helps.
Vuth

Hi David
How are you? I just came back from countryside because my boss sent me to took course one day. After I read your reply. I have new questions as :
1.What are different points for 9c non Super model and Super model. If have both models,can transfer data by Campac between non Super and Super or not?
2.Do you have some ideas to choose the model scale? In my country sale a lot of scale. I have only 1/8 scale one. How about your model?
3.What are different matters between aerobatic airplane and stunt airplane?
Thank you for your may helps to me. I think that you don’t seem like good person,but you are very good person on my mind. I will remember you forever.
Vuth

Hi Vuth,
The 9C super is the newer version of the 9C. I understand it has a few more mixes for gliders and such. I don't have one so I can tell you the exact differences. I do know that models can not be copied from the 9C to the 9C super using the Compac or any other device.
I have several different planes. The scale or size you want to fly depends on your budget and the place you have to fly. The smallest engine I use is a Saito 72. The three planes I fly the most have a Saito 1.80, Super Tigre 90 and a Saito 82. I will do a second post with a pic I took last week of my fleet. AS you will see I have a lot of different sizes and styles.
There is no difference between a stunt and aerobatic plane.

David

Vuth here is a picture of my fleet. I have been doing this for 18 years. Several of these planes are more then 10 years old. David

David
I envy you too much. Becuase I cannot buy airplane without approval from my wife that is very very difficult. But from now I will try more. I'm 45 years old and today is my birthday. But I just start to do this hobby. How about your city? I don't know this question polite or not? If not polite, I 'm sorry. One problem when I communicate with foreigner is culture. I'm very glad to see you in this website. If possible.please send your picture and your city picture to me. thank you for everything.
David

HAPPY BIRTHDAY and many more. I am 42 years old. I also need my wifes permission to buy a plane. What you are looking at is many years worth. I live a small town in wester Oklahoma If you download Google Earth and search for Elk City Oklahoma you will find it. Our flying site is 4 miles west of town. If i can figure it out I will send you a link. I am not sure if I have a picture of myself on the computer. If I do I will put it on this forum.
Do not worry about being polite.American culture is pretty relaxed. If you ask some thing I think as wrong I will let you know.

David

My neigborhood,my city, my flying field. Did you get my email address?
David

David,

Runway looks nice - how big is it? And is that a 1/4 mi. circle track next to it?

Hogflyer

The runway is 500'x45' of Geotex fabric. The stock car track was expanded two years ago. I was told it is 3/8 mile now. I could not tell you for sure.

David

David
Today I have sent my e-mail to you from my office. did you recieved it? Thank you again for your photos. I don't know how to explain,but my country don't have very big flying field as your city. We have only very very small flying field becuase of they don't have money to invest and operate. Also they don't have sponsor. These are become my question as :
1. How can they invest and operate this very big flying field?
2. Someone told me that flap is not necesary to use. They use flap in warbirds. What are you think about this matter?
3. Airplanes have many kind of wing as high wing,mid wing and lower wing. How to choose them?
Today I and my wife saw your photos and we think you and your family stay in nice city. I stay near Bangkok that is capital of Thailand. Everyday we have traffic jam. Also this period is more jam becuase of just overthrow government, so many tank on the road. Goodnight and good dream.....
Vuth

Vuth
I did get your email and I sent you a reply.
1. We do not have a sponsor. Our flying site is on property that belongs to the city I live in. If you notice in the pictures there is a race car track next to our field. Next to that is a motorcycle race track. Further east from that is a place to ride horses.All this belongs to the city. We rent the land for $10 a year. We did all the work and do all the maintenance. It took us 5 years of work and many donations from local businesses to get our site done. Elk City is a town of about 11,000 people. In our country smaller towns like ours try and have nice areas so people will want to live here. This is why they help us out.
2. Flaps are not needed. Most RC planes will land and take off in a short area. Flaps will make the landings slower and use less runway. This is why people use them. Warbirds have a higher wing loading. That is they have more weight compared to the size of the wing. So a warbird will benefit to make the landing slower. Also the flaps down make more lift so the takeoff can also be shorter.
3. A high wing plane is generally more stable. A low wing is more aerobatic. Both high and low wings usually have dihedral. That is the wing is higher at the tip than it is at the root next to the fuselage. This makes the plane more stable. It allows air to wash off the wing tips and help keep the wings level. A mid wing is flat and is the same airfoil top and bottom. This makes the plane plane perform the same upright or inverted. Also when you do a roll a mid wing will be axial. I high wing or a low wing will do a kind of barrel roll. That is the fuselage will not stay on a level plane when the plane rolls. So when choosing a plane you should consider how you want to fly and what your skill level is. A low wing can be a good second plane. There are several good low wings that land like a trainer but can do more tricks in the air. The best two are the Goldberg Tiger 2 and the Sig Four Star 40. Both of these can be flown with a 40 size engine or converted to electric. I dont know what planes you can get in your country. If you see something you like send me a picture or a link and I can tell you what I think. Have you soloed? What kind of plane do you fly now?

David

Hi David;
I impressed for many helps from you. I did not think that I could found someone like you. Today I already understood many things from your help and I would like to finish this post. But I will still contact to you by e-mail. Thank you very much.
Vuth