What would be the best 2nd plane, I'm looking for something with slow and stable flight characteristics, but I want to be able to do some aerobatic. I actually fly a Hobbico Hobbystar RTF with a 0.65LA and a Futaba 6EXAP.

I have tought of:

1. Hangar 9 Super Stick 40 ARF
[link]http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=HAN1700[/link]

2. Hangar 9 Piper Cherokee 40 ARF
[link]http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=HAN1900[/link]

3. Seagull Decathlon ARF 40-46
[link]http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=SEA11453[/link]

4. Seagull PC-9 Roulette ARF
[link]http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=SEA11300[/link]

5. Great Planes Big Stik 40 ARF Monokote
[link]http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=GPMA1220[/link]

6. Great Planes Super Sportster 40 MkII ARF
[link]http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=GPMA1042[/link]

Thanks for telling me what you think
SDG666

I love my SIG FourStar 40.
Here's the kit: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFG06&P=7
Here's the FourStar 60 ARF: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXCHY4&P=ML

I would avoid any of the scale planes (Piper, Roulette, Decathalon, etc) and lean towards the "Sticks" or the Super Sportster. I would also check out the Goldberg Tiger or Sig Four Star. Out of your list, my choice would be the Great Planes Big Stik 40.

My second plane was a Four Star 40 kit, and I love it.

The Easy Sport is a great second plane. It is an easy ARF to assemble, inexpensive, and a great flyer. It has good ground handeling and lands like a floater. Power it up and it does loops, rolls, and most other basic aerobatics. There are more than four of these on any weekend at our club. All of them have been converted to conventional landing gear with the addition of new main gear and a tail wheel. This modification is not necessary, it just helps on a grass field.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXDTM8&P=0

Why should I avoid the semi-scale or scale as a second plane?
They seems to have a low wing loading and they seems to be fun to fly.

The Super Sportster is an excellent flyer.

It can float in to a gentle landing, or it can do aerobatics ( but not full 3D ) w/o problems.

It tracks very well at takeoff and is easy to control.

You will not tire of it... if anything you'll be eyeing the giant version of the Sporster after a while.

Some full scale planes have nasty stall characteristics or other traits that translate to flying or ground handling issues in a scale RC model. I do not know if that would be the case with the ones you listed.

Case in point: The slow speed uncommanded snap roll tendancy of the full size Corsair is seen on the scale RC planes as well.

You own a high wing already you want to learn more......Go low wing trainer! NO SCALE YET! The flight characteristics on scale is too demanding and require good skills for flight. Its actually pretty hard to make a scale fly scale-like!

For a low wing trainer, what would be your choice.... even if it's not in my list, as long as it's an ARF 4 to 6 channel under 200$ canadian

i would go with the 4 star 60 you already have the motor.

the 4 star 60 is 214 US. from sig. it is a grate low wing plane it will do most every thing you can think of. its to bad you dont like to build the sig astro hog is the best of them all. and i do agree with the others about war berds thay are not vary forgiving.
c-crunch

I won't switch my engine / servos, because i'd like to keep this bird flying for a while and I'll put it on floats/ski, so I'll buy a new engine, servos and all the stuff.
And I'd like some cheap model (below 200$ canadian) at [link=http://www.greathobbies.com/rcaircraft/]great hobbies[/link]

Try the Astro Hog by Sig. It is a low wing plane that is both areobatic yet flies and handles like a trainer. Over the last 20 years, I have made 3 Hogs and you have the option of a trike or tail dragger set up. I have made both and was delighted with them. The Hog was my second plane and, as a relatively newcomer to the hobby, it was a very easy plane for a novice to get comfortable with.

For the most bang for the buck I would suggest a Seagull Spacewalker II. They fly great and are built tough. Great Hobbies has them listed for $149.99 . Hope this helps...

I'd avoid the Spacewalker II.

While it is indeed an excellent plane, and holds up well, it yaws at run up A LOT...

Why go smaller? Great Hobbies lists the .60-size Great Planes Big Stik at $169.99. You can fly it with a Super Tigre G-61 ringed engine ($104.99) or a Thunder Tiger GP-61 engine ($119.99) and a standard flight pack.

The Big Stik .60 will slow down and land as easily as any trainer, but is far more aerobatic. It's also affordable enough that you can buy the .60-size without blowing your budget. The Hangar 9 Super Stick .60, H9 Ultra Stik .60, or the Global Hobby Joss Stick .60 ARF would also be good choices.

Any of these airframes can perform aerobatic manuevers like Cuban Eights, Split S turns, Immelmann turns, Wing Over turns, and the like with ease.

Good luck and good shopping!

The Sportster or the PC9 will be fine. They will fly pretty fast at throttle but also fly just as well at trainer speeds. They do need to land a touch faster than your trainer though.

Have you flown the PC-9 from seagull? How does it handle?
I do really find this plane pretty

Why not consider the World Models Sky Raider Mk II ARF? It sells for $69.99 in the US and can be flown with a 40 size engine. It's a low wing tail dragger and I found it easy to assemble and great to fly. I fly mine with an OS .46 AX and it's a rocket. It will do just about any manuver that you want. If you're interested here's a place to check it out. http://www.rc-hobbies.com/product_pa...-ii-sport.html

If you are considering a stick, I suggest going with the Ultra Stick over the Super Stick (cheap covering ) or the Big Stick ( tricycle LG ). I find the sticks more fun than the low wing sports trainers - their absolutely neutral flying characterics make for easy aerobatics. The constant chord wing prevents nasty tip stalls and the 0-dihedral symmetrical airfoil makes them fly inverted just as well as upright and rolls are nicely axial. It also has an airfoil that is just right - allowing you to have a great balance between stability and speed. If you decide on going the low wing route, check out the Hangar 9 Pulse XT as well. Its an excellent design by Mike McConville with great flying characteristics and modern, easy bolt-on design - so less work putting together.

well i have a piper cherokee .40 from hangar 9 and it flys like a trainer and its capable of acrobatic manuevers. its both scale ang acrobatic !

and for a scale plane at this price $99.99 is "WOW"

CLICK ON THIS LINK enjoy !

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/D...kee+.40&CatId=

Exept for the "cheap covering" what will be the difference between the ultra and the super stick from H9?
Because one of my friend have the solo stars and the covering seems to be ok (so long, at least)

a scale or semi scale plane depending on who makes it , and what it is may have some fragile construction , difficult set up for engine/tank etc and perhaps handling requirements on ground you are not quite ready for. also cowlings on some WWII types can be real fun to work around unless you know some tricks .