crambell

I would suggest you get into flying foam airplanes.
There are a bunch of us that fly the helicopters that the only problem is
ourselves.
Since you have lots of flying field than fly the planes.

(p.s. I have no affiliation with any company associated in the business)

Robbeach

That is a great bit of advice. Do you treat everyone that has problems or questions you don't seem to be able to answer with cheap shots like that? My simple question was what do the more experienced heli flyiers suggest I would buy next as I cannot seem to get the Eagle 50 sorted out. I think that is a simple straight forward question. Your reply was a poor attempt at an answer and not having any affiliation with any companies is understandable as a business person would not talk to potential customers like you have. You said the only problem is ourselves and I agree on that one. My main reason for joining this forum was to get information from people, including yourself, with the same passion as me and there has been a lot of useful information to date. I might reinterate that my passion is helis. You seem to know a fair bit about flying foam airplanes but I am not going to bother to ask for any information of you because I am not interested in your foam airplanes. For your information, my property is densely populated by trees. (pine tree plantation)

Thanks Kolls,
I will check out what those numbers mean. You are probably right about not having enough head speed. Would anything have to be changed if I tried the Esky 370 brushed eg. diodes etc.? The reason Iam asking about the Esky motors is that my son has a king 2 and a trex 500. He does not use the king 2 very much anymore. He could send me the motor if it was compatible with the Eagle 50.
Chris

that is the question i have been asking i cant find any info on the eagle 50 motor. if the last number is kv/rpm on the rk-370sd-4045 then if you go here http://www.readyheli.com/Online_Head...ator_s/81.html and figure it. the motor should work with the right pinion. i would really like to see someone give us info about the motors. i mean im with you i burnt up 2 motors , i havent crashed it just the motor quits working and with the motor being 11.70 plus almost 10 bucks for shipping. and i have to wait a week to get them. and i just want to go to the lhs and buy a motor.

Kolls,
I have been on a lot of forums trying to find out information on motors and haven't come up with anything so far. All I am trying to achieve is to get my Eagle 50 flying and somewhat reliable. It seems that the motors that are supplied have a problem and no-one is really addressing the issue as far as I can see. Andy has been great in sending me a new motor, but will it burn out to? I bought the eagle as a progession to 6 channel helis but haven't been able to achieve much air time. I have also got issues with the receivers it seems. I have now had 2 and they have both died. Channel 3 does'nt seem to be working on either of them. My simple question is was it a coincidence or am I doing something wrong? Now I have been told to go and buy foam planes.

Consider installing an in-line fuse for your motor. I've done this on my Eagle 50, HBFP, and on several Lamas. Simply solder in a 5Amp automotive mini blade-type fuse. I bend the metal tabs & clip off the excessive length & just clip the hot wire on the motor & solder in the fuse. It not only protects the motor, but also your 4 in 1.

thanks for the tip. As soon as I get a new receiver I will try the fuse. Sounds like a simple remedy for protecting the receiver and motor. What do you think has caused these burnt outs? I am using the supplied lipo 800mah batteries. Could they be to much for the motor and receiver?

I dont have an answer for anyones questions unfortunately. I am curious to know what size and type of Brushless motor and ESC combo would work for the Eagle 50. Xheli just souped up their brushless motors and ESC page. Will anything from here work [link]http://www.xheli.com/exrcbrmose.html[/link]

yadak123,

Received the 370 motor today. Thankyou very much. Now I am just waiting for the receiver I ordered and hopefully I will be back flying.

Chris

Crambell,
I certainly hope the new parts do if for you. I got my eagle about the same time you did, and have had my share of motor problems as well. When I got my third one it was dead out of the box. I am in the process of putting a small outrunner brushless motor in mine. If you like, I will let you know how it turns out. I have got the motor installed with the ESC and so far it looks promising. The ESC mounted above the receiver has fixed the aft CG problem. I just waiting for some smaller pinion gears to get the head speed down closer to the stock speed. Have you had any tail motor problems yet? I'm on my second with a third one in reserve. I did stumble on a neat mod for the tail motor in a magazine. It converts the tail to a direct drive propeller. I have checked and you can get the motor and 2 props for $10 US.

