Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
05-17-2007 | 09:46 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: crashcrash
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Mrasmm,
Excellent find on the Blades, I never would have thought that deformed blades would cause a motor to overheat..
Put that in the WIKI, Crashcrash said it a while back, when you think you might know what the problem is, it could be a 100 other things, causing it.
Dave / Choppersrule
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Mrasmm,
Excellent find on the Blades, I never would have thought that deformed blades would cause a motor to overheat..
Put that in the WIKI, Crashcrash said it a while back, when you think you might know what the problem is, it could be a 100 other things, causing it.
Dave / Choppersrule
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I just did another test flight, and 75F ambient, cutt off under load 10v OC 11.183, flight time 9 min and change, batt used CSRC 1250(#2), ending batt temp 103, ending main motor temp 137 =(, dunno how much put back into the pack, it's on the charger now.
hrm.... these should be 18 min packs too =(
The heli has decent climb out right from a fresh pack, or if I let the heli sit for about 60 seconds at around 4 or 5 feet per second, but if I have been flying for a while, climbout is like 1/2 foot per second, and when I have been flying almost the whole pack it's basically nill, it will only hover. The weird thing is though if I let it sit for about 10 sec, it will pop right back up in the air with a climb out of about 3 or 4 feet per second.
BAH!! back in the bat game =P I'm thinking it has to be the 3 in 1. I went into the LHS today and they were realyl pretty nice, but didn't really have anything to offer as far as advice except maybe e-mailing horizon. They said they might have a better chance of helping. Also I was thinking about getting some new main bearings (are they the 2.5mm or the 3.0mm? I'm thinking the main ones are the 2.5mm... that's another thing... this heli has 10 bearings, 8 of them are the 3mm, and 2 or 2.5mm.... shesh... what's it take to just make them all 3.0mm?), and looking at the 3 in 1. Their parts were really picked over though, and they didn't even have a new main motor =P must be heli season.
Crash, sounds like your having almost identical troubles to me... I agree with you, this is frustrating, and almost makes you want to throw in the towel. I mean when the problem is straighforward and you know what you need to do, fie, bring it on =), but this batty stuff of guessing what's going on is for the birds =) Are your battery packs lasting short, and/or is your main motor getting hot too?
Anyways, are you going to be getting a new 3 in 1 then? If so how soon are you going to be getting it? Maybe if it solves it for you I should really look into it.
05-17-2007 | 09:58 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Of all the insanity... I just come off a text book hover (given no bell-hiller yet). Been adjusting the swash plate up by the servo links. The HS-55's are a remarkable improvement, I did notice that. I've got a headache from working on this never ending abortion but I'm gaining ground. As I mess with the setup...it gets better and I have no idea how it could be off this far (unless just switching servos changed things that much, which it could have). I also know that a 3-1 does NOT disarm on it's own...this is a problem that should have never happened. I'm doing a LOT better but I'm nowhere near being out of the woods yet. Stay tuned as the clown show continues (I'm the freaking clown in this show).[:-]
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Crashcrash,
I've been wrong a zillion times, join the club... It really does sound, with all the testing you've done that the 3n1 might be the culprit.
I've been wrong before, too.
Dave / Choppersrule
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Crashcrash,
I've been wrong a zillion times, join the club... It really does sound, with all the testing you've done that the 3n1 might be the culprit.
I've been wrong before, too.
Dave / Choppersrule
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ORIGINAL: crashcrash
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Crashcrash,
Hmmm, are you still using the DD drive motor, it could be pulling to much juice.
Dave / Choppersrule
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Crashcrash,
Hmmm, are you still using the DD drive motor, it could be pulling to much juice.
Dave / Choppersrule
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ORIGINAL: crashcrash
I reset the whole radio. If I do NOT pull max current...no problem...I flew tonight. Lacks headspeed, won't stay airborne very high or long. Adjusted the pitch to compensate. I'm betting now on a bad 3-1 because sometimes the tail goes batty too. I'm not getting enough juice to the main motor to maintain decient head speed and if I overdraw current (steady red) with pressure on the servos...it shuts down (3-1) and I have to stop and re-arm it. """3-1 is bad???""".
I reset the whole radio. If I do NOT pull max current...no problem...I flew tonight. Lacks headspeed, won't stay airborne very high or long. Adjusted the pitch to compensate. I'm betting now on a bad 3-1 because sometimes the tail goes batty too. I'm not getting enough juice to the main motor to maintain decient head speed and if I overdraw current (steady red) with pressure on the servos...it shuts down (3-1) and I have to stop and re-arm it. """3-1 is bad???""".
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Crashcrash,
Holy Crap... What's next for you..
