All of this politicking is exactly what caused me to drop out of regular pattern. Enough!

I'll take my old Kaos and Dirty Birdy to the field when I can and just enjoy myself, sans politicians and competition. Politics suck.


Ed Cregger

Ed,

sent you a PM

Ed, I like that "Enough!"

I read this thread and just shake my head, because I see so many people that can't see the forest because the trees are in the way.
Classic Pattern, is about getting the chance to FEEL what it was like to fly the pattern planes that flew back in the 60's,70's and 80's. Not some guy's idea of what he thinks it should be. It's like me telling you, I have a 55 Chevy and if you would like to see what it was like to drive it come on over !! once you arrive you find out its a 2005 chevy !! both are Chevy's !!!
You think it's going to be the same experience. (I don't think so)

All of the design changes on these airplanes have been set in stone !! Like Paul said you can't change History and why would you. If all you want to do is fly Pattern with your latest design, then be my guest and I'll watch you do it.. I can't understand why so many people think that they must try and convince me and all the people that want to see these old Bird's fly again, that it's not about the airplane, when that's all its about !!!
Most people that talk about CPA/BPA/SPA don't fly in the contests anyway, and I'll bet most have never had the experence of flying a REAL Tipo, P-7,Compensator,Bootlegger,Tiger Tail,Cuare, Arrow,Atlas, the list goes on and on !!! All I can say is if ya havent tried one don't knock it until you do !!
Dave

Well said Dave, It is all about the Real Pattern Planes flying them the way they were !!

Since this thread relates to the CPA (an organization dedicated to classic pattern airplanes and their flying) specificly...

Strange. I would expect there be some form of government to keep order and goals intact to avoid nonsense and kaos. Therefore, not everyone will get everything they want the way they want it.

When we talk about the CPA, SPA, etc., why wouldn't it be about classic pattern airplanes, but also competitive classic pattern flying? Isn't this self-explanitory? Would there be a purpose for an organization geard for this if all pilots want to do is throw a plane in the air for no other reason than to watch it roam aimlessly and have a great barbeque when your done? That is great fun for people trying to meet for personal specific reasons, but that is no pattern related event... Classic or AMA. Unless we are calling a barbeque a pattern event...?

If all you want to do is fly the airplanes, there is no problem. But when you want to compete, and you are a member of a competition driven organization, why kick against the goads when you have everything your asking for within the organization? Unless there is an alterior motive. If a person has a problem with that point, just read the threads related and it is clear.

The two statements below are clear enough. After reading that, what is the misunderstanding?



Brian

I have to ask, what are you trying to say? I’ve read your post but I can’t understand what you’re saying? I’m completely lost now.

Bluntly put...

This thread you started poses no honest question. It is misleading. The true intent is to try to discredit the CPA to advance your own agenda. This is all it could be. You have publicly endeavored to perpetuate the idea that the CPA is only about competition. But you did this without even fact checking first. When asked, you ignore the question. You started the whole thing based on a false assumption, then ignored your CPA friends trying to tell you you don't need to splinter from it because the CPA does indeed back your motivation. It is not antithetical to the sport flyer. My comments above address this. You claim to be a CPA memeber, but you ignore your CPA brothers when they want to help your cause so you wouldn't splinter and cause this kaos. Your attack on the CPA is not just on the organization, but it's members as well. Ralph has pretty much backed out of it, but you continue it on. It's on your shoulders.

This thread is a straw man. You are building a false case against the CPA to try to tear it down. The issues addressed about what constitutes a true classic pattern plane, and E power, "Proper Genres", etc. have all been addressed before. As a matter of fact, a thread addressed this issue LONG before any of this, and the general consensus was alway that "Classic" was simply a term placed on designs 1996 and prior. It encapsulates that whole timeframe. I will find and post the thread if necessary.

Nitpicking the minor details without going to the source is the issue. It makes no sence when you had everything you needed within the CPA.

If the problem was that you simply don't like the CPA, this is your fault for not taking an honest approach. To to claim it is something it isn't, attacks every member of it.

For text proof see:

[link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10481213/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm[/link]

I still have hope this can be fixed, Paul... As it IS something that needs to be fixed.

This isn't about bickering. It is about a lack of honesty in intent. It is about going on the attack without just cause.

Brian

LOL,LOL,LOL,

Wow Brian, really Wow!!

Do whatever you want to do in your own back yard! You have no clue! None whatsoever!

One has nothing to do with the other! Really Nothing!!

So, your issue is about the formation of NECPO? Get a life !!

This is what has you on Fire!

Guess What? You have no control over that!

I’m not the only one involved in the formation of NEPCO, I am more vocal though.

If I go any further you’re not going to like my words to you.

Classic Pattern (Ballistic Pattern) is my Passion !!

SCOTT, Better get Control!

That made this thread worth reading.

Paul,

Why are you telling me "Better get control" ?

s.

Dave and Ed (NM2K) summed it up pretty good. I have flown the Tipo, the Tiger Tail, the Bootlegger, the Dirty Birdy, and hopefully the P-7 in a few days; I am now approaching the time in my life when I can do it again (and afford it a few times over). This part of it has got to go, sitting back and reading this will drive folks away, not encourage them to come out and give it a try. It's not for everyone, but it's for a lot of someone's. For me, I could care less if there were fifty CPAs, BPAs, or SPAs, I'd join the ones that I could be active in or had a passion for, but I would still support the others if I could and the missions were fairlyaligned. I've only met a few of the folks here in person, but I feel like I know you better than the typed message we see. It's time to take a breath, forget the nonsense, andstart thinking ofClassic, Senior, Ballistic, and even Vintage pattern flying as a mutually enjoyable RC venture with each having its own little flair of individuality. Yeah,I want tocompete andno I don't have too, but it doesn't mean Ishouldn't or can't enjoy watchingthose that do. Promotion is what's needed, not commotion.

Mark

Very well put, Hook57.

I'm not against the SPA, or any other *PA. They each favor different aspects of our hobby. Some in conflict with each other, but that' just another reason to join them all, so you can enjoy all of the aspects each has to offer.


Ed Cregger

Mark,

Glad to hear you wanting to enjoy the old classics again as the rest of us. That is why we are adding contest thru out the year so hope to see you at one of them.

Again CPA has a simple mission statement which can be found in prior post with a link and we do it one pass at a time...

Gear up!

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