hdhg1,
It will be interesting to see how your modifications turn out. I am on my second tail motor. Could you post me a bit more information on the tail motor setup, it sounds like you have all but sorted this heli out. I am still waiting for my receiver. Has yours been any trouble? I have had 2 to date. Second one was dead on arrival. I know what you mean with these motors etc. arriving in the post and not working. I was beginning to think that I was doing something wrong. I am lucky my son is a heli nut as well and he lent me his honeybee king 2. Its been good to get some hover time. I still want to sort this eagle 50 out though as I did enjoy flying it when everything was operational. So far I have only had about an hour of flying time with it. Keep me posted as to how your upgrade goes.

i would like to see also if a brushless would work. i only get a few flights out of the heli before the motor burns up. does anybody know if this would work http://www.ehirobo.com/shop/product_...oducts_id=4040.

Crambell and Kolls, I'll be happy to keep you guys up to date on my progress. So far the motor I am trying is of the outrunner type. I got it installed O.K. but with a 11 tooth pinion gear, the head speed was way too fast. I have got a 8,9 and 10 tooth pinions coming and one of those should slow it down to a more reasonable speed. I don't know if you guys are interested but have found cnc machined parts for the rotor head. Check out cnchelicopter.com, walkera22e page. Just be for warned, the ball links were a little to large of the eagle links. They bound up so bad that the servos would not center correctly. I removed each ball chucked it up in a drill and sanded about .003" off them. That fixed the problem. Afterwards I have discovered that there are, and I not joking, link stretchers available. These tools are used to reshape the ball link sockets which can get damaged during removal and installation. I don't know if that would work too. It took me about two and half hours to polish all the balls.
Anyway, happy flying, and I'll keep you posted.

Kolls, I just checked out your link. That setup is similar to the setup I have put together. The motor I got does have a fan attached which hopefully will help in cooling. Be advised though, you will need to build a harness to connect the battery, receiver and ESC together. The connectors are readily available so that should not be a problem.

Hey Guys,
Forget what I said about the cnchelicopter.com head parts. They are JUNK! At first I thought my head shake problem was cause by a bend main shaft. I just replaced it and I still had the problem. Upon further investigation, I discovered that the teter toter does not have bearings in it. It is just pined. I replaced it with the stock part and am still having problems. diging a little deeper I have also discovered that the main hub and blade grips are of low quality. One side is not seated as far in as the other and when trying to adjust it, i have found that it binds if the screw is tightened to much. The stock part did not do that. Anyway, I going to see if I can get my money back on these parts.

Sorry for the bad info, just goes to prove, looks aren't everything.

hdhg1:

Well unfortunately you got one of the two types of metal head setups that suck... I can't say where I posted
my experience of the two types that are on the market.. but the info is there.
Most of these questions have been answered before as the Eagle 50 is a direct clone of the
Walkera 22e and the guys that have been flying that model have modified and hacked them
to death. AS ALWAYS many of these questions can be found out at the thread
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_37..._1/key_/tm.htm
which is the same bird we fly... these guys have seen it all.
YES it takes time to read through 450+ pages of info.. you can search
with google and this systems search functions...
But the point is the information is there, or shall I say here.
This place... RCUniverse.com is awesome.
Can you all imagine the learning curve before the internet to try and fly these birds ???

I just started flying in November 2007... I didn't even know which heli to buy...
I ordered the Falcon 40... but sent it back and got the Eagle 50 because I knew
with experience and practice I would want more.
Well I am there.
I started with two 4x8 pieces of plywood on the ground (8x8) bounced all around...
Read with a passion RADDS School of Flight (but didn't follow to the T)
Got a half decent flight simulator... practice practice pratice...
and I am almost close to fly out back in hammer heads.
Oh I can do figure 8's... but my goal was to fly out... hammer head in and back.
and then... well it's on from there.

Got problems with you electronics... well read my threads and you probably hear it all.

Crambell:
Well dude... sorry to harsh you out. But I have seen it not all but most with the electronics.
I will state, and will repeat... these are not so much as "cheap" but inexpensive electronics...
and as such... well... sometimes it sucks until it gets worked out.
The motors will burn out and YOU WILL replace them frequently. If you fly model rockets the
motors, well, gone that flight. Try flying a model rocket for 8 minutes and you will blow $50 bucks.
Now of course you can go brushless... and of course you can drop $400-$1000.... for a heli
with more sophisticated electronics and motors and batteries and chargers...