Does the DX6 work okay with the planks? You may want to reset the DX6 transmiiter and reinstall setting for the heli. Or maybe take one of the receivers from the planks and install in the heli. I know the feeling exactly, I've thrown out two heli,, The Falcon 3d and the Raptor G2 (Walkera). Between the cost of those two helis and parts, I dumped about a grand on them. . It can be extremely frustrating at times and expensive.. Maybe time to take a breather.
Sincerely,
Dave / Choppersrule
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Crashcrash,
Holy Crap... What's next for you..
Does the DX6 work okay with the planks? You may want to reset the DX6 transmiiter and reinstall setting for the heli. Or maybe take one of the receivers from the planks and install in the heli. I know the feeling exactly, I've thrown out two heli,, The Falcon 3d and the Raptor G2 (Walkera). Between the cost of those two helis and parts, I dumped about a grand on them. . It can be extremely frustrating at times and expensive.. Maybe time to take a breather.
Sincerely,
Dave / Choppersrule
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ORIGINAL: crashcrash
New sevos didn't solve the problem. Pulls the servos down during arming and comes back. Then running it wide open the servos pull hard down and I get either a dim green light or flashing between red and green dim light. Down to radio or 3-1. Personally I think it's the radio with it's inherient collective problem I've read about. Either way...$$$...lots of it. I'll try the 3-1 first and if that don't fix it...who knows, time to locate my 20# hammer and fix it for good. I'm about done with this stuff.
New sevos didn't solve the problem. Pulls the servos down during arming and comes back. Then running it wide open the servos pull hard down and I get either a dim green light or flashing between red and green dim light. Down to radio or 3-1. Personally I think it's the radio with it's inherient collective problem I've read about. Either way...$$$...lots of it. I'll try the 3-1 first and if that don't fix it...who knows, time to locate my 20# hammer and fix it for good. I'm about done with this stuff.
05-17-2007 | 10:02 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: mrasmm
here is the link for those blades. They have a good deal more coning than regular blades but other than that they are not bad blades =) I can't remember what they weighed, but I think like 12 or 14g for the two, so just a bit over half of what the woodies weigh. I think they only come in flats, but anyways here is the link
http://www.heli-fever.com/product_in...roducts_id=158
here is the link for those blades. They have a good deal more coning than regular blades but other than that they are not bad blades =) I can't remember what they weighed, but I think like 12 or 14g for the two, so just a bit over half of what the woodies weigh. I think they only come in flats, but anyways here is the link
http://www.heli-fever.com/product_in...roducts_id=158
05-17-2007 | 10:03 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
I'm not sure of anything anymore. When the 3-1 disarms, I adjust settings and it gets better...who knows. I'm going ga-ga here.
ORIGINAL: mrasmm
lol, I thought I mighta spoke too soon without doing a test flight first. I was just excited that I had found something pretty tangible. I did a flight test this morning, and here are the stats. Cutt Off voltage 10v under load 11.059v OC, ambient temp 59F, batt temp 89, batt used 1250(#1) CSRC, and I only put 659mAh with balance back into the pack =(, flight time 9 min and change, ending motor temp 122F.
I just did another test flight, and 75F ambient, cutt off under load 10v OC 11.183, flight time 9 min and change, batt used CSRC 1250(#2), ending batt temp 103, ending main motor temp 137 =(, dunno how much put back into the pack, it's on the charger now.
hrm.... these should be 18 min packs too =(
The heli has decent climb out right from a fresh pack, or if I let the heli sit for about 60 seconds at around 4 or 5 feet per second, but if I have been flying for a while, climbout is like 1/2 foot per second, and when I have been flying almost the whole pack it's basically nill, it will only hover. The weird thing is though if I let it sit for about 10 sec, it will pop right back up in the air with a climb out of about 3 or 4 feet per second.
BAH!! back in the bat game =P I'm thinking it has to be the 3 in 1. I went into the LHS today and they were realyl pretty nice, but didn't really have anything to offer as far as advice except maybe e-mailing horizon. They said they might have a better chance of helping. Also I was thinking about getting some new main bearings (are they the 2.5mm or the 3.0mm? I'm thinking the main ones are the 2.5mm... that's another thing... this heli has 10 bearings, 8 of them are the 3mm, and 2 or 2.5mm.... shesh... what's it take to just make them all 3.0mm?), and looking at the 3 in 1. Their parts were really picked over though, and they didn't even have a new main motor =P must be heli season.
Crash, sounds like your having almost identical troubles to me... I agree with you, this is frustrating, and almost makes you want to throw in the towel. I mean when the problem is straighforward and you know what you need to do, fie, bring it on =), but this batty stuff of guessing what's going on is for the birds =) Are your battery packs lasting short, and/or is your main motor getting hot too?
