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Old 04-28-2011 | 04:42 PM
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Downloaded n flew the mcpx on Phoenix this morning, dang that thing seems hard to fly from lack of power..! How does it compare to the actual heli?
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I downloaded that yesterday too.. need to give it a whirl and see how it compares.
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It has WAY more power than the real thing... and the tail never blows out on Phoenix like it does in real life.
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So the real one is worse than the one on Phoenix..? Ugh!!!!
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You have to be ever so gentle on collective or you blow the tail out. Supposedly the Hyperion 240mAh batteries change that. My buddy Dave says he can do tick tocks now. I have to see it to believe it though.
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I found out why my 6 degree adjustment wasn't blue....Other than I'm incredibly stubborn and wanted to do this without reading the manual, I found I'm supposed to use a different hole on the servo arms.  Fun stuff.  Oh, yeah... I read the manual.    In the manual, they also said to use new servos.  I ain't doin' that, yet.  I am going to replace the top bearing block, though... I've had that since I buried it, inverted last year.  The bearings are about the notchiest I've run across on my helicopters.    

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Eddie - I've seen vids of the mCP X doing some serious 3D without a problem. Several guys on the forums say they don't have problems with the tail. I beleive they tweeked the setup to get it that way! Since you're looking to get back into it, I thought this would be a good one for you to practice in the house with until you're ready for the big boys again. It's way more "fun"than the mSR!

Obviously, my tail is fine since I'm only moving it around the front room a bit.

Ivan - I told you! Next time I'm over you gotta' let me take that for a spin! LOL

Scott - poor baby! Hanf in there you'll get it! Tuff being leading edge...

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Wow, combining my 2 favorite "sports'!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THO_f...mbedded#at=117

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Chuck,

That video link doesn't work here.. YouTube reports a malformed video.

Yeah... poor baby! LOL!

I'm anxious to hear how Ivan's stuff indoors last night.

On my front... I'm getting ready to start finishing my 450pro. I put fertilizer in the lawn this morning... I try to hold out as long as I can, but with all the rain we've had, dandelions were popping up. So..it was weed and feed time. 55lbs of fertilizer later.. I'm done. I usually try to hold out until the middle of May, but not this year. So, next application in late May, then the summer stuff in mid-June. It's nice having a plan... YUCK!!!

Scott

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Scott, I am chasing issues with the set up. I get an aileron bobble on hard pitch pumps every once in a while. I am going to change the tape to 3M and see if that helps. Others are flying the same setup, so I know it will work.

I got the Beam E-4 flying and flying well too. Flips so fast and axial. Really liking it.

The Rave did not come out as well. I replaced the cyclic servos with JR DS85s which are fine but the JR 3500g I put on the tail had a stripped gear in it so I ended up putting a 3400g on instead. That servo, the Spartan DS760 or the way I have it set up just do not seem to be jiving. I get bounce stops in one direction and slide stops in the other. I ordered a gear set for the 3500g and will put that on when it comes in.

I got side tracked with the Rustler so I did not get the Outrage G5 up and running. Plus I was missing the satellite RX adapter till Alex hooked me up the other day.

My 450 Pro still flies like a champ.

I did not fly my Furion but it is always awesome.

I am waiting on servo gears for my HK450B after that last crash when the swash ball screw fell out. All the other damage is repaired. Not a bad crash at all actually.

The HK450A got flown last weekend at the dome and is flying excellent as usual. I even did a flip or two and tested inverted for a moment. Glad to have it back in the fleet.

The Align 450S GF should fly just fine although I just can't remember the last time I flew it.

The Copter X should fly just fine but it is just like any of the other Align / clones I have.

The EXI needs a tail gyro and flybared head. It did not fly well with the Gaui GU365 or the BeastX. I am sure the issue with the Beast was the servos I chose. They just were not up to the task.

The Align 450XL needs an MD500 fuse.... and all electronics. LOL. I think that is all that heli is good for.

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Busy week for me had to catch up on the forum...

The boards on the Hexa seem ok. I has to send one back for another reason (it wasn't storing the settings on board the flash memory). The one bad thing about having 6 brushless motors at the end of thin arms is... having 6 brushless motors at the end of thin arms. Ripped one wire (of the 3) from one motor, and twisted up another motor so much that I snapped the wires on that one. I _probably_ can fix it, but I don't want to risk $3k with suspect motors.

I do have video of me taking off the camera mount, but not that actual crash (but I'll include some pictures).

I did receive FPV video stuff this week (except for the camera, which was out of stock). So next time I take it up, I'll have some real-time video. Now to play with some On-Screen Display!

Ivan-
It's got to take a lot of work (and though) to put all your helis back together.
Need video of that Rustler!

Eddie-
Nice to hear you working out the kinks.