Anyways, are you going to be getting a new 3 in 1 then? If so how soon are you going to be getting it? Maybe if it solves it for you I should really look into it.
ORIGINAL: crashcrash
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Mrasmm,
Excellent find on the Blades, I never would have thought that deformed blades would cause a motor to overheat..
Put that in the WIKI, Crashcrash said it a while back, when you think you might know what the problem is, it could be a 100 other things, causing it.
Dave / Choppersrule
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Mrasmm,
Excellent find on the Blades, I never would have thought that deformed blades would cause a motor to overheat..
Put that in the WIKI, Crashcrash said it a while back, when you think you might know what the problem is, it could be a 100 other things, causing it.
Dave / Choppersrule
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I just did another test flight, and 75F ambient, cutt off under load 10v OC 11.183, flight time 9 min and change, batt used CSRC 1250(#2), ending batt temp 103, ending main motor temp 137 =(, dunno how much put back into the pack, it's on the charger now.
hrm.... these should be 18 min packs too =(
The heli has decent climb out right from a fresh pack, or if I let the heli sit for about 60 seconds at around 4 or 5 feet per second, but if I have been flying for a while, climbout is like 1/2 foot per second, and when I have been flying almost the whole pack it's basically nill, it will only hover. The weird thing is though if I let it sit for about 10 sec, it will pop right back up in the air with a climb out of about 3 or 4 feet per second.
BAH!! back in the bat game =P I'm thinking it has to be the 3 in 1. I went into the LHS today and they were realyl pretty nice, but didn't really have anything to offer as far as advice except maybe e-mailing horizon. They said they might have a better chance of helping. Also I was thinking about getting some new main bearings (are they the 2.5mm or the 3.0mm? I'm thinking the main ones are the 2.5mm... that's another thing... this heli has 10 bearings, 8 of them are the 3mm, and 2 or 2.5mm.... shesh... what's it take to just make them all 3.0mm?), and looking at the 3 in 1. Their parts were really picked over though, and they didn't even have a new main motor =P must be heli season.
Crash, sounds like your having almost identical troubles to me... I agree with you, this is frustrating, and almost makes you want to throw in the towel. I mean when the problem is straighforward and you know what you need to do, fie, bring it on =), but this batty stuff of guessing what's going on is for the birds =) Are your battery packs lasting short, and/or is your main motor getting hot too?
Anyways, are you going to be getting a new 3 in 1 then? If so how soon are you going to be getting it? Maybe if it solves it for you I should really look into it.
05-17-2007 | 10:05 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Just what do the heli gremlins do to your equipment when yer sleeping? .......... Just by your posts the only issue you have had is with a really needy tree that wanted a heli hug. I mean as far as anything to the 3 in 1 goes. I sure hope its something simple crash.......... I know you will figure it out.....even if after ya figure ya smash yer heli.... Never give up!
I have hit a wall with the TREX (gyro issues) so will have to take it to the heli guru tomorrow and probably let him have it for the weekend.
Blade CP......... I am back to my famous tail bob issues............. I couldn't bring myself to dip $100 worth of CNC aluminum in hot water............. I guess I will tear that head down to the nubbins and clean it with rubbing alcohol. I think that should dissolve the Teflon wax and then relube the works. The o rings in the head will have to be hand cleaned with just warm water. I can't find replacement parts for this head, so am stuck with my famous "Stone Age Technology" . Create magic with little resources! I am down to no flyable collective pitch helis............. but still have the CX2........ the Havoc tossed a upper rotor blade weight.
crash........... any ideas on what i can replace that with? I know somebody has an answer to that one........... the weight flat dissappeared................ I moved everything looking for it......... but i think the darn thing went in the fireplace. Thats where i crashed it last and theres a pile of ash about 2 inches deep. Not a good needle in the haystack story.......heh! If it would have landed in the fishtank again.........I could be certain that one of my fat happy gourami's swallowed it, they would eat anything that even comes close to that tank. Oh well.......... another day in the heli world.........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......blad e CP!
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I have hit a wall with the TREX (gyro issues) so will have to take it to the heli guru tomorrow and probably let him have it for the weekend.
Blade CP......... I am back to my famous tail bob issues............. I couldn't bring myself to dip $100 worth of CNC aluminum in hot water............. I guess I will tear that head down to the nubbins and clean it with rubbing alcohol. I think that should dissolve the Teflon wax and then relube the works. The o rings in the head will have to be hand cleaned with just warm water. I can't find replacement parts for this head, so am stuck with my famous "Stone Age Technology" . Create magic with little resources! I am down to no flyable collective pitch helis............. but still have the CX2........ the Havoc tossed a upper rotor blade weight.
crash........... any ideas on what i can replace that with? I know somebody has an answer to that one........... the weight flat dissappeared................ I moved everything looking for it......... but i think the darn thing went in the fireplace. Thats where i crashed it last and theres a pile of ash about 2 inches deep. Not a good needle in the haystack story.......heh! If it would have landed in the fishtank again.........I could be certain that one of my fat happy gourami's swallowed it, they would eat anything that even comes close to that tank. Oh well.......... another day in the heli world.........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......blad e CP!
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05-17-2007 | 10:14 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
On the Havoc delemma...get a BIG magnet and sweep the fire place area. Mine tossed one too but it was an easy find. I used 3min epoxy to stick it back. The battery took a dump so I tossed the unit in the trash (I knew I should have kept the thing). As far as the CP-Pro...I'm making some progress (KNOCK ON WOOD). I do LIKE the HS-55's they're alot more stable than the S-75's...if you know what I mean.
ORIGINAL: ArrowNaughtic
Just what do the heli gremlins do to your equipment when yer sleeping? .......... Just by your posts the only issue you have had is with a really needy tree that wanted a heli hug. I mean as far as anything to the 3 in 1 goes. I sure hope its something simple crash.......... I know you will figure it out.....even if after ya figure ya smash yer heli.... Never give up!
I have hit a wall with the TREX (gyro issues) so will have to take it to the heli guru tomorrow and probably let him have it for the weekend.
Blade CP......... I am back to my famous tail bob issues............. I couldn't bring myself to dip $100 worth of CNC aluminum in hot water............. I guess I will tear that head down to the nubbins and clean it with rubbing alcohol. I think that should dissolve the Teflon wax and then relube the works. The o rings in the head will have to be hand cleaned with just warm water. I can't find replacement parts for this head, so am stuck with my famous "Stone Age Technology" . Create magic with little resources! I am down to no flyable collective pitch helis............. but still have the CX2........ the Havoc tossed a upper rotor blade weight.
crash........... any ideas on what i can replace that with? I know somebody has an answer to that one........... the weight flat dissappeared................ I moved everything looking for it......... but i think the darn thing went in the fireplace. Thats where i crashed it last and theres a pile of ash about 2 inches deep. Not a good needle in the haystack story.......heh! If it would have landed in the fishtank again.........I could be certain that one of my fat happy gourami's swallowed it, they would eat anything that even comes close to that tank. Oh well.......... another day in the heli world.........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......blad e CP!
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Just what do the heli gremlins do to your equipment when yer sleeping? .......... Just by your posts the only issue you have had is with a really needy tree that wanted a heli hug. I mean as far as anything to the 3 in 1 goes. I sure hope its something simple crash.......... I know you will figure it out.....even if after ya figure ya smash yer heli.... Never give up!
I have hit a wall with the TREX (gyro issues) so will have to take it to the heli guru tomorrow and probably let him have it for the weekend.
Blade CP......... I am back to my famous tail bob issues............. I couldn't bring myself to dip $100 worth of CNC aluminum in hot water............. I guess I will tear that head down to the nubbins and clean it with rubbing alcohol. I think that should dissolve the Teflon wax and then relube the works. The o rings in the head will have to be hand cleaned with just warm water. I can't find replacement parts for this head, so am stuck with my famous "Stone Age Technology" . Create magic with little resources! I am down to no flyable collective pitch helis............. but still have the CX2........ the Havoc tossed a upper rotor blade weight.
crash........... any ideas on what i can replace that with? I know somebody has an answer to that one........... the weight flat dissappeared................ I moved everything looking for it......... but i think the darn thing went in the fireplace. Thats where i crashed it last and theres a pile of ash about 2 inches deep. Not a good needle in the haystack story.......heh! If it would have landed in the fishtank again.........I could be certain that one of my fat happy gourami's swallowed it, they would eat anything that even comes close to that tank. Oh well.......... another day in the heli world.........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......blad e CP!
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05-17-2007 | 10:35 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: ArrowNaughtic
crash........... any ideas on what i can replace that with? I know somebody has an answer to that one........... the weight flat dissappeared................ I moved everything looking for it......... but i think the darn thing went in the fireplace. Thats where i crashed it last and theres a pile of ash about 2 inches deep. Not a good needle in the haystack story.......heh! If it would have landed in the fishtank again.........I could be certain that one of my fat happy gourami's swallowed it, they would eat anything that even comes close to that tank. Oh well.......... another day in the heli world.........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......blad e CP!