Chuck-
The SR-71 was cool. But it's not realistic until it leaks fuel like a sieve until it gets up to "speed" and causes the TI to expand and fill in all the gaps.
Sorry to hear about the crash.


Scott-
Sorry to hear about your issues with the DX8.
Glad you found your "blue" problem.
Glad that DT has a new drummer!
Fertilizer...lawn...what's that?



I was reading through Radio Control Heli Pilot and I'd though I pass some things along:
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The Walkera HM 4F200 looks like a nice 3blade FBL heli (w/ 3blade tail)
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There's a review of the BeastX, "It's easy to setup, takes very little room on your helicopter, and is priced comparable to a good tail gyro. Highly recommended!"

They also talked with the people who produce the Microbeast, and the original designer of the Microbeast (Hans):
The Microbeast is very good at doing a slow pirouette while holding the heli level, and it does not care about the location of the heli's CG. Hans slso notes that he worked with test pilots to optimize the gain between angular rate feedback and mathematically-integrated angular attitude feedback to give a nice balance. That is, the unit does not stop any motion so soft as to be mushy, nor too hard so as to cause a bounce. Some flybarless controllers use just proportional (P) and integration (I) feedback, but he uses a full P,I,D (differential) feedback system.

Since flybarless helicopters do not have Bell-Hiller mixing arms and a flybar to relieve the steady and vibratory aerodynamic loads feeding back from the rotor blades to the servos, it is critical to employ the highest quality and most rugged servos you can find to get the best performance. The servos should have metal gears and output shafts supported by two radial bearings. The torque rating should be greater than 100 oz-in for 50-90 size helicopters.

For best performance with the heading lock tail gyro, use a high speed digital servo that can handle a high signal frame rate of 270 to 330 Hz.
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They also reviewed the Rave ENV (Electric, or 90 size glow), "The RAVE offers flawless performance and can handle and 3D maneuvers that you can fly. If Nick Maxwell cannot break it in the air, then it's unlikely you will! However, it is also a very smooth flying machine that is great for everyday enjoyment."
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reviews of lots of others helis that I haven't read yet.


-Dave


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Dave,

That's awesome, sir!  I loved it.   That hexicopter has great power and seems incredibly agile.  God, it was hard to look at the pictures, but man... that is awe inspiring.. just the noise and the way you went full out when it was on its side.  It's a beast!!!  Thanks so much for sharing, sir!

Ivan,

Thanks for the update.  I was hoping you'd have a good night of it, bro.    I've got a couple of DS760's on the T-Rex 500, I'm using a 3500g.  On the HeadHunter, I'm using a Hyperion servo.  Never had a 3400g.  Are you using the software to program the Spartan?  Just wondering because they've got a ton of settings.  Kammerer used to use a 3400g with a DS760 with no issues.  Anyrate, at times, I forget just how many helicopters you have!!!  Planes... I don't know much about. 

Dunno about the tape.. I haven't flown either of my microbeast helicopters long enough to know (see below).  I have a bunch of Charlie tape, so if I have problems, I'll try that.  I don't know what the standard tape is good for with the center punched out, though.

Me...

Well, I finished the 450 pro today only to forget to program thottle hold... More brainfarts!!!  I stripped the front torque tube drive gear because I'm so used to using thottle hold to land..   I got a glorious 35 seconds in the air with it.  At least I know the basic microbeast settings are good.
I've got the gears.,. I'm just hungry... time to get dinner...  Oh, I did replace the top bearing/servo mount block and rebuilt the elevator servo.  I have to say it's much easier to get the elevator servo in when you don't have the top bearing block in.  Oh, yeah.. moving the balls in on hole fixed the 6 degree issue.   I'm hungry...   Look up Black Rock Bar and Grill in Michigan... that's where we're going to eat.  I can just taste it now!

If I decide to keep the flybarless 450pro... I'll have some parts for sale. 

Scott
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Dave, awesome video. Man that thing gets sideways when you jam on the cyclic!! FAST!!! Really surprised the landing legs did not come off with that hit. Do you have to pay for the crash or is it considered "research"? Thanks for the info from the magazine. Some cool stuff in there.

Scott, thanks for the info on the gyro / tail servo. Alex dropped off his Spartan Link so I can do some programming. Hopefully it will work a bit better. What did you do when you hit TH to cause a tail strike? I have been told that 3M Scotch 4011 tape is what works well for the Microbeast. I am going to pick some up in a bit and see if that helps. Black Rock Bar and Grill looks like it has some fancy food there. You got my taste buds all hopped up for a steak now!!

Dave requested Rustler videos and Alex dropped by and was able to man the camera... so here goes!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syheWxiVslI[/youtube]
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Ivan,

That Rustler looks like a bunch fun!  When I was a kid, I had a Jerobee Can-Am bodied car... Cox 049 in it... first time out, crashed it into the curb and broke the frame in half.  Never got it right after that.  I found one online about 3 years ago and almost got it.  Damn, Ivan... now you have me thinking about getting a Rustler, too.   Those tires expanding like they do is just awesome!! I laughed out loud at that.  Are they soft semi-pneumatic? 