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crash........... any ideas on what i can replace that with? I know somebody has an answer to that one........... the weight flat dissappeared................ I moved everything looking for it......... but i think the darn thing went in the fireplace. Thats where i crashed it last and theres a pile of ash about 2 inches deep. Not a good needle in the haystack story.......heh! If it would have landed in the fishtank again.........I could be certain that one of my fat happy gourami's swallowed it, they would eat anything that even comes close to that tank. Oh well.......... another day in the heli world.........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......blad e CP!
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crashcrash:
are you avoiding me
hehe, j/k, I've just asked a couple of q's to ya, and you musta looked over them or something
05-17-2007 | 10:45 PM
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No...not avoiding you. To tell you the truth, I haven't really figured it out. I got one good text book hover tonight...back in the can with it. My batteries are getting warm...real warm. Motors feel about normal as far as being warm. Acts like lack of head speed and my red light comes on way to early. The servos are no longer in the equasion. The radio seems to be performing as it should which leaves the 3-1. Somewhere...there's excessive current draw happening. Being how I've had the 3-1 disarm...that's NOT a good sign no matter what is going on. I'll most likely order a new 3-1 shortly because this thing is NOT right and I've checked motors, setup, servos, and I still come out bad.
ORIGINAL: mrasmm
lol, I thought I mighta spoke too soon without doing a test flight first. I was just excited that I had found something pretty tangible. I did a flight test this morning, and here are the stats. Cutt Off voltage 10v under load 11.059v OC, ambient temp 59F, batt temp 89, batt used 1250(#1) CSRC, and I only put 659mAh with balance back into the pack =(, flight time 9 min and change, ending motor temp 122F.
I just did another test flight, and 75F ambient, cutt off under load 10v OC 11.183, flight time 9 min and change, batt used CSRC 1250(#2), ending batt temp 103, ending main motor temp 137 =(, dunno how much put back into the pack, it's on the charger now.
hrm.... these should be 18 min packs too =(
The heli has decent climb out right from a fresh pack, or if I let the heli sit for about 60 seconds at around 4 or 5 feet per second, but if I have been flying for a while, climbout is like 1/2 foot per second, and when I have been flying almost the whole pack it's basically nill, it will only hover. The weird thing is though if I let it sit for about 10 sec, it will pop right back up in the air with a climb out of about 3 or 4 feet per second.
BAH!! back in the bat game =P I'm thinking it has to be the 3 in 1. I went into the LHS today and they were realyl pretty nice, but didn't really have anything to offer as far as advice except maybe e-mailing horizon. They said they might have a better chance of helping. Also I was thinking about getting some new main bearings (are they the 2.5mm or the 3.0mm? I'm thinking the main ones are the 2.5mm... that's another thing... this heli has 10 bearings, 8 of them are the 3mm, and 2 or 2.5mm.... shesh... what's it take to just make them all 3.0mm?), and looking at the 3 in 1. Their parts were really picked over though, and they didn't even have a new main motor =P must be heli season.
Crash, sounds like your having almost identical troubles to me... I agree with you, this is frustrating, and almost makes you want to throw in the towel. I mean when the problem is straighforward and you know what you need to do, fie, bring it on =), but this batty stuff of guessing what's going on is for the birds =) Are your battery packs lasting short, and/or is your main motor getting hot too?
Anyways, are you going to be getting a new 3 in 1 then? If so how soon are you going to be getting it? Maybe if it solves it for you I should really look into it.
ORIGINAL: crashcrash
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
Took it off...the main is brand new. As things go bad, people make adjustments to compensate (see servo bind/glitch). I adjusted the servos so they will not bind but at max current draw, the 3-1 will disarm...I know that's not right. They don't disarm in a crash. Just by the nature of disarming, this would be the most likely cause of not getting enough juice to the motor. If I do a highpower in my hand observing servos and all...collective is working fine so it's not the radio....I've been wrong before (didn't I say that?).
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Mrasmm,
Excellent find on the Blades, I never would have thought that deformed blades would cause a motor to overheat..
Put that in the WIKI, Crashcrash said it a while back, when you think you might know what the problem is, it could be a 100 other things, causing it.
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Mrasmm,
Excellent find on the Blades, I never would have thought that deformed blades would cause a motor to overheat..
Put that in the WIKI, Crashcrash said it a while back, when you think you might know what the problem is, it could be a 100 other things, causing it.
Dave / Choppersrule
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I just did another test flight, and 75F ambient, cutt off under load 10v OC 11.183, flight time 9 min and change, batt used CSRC 1250(#2), ending batt temp 103, ending main motor temp 137 =(, dunno how much put back into the pack, it's on the charger now.
hrm.... these should be 18 min packs too =(
The heli has decent climb out right from a fresh pack, or if I let the heli sit for about 60 seconds at around 4 or 5 feet per second, but if I have been flying for a while, climbout is like 1/2 foot per second, and when I have been flying almost the whole pack it's basically nill, it will only hover. The weird thing is though if I let it sit for about 10 sec, it will pop right back up in the air with a climb out of about 3 or 4 feet per second.
BAH!! back in the bat game =P I'm thinking it has to be the 3 in 1. I went into the LHS today and they were realyl pretty nice, but didn't really have anything to offer as far as advice except maybe e-mailing horizon. They said they might have a better chance of helping. Also I was thinking about getting some new main bearings (are they the 2.5mm or the 3.0mm? I'm thinking the main ones are the 2.5mm... that's another thing... this heli has 10 bearings, 8 of them are the 3mm, and 2 or 2.5mm.... shesh... what's it take to just make them all 3.0mm?), and looking at the 3 in 1. Their parts were really picked over though, and they didn't even have a new main motor =P must be heli season.
Crash, sounds like your having almost identical troubles to me... I agree with you, this is frustrating, and almost makes you want to throw in the towel. I mean when the problem is straighforward and you know what you need to do, fie, bring it on =), but this batty stuff of guessing what's going on is for the birds =) Are your battery packs lasting short, and/or is your main motor getting hot too?
Anyways, are you going to be getting a new 3 in 1 then? If so how soon are you going to be getting it? Maybe if it solves it for you I should really look into it.
05-18-2007 | 06:54 AM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Well got everything back to gether again. It's getting easier to reassemble the rotor the more times I do it. Soon I'll try it blind folded. I tried my first hover last nite outside in a "little wind" condition. Bad move. Unlike gas powerd fixed wing this little heli doesn't have the extra power to fight it. I learned another lesson and got more expierence in rebuild. Now if only the weather would cooperate and I could be more patient maybe I'll get it next time.
05-18-2007 | 06:35 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Relax...one step at a time. By the way....do you hear crickets????
By the way....do you hear crickets????
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Well got everything back to gether again. It's getting easier to reassemble the rotor the more times I do it. Soon I'll try it blind folded. I tried my first hover last nite outside in a "little wind" condition. Bad move. Unlike gas powerd fixed wing this little heli doesn't have the extra power to fight it. I learned another lesson and got more expierence in rebuild. Now if only the weather would cooperate and I could be more patient maybe I'll get it next time.
Well got everything back to gether again. It's getting easier to reassemble the rotor the more times I do it. Soon I'll try it blind folded. I tried my first hover last nite outside in a "little wind" condition. Bad move. Unlike gas powerd fixed wing this little heli doesn't have the extra power to fight it. I learned another lesson and got more expierence in rebuild. Now if only the weather would cooperate and I could be more patient maybe I'll get it next time.
05-18-2007 | 08:22 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
**SLIDES IN........................... SENDING A SHOWER OF SPARKS**
Played hookey from work today............. Went thru the entire CNC head and still have the tail bob issues. I am going to have to tear it all out, and start from scratch. All the wax is gone, just need to get that darn head back to flowing smoothly. The heli gods are not smiling in my direction this week.
A note of caution to all who are low on blades........... Helidirect has gotten a low quality shipment in and is selling them at the $8 buck price. I think they are worth about 3 bucks a set tho. 11mm shorter than the last set I got 2 weeks ago (thats 22mm of blade not lifting)...........and only 8 grams each compared to the other version weighing in at a whopping 18.4 grams each. The ones they have now, feel and look like a crappy piece of balsa with a super thin layer of monokote over them. I am not even going to balance them. The pic might not show the difference in quality, but put them in your hand, you will feel the difference.
DD tail update............. the 3020 props never came in so I cut down one of my 4530's to 3 1/4 in and sanded it smooth. From all the over heating going on, I am convinced it was trying to push too much air and overworking themotors and 3 in1's and 4 in 1's. Pics of finished DD prop and originals included. Rock on my friends............and has anyone seen Barrrick??
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Played hookey from work today............. Went thru the entire CNC head and still have the tail bob issues. I am going to have to tear it all out, and start from scratch. All the wax is gone, just need to get that darn head back to flowing smoothly. The heli gods are not smiling in my direction this week.
A note of caution to all who are low on blades........... Helidirect has gotten a low quality shipment in and is selling them at the $8 buck price. I think they are worth about 3 bucks a set tho. 11mm shorter than the last set I got 2 weeks ago (thats 22mm of blade not lifting)...........and only 8 grams each compared to the other version weighing in at a whopping 18.4 grams each. The ones they have now, feel and look like a crappy piece of balsa with a super thin layer of monokote over them. I am not even going to balance them. The pic might not show the difference in quality, but put them in your hand, you will feel the difference.