I hope you get your gyro sorted out.  The 760's are great gyros and that servo shouldn't be much of a problem.  I would have gotten one for my 500 pro if I could have found one.  The 3500g will work great, too.   Are you using stock Spartan pads?

Here's how I broke the gear... I landed without throttle hold and when I lowered the stick, the skids flexed and buried the tail.   Here's another good one, just happened.  When we got back from dinner I fixed the gear.  Went outside, got it into a hover went to idle 1, tail wag.  Thottle hold (works, now)... landed fine. Lowered gain... not enough... took off, Idle 1, tail wag... throttle hold, landed, tipped over.  Bent a link.    Done for the day.. weekend with the 450 pro, actually.   Ordered more links.  Fun stuff.  At least I know I can get wag with a flybarless system, now.  So... I'll just get it set with my other helicopters and be done with it.  I do think wag affects the control unit because of vibration. 

That said.. dinner was great!!    It's a nice place.  The Halloumi Caprese is to die for.  Grilled Halloumi cheese (has the consistency of chicken... seriously) basil, tomato, and balsamic reduction.   The steaks, while not Morton's or even Ruths Cris, are great!!!  Better yet, it's less than a mile away.   We usually go there Friday's, but my wife had that Royal Wedding Reception party last night, so we didn't.  I did get holed up in the bedroom and watched a few episodes of Spartacus Blood and Sand with my step-daughter's boyfriend.  It was cool.  

Scott...

Looking for Rustlers... 
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Hey Ivan,

I don't remember if you wrote about it, but which version of the Rustler did you get? Just wondering... there are a few and it's confusing... want to stay away from the nitro version though... Nevermind.. VXL.. right in the title... LOL!

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Scott, the tires are soft rubber. They are CA glued to the plastic wheels. There is a soft foam doughnut inside the tire that helps them absorb movement. There is a tiny hole in the rim that lets air in and out that kind of acts like a shock absorber to dampen movements. In all, RC tire technology has come a long way. Back in the day, you would NEVER get enough traction to pull wheelies like that.

I swapped out the stock tires for the Anaconda street tires. The stock knobbies would have been burned up in no time. I got my tires as a wheel tire combo already glued up and ready to rock. I used front offset wheels all the way around for a wider stance in the rear.



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Thanks for the information on the tires, Ivan... good to know.  I was looking around and found some cool cars... From nitro Formula 1 replicas (actually using dual cylinder disk brakes) to my old Jerobee Commando.   Dunno if I can do a car like yours now...  Damn.  I'd love to do it...  It looked like it was a blast!

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Hey... check out this site... this guy has some serious modeling skills.

http://www.bernimodels.com/

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For the life of me I can't get that link to work here! "n" or "y" or "m"... LOL It was a large R/C heli hauling a fish out of the ocean. Crazy!

Dave - I was just thinking to myself "Boy, that thing loses a lot of altitude on those side runs..." when it hit! OUCH Lot's of stuff dangling on the spider arms! I'll be sure to add all those "features" to my version of that jet!

Scott - don't let Ivan sway you!!! Get something with 4 wheel drive. Even the 1/10th scale are small when you're moving at that speed & you lose sight of it pretty quick! Then it gets boring - much more fun tearing up the neighborhood grass, wood chips at the park, the infield dirt, etc. LOL

Ivan - having said that, I still want to try!!! LMAO I had seen vids of the ballooning tires. I forgot I had the pink blucub in the basement 'til I went to get the toys up from the basement. I looked at all the instructions but they never say were/how to put the servos on, where the CG is, etc. I guess I need to do a little more research. I do want to get that flying soon!

I had the Slash out yesterday with the neighbor & his E-Revo. He put a BL motor in there! He used a 1/10the scale set instead of the recommended 1/8th scale so it's a tad under powered. It still goes like crazy. I really need to see about getting the 4 wheel drive version of the Slash.

Gees, 3 days & I got the new swash for the mCP X. What great service (Quantum Hobby in CT) Haven't fixed it yet as the grand kiddies were here for an over nighter. I'm exhausted. Maybe after my nap, now that they're gone... LMAO

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Ivan - got all the electronics running for the blucub! Did you run that motor on 2S or 3S? It seemed pretty good on 2 S (800mAh, 20C) but w/o a prop it's hard to tell.

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2S is perfect for it Chuck.
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Took out my Maxi Swift today, picked it up dirty cheap however is was all beat up. Build Log: http://www.suburbanrcbarnstormers.co...?f=19&amp;t=55


Havnt finished it yet been busy with work.

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