DD tail update............. the 3020 props never came in so I cut down one of my 4530's to 3 1/4 in and sanded it smooth. From all the over heating going on, I am convinced it was trying to push too much air and overworking themotors and 3 in1's and 4 in 1's. Pics of finished DD prop and originals included. Rock on my friends............and has anyone seen Barrrick??
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05-18-2007 | 08:35 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
How do you guys feel about the carbon blades? I feel like the head speed is slow and I don't get a lot of lift. I've ditched it twice now because I ran out of cyclic. Should I go back to Symmetrical woodies? I'm running the aero upgrade and TP 910's with stock gear on the motor.
Thanks for the help!
Jay
BTW original Blade CP, not Pro, with the Bell/Hiller head. My weights are mid way on the bar.
Thanks for the help!
Jay
BTW original Blade CP, not Pro, with the Bell/Hiller head. My weights are mid way on the bar.
05-18-2007 | 08:43 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
So you are talking a 10 tooth pinion on the motor? Or the 9 tooth? My carbons look pretty small compared to the syms, but they are a good deal lighter so I naturally assumed they would have some affect on head speed in a positive way. Oh please tell me I didn't waste cash on the CF's also!!
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05-18-2007 | 09:09 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
carbon is heavier than wood, but it can take more of a beating, tracks better, and gives higher top speed. i use eflight sym woods for aerobatics, and eflight cf for sport/speed.
-kev
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05-18-2007 | 10:35 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Mine's a 9 tooth. I just feel like I have no hard lift. As far as wasting your money on carbons, I've smacked my blade on the ground about six times with them on and they took the abuse. Touch the ground with woodies and you have to buy a new $et. Once I repaired them due to an asphalt strike. The shaft is straight and I don't have any vibration. ( I replaced it once!) I wonder if my motor is starting to slow down, it's over a year old with at least 50 flights. I still haven't replaced the tail motor! I may get a set of woodies at my LHS www.Hobby-Sports.com. I love to give them a plug once in a while, they've never let me down I'll let you all know how it feels going back to the woodies. I'd love to put the 3-1 in and go brushless, I'd be very happy.
I'll let you all know how it feels going back to the woodies. I'd love to put the 3-1 in and go brushless, I'd be very happy.
05-18-2007 | 11:46 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Told ya a while back... CF's are the best man! Just cant swing $30 for a set so I stick with plasti-blades. You NEVER go wrong with CF's.
ORIGINAL: ArrowNaughtic
So you are talking a 10 tooth pinion on the motor? Or the 9 tooth? My carbons look pretty small compared to the syms, but they are a good deal lighter so I naturally assumed they would have some affect on head speed in a positive way. Oh please tell me I didn't waste cash on the CF's also!!
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So you are talking a 10 tooth pinion on the motor? Or the 9 tooth? My carbons look pretty small compared to the syms, but they are a good deal lighter so I naturally assumed they would have some affect on head speed in a positive way. Oh please tell me I didn't waste cash on the CF's also!!
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05-19-2007 | 02:07 AM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
personally, I like the sym woodies. sure they don't stand up well in a crash, but I'd rather replace the blades then a spindle, main gear, or tail boom.
05-19-2007 | 10:21 AM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
I got my CF's from helidirect for $22......... [link=http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_65&products_id=2142]CF Blades[/link]
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Told ya a while back... CF's are the best man! Just cant swing $30 for a set so I stick with plasti-blades. You NEVER go wrong with CF's.
Told ya a while back... CF's are the best man! Just cant swing $30 for a set so I stick with plasti-blades. You NEVER go wrong with CF's.
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05-19-2007 | 10:42 AM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Yeah...they,re great. They track/balance, and respond instantly...whats not to like. Not only that, they look fantastic too. I loved the ones I had. Maybe someday I'll get another set...like when I know how to fly and not hit stuff. I'm waitinig on Bell-Hiller and mainshaft, I cant stand flying without Bell-Hiller so I'm concentrating on planks right now. Still got the current draw problem and I'm gearing up to replace the 3-1 because it's all I can think of given that mine had disarmed it's self more than once and that's not right no matter how you cut it. Between replacing the rotor head and all servos, once I replace the 3-1, it'll be a brand new heli. The HS-55's...WOW! When you guys replace the S-75's....get the HS-55's, it's like night and day difference. I got a package deal on 3 of them off E-Bay brand new in the box. I would say that the HS-55's are as much an improvement as Bell-Hiller...I'm NOT kidding, you got to do this because you'll be amazed.
ORIGINAL: ArrowNaughtic
I got my CF's from helidirect for $22......... [link=http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_65&products_id=2142]CF Blades[/link]
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I got my CF's from helidirect for $22......... [link=http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_65&products_id=2142]CF Blades[/link]
ORIGINAL: crashcrash
Told ya a while back... CF's are the best man! Just cant swing $30 for a set so I stick with plasti-blades. You NEVER go wrong with CF's.
Told ya a while back... CF's are the best man! Just cant swing $30 for a set so I stick with plasti-blades. You NEVER go wrong with CF's.
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05-19-2007 | 11:50 AM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
they are great at hobby sports. went the other day and great selection. had the super skids in stock and saved a few bucks also a great selection of parts. well worth the trip to portage for.
i tried out some plastic blades and they definatly can take a beating but threw them in the garbage. the woodies break on the tail boom the plastics will cut it in half. i would rather spend the money on woodies and just have to screw new ones on when i screw up which i do alot lol. slight crash with the plastics not a bad one i had to replaice the shaft (bent) replace the boom which meant getting the old one off, reruning wires, soldering the wires back on the motor, i would have hate to see what happens in a bad crash. for me no more plastic blades. wooden or cf is it
i tried out some plastic blades and they definatly can take a beating but threw them in the garbage. the woodies break on the tail boom the plastics will cut it in half. i would rather spend the money on woodies and just have to screw new ones on when i screw up which i do alot lol. slight crash with the plastics not a bad one i had to replaice the shaft (bent) replace the boom which meant getting the old one off, reruning wires, soldering the wires back on the motor, i would have hate to see what happens in a bad crash. for me no more plastic blades. wooden or cf is it
05-19-2007 | 12:49 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Anytime you "crash proof" the shock will be transfered to a weaker part of the heli where it will break. The biggest trick with plasti-blades is NOT to over tighten the grip screws or all haties breaks loose in the slightest of blade strikes. Tighten the blade grips JUST enough to hold on spool up and if you hit something...the blades will give and minimize the damage. It's more personal prefrence than anything. Carbon fiber blades are just as bad at causing damage as Plasti-Blades if you overtighten the blade grips. I must have found the right formula for Plasti-Blades because in 4 months and PLENTY of strikes, this is only my second set. Main shafts and spindels are what I go through the most and that is cheaper than main blades.
My power problem...the radio is working fine, it IS the 3-1 but I've got about a week before I can order one. The heli goes on the shelf till then because it's pointless to mess with it when it's in this bad of shape.
My power problem...the radio is working fine, it IS the 3-1 but I've got about a week before I can order one. The heli goes on the shelf till then because it's pointless to mess with it when it's in this bad of shape.
ORIGINAL: atcspaul
they are great at hobby sports. went the other day and great selection. had the super skids in stock and saved a few bucks also a great selection of parts. well worth the trip to portage for.
i tried out some plastic blades and they definatly can take a beating but threw them in the garbage. the woodies break on the tail boom the plastics will cut it in half. i would rather spend the money on woodies and just have to screw new ones on when i screw up which i do alot lol. slight crash with the plastics not a bad one i had to replaice the shaft (bent) replace the boom which meant getting the old one off, reruning wires, soldering the wires back on the motor, i would have hate to see what happens in a bad crash. for me no more plastic blades. wooden or cf is it
they are great at hobby sports. went the other day and great selection. had the super skids in stock and saved a few bucks also a great selection of parts. well worth the trip to portage for.
i tried out some plastic blades and they definatly can take a beating but threw them in the garbage. the woodies break on the tail boom the plastics will cut it in half. i would rather spend the money on woodies and just have to screw new ones on when i screw up which i do alot lol. slight crash with the plastics not a bad one i had to replaice the shaft (bent) replace the boom which meant getting the old one off, reruning wires, soldering the wires back on the motor, i would have hate to see what happens in a bad crash. for me no more plastic blades. wooden or cf is it
05-19-2007 | 05:15 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: crashcrash
My power problem...the radio is working fine, it IS the 3-1 but I've got about a week before I can order one. The heli goes on the shelf till then because it's pointless to mess with it when it's in this bad of shape.
My power problem...the radio is working fine, it IS the 3-1 but I've got about a week before I can order one. The heli goes on the shelf till then because it's pointless to mess with it when it's in this bad of shape.
05-19-2007 | 08:12 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
chirp.... chirp.....
here's some useful info, about disgarding old LiPo's
according to DN Power Co., Ltd.:
The proper way to discard useless Lithium Polymer batteris:
here's some useful info, about disgarding old LiPo's
according to DN Power Co., Ltd.:
The proper way to discard useless Lithium Polymer batteris:
When batteries are useless, you should open aluminum models membrane with scissors, rinse with water for one minute, and then dsposal it as clean scrap, or the battery can be returned to specialized organization. DN POWER batteries may be recycled by suppliers.