In some of my prior posts I have warned people that this is a commitment... It is a hobby that
takes a lot of patience and dedication... but that's up to you.

One can read in every forum on this site... the same frustrations over and over...
that being.... "I can't fly... it's sitting on the shelf... I just built a new shelf to put the heli
on I can't fly..."

HELICOPTERS ARE NOT EASY TO FLY... THEY ARE NOT EASY TO MAINTAIN.
Just ask the United States Government Military....
For us we are just talking "toys" here.

But I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you work out your frustrations with electronics... and don't crash too much...
When I first started participating on RCUNIVERSE.COM a fellow of jtspin gave me encouragement
and told me to stick with it if I had the love of it... and man... all I want to do is fly everyday.
And thats what I do.

RobBeach,

Your comments certainly didn't concern me. My concern was to maybe get some advice from fellow Eagle 50 owners and I have had SOME great tips. I realise that the electics on these helis are inexpensive but the receiver costs about $50.00. I ordered one about 3 weeks ago and still haven't got it. My gripe was the replacement receiver that Andy sent me ( at no cost to me ) was dead out of the packet, so I wasn't any better off than originally. I too fly every morning and afternoon, can't get enough of it. I have been lucky enough to get a lend of my son's Honeybee King 2. I understand what you are saying about dedication and patience as my son has been involved with helis for about 12 months and he was responsible for getting me into this hobby. All I want to do is get my Eagle 50 operational and to date haven't had much success. Have you had any problems with these receivers? Am I doing something wrong? What is the sequence for the connections to the receiver? Can they burn out when the motor burns out? AZheli puts an inline fuse on his.

Regards
Chris

Hey guys,
I have just got an email from an electronics firm that was checking my 4 in 1 receivers. They said that they checked out OK. They suggested I would have a problem with my transmitter. Has anyone had any problems with their Tx? When I turn on the Tx and plug in the battery and go to spool up, the tail motor starts spinning but nothing happens with the main blades. I have the throttle trim on the lowest setting. The aileron and elevator servos work but I don't seem to be getting any response when I move the throttle stick on the Tx. Could it be a servo problem?!?

Regards
Chris

Crambell,
I had a similar situation. I thought it was a receiver when it turned out to be a main motor. Even when I got a replacement it didn't work. It turns out it was DOA. If you got pitch and roll response I would suspect the main motor. Put a voltmeter on the terminals and check it out. Unplug the tail motor first though, then check the pitch and roll response. If they are working and the voltmeter goes from zero to 10 or 11 volts, then its the motor.
And FYI, the outrunner motor that I installed is working great. With its integral fan it does not overheat. Granted it is probably a little bigger than needed, but with a 8 tooth pinion gear it seems to work fine. The only thing is that with the battery location being what it is, you have to be careful that it doesn't touch the motor since the outer shell on a outrunner spins. I have flown it for a complete battery and the main motor is only warm to the touch, whereas the tail motor, even with a heat sink is almost too hot to touch. The next thing I'm going to try is the direct drive tail rotor. It uses a smaller prop pressed directly to the motor shaft. The reviews I read are favorable to this mod and it appears the motor is a little more robust.
In regards to the head parts I got from cnchelicopter.com,the owner, whose name is Jeff appears to be very helpful in fixing the problem. I have sent him back the defective parts and we will see what happens. More to come.
Anyway Crambell, good luck and keep flying. By the way, I just kicked off the training wheels on my eagle and so far so good.

HI,
Test the main motor independently with a battery and see if the motor still works.

Andy

Hey Andy,

Thanks for the advice. I tried what you said and the motor works fine. There must be a process of elimination with these helis. The motor is OK and the receiver is OK, could a faulty servo be the cause of the problem.
Well done hdhg1 in removing your training gear. Thank you for your input also, hopefully I will get to the cause of this problem soon and get my eagle in the air.

also you can try this. plug the tail motor into the main motor port on the receiver. If trottle up and tail motor spin that means your receiver is good.

Andy

i'm also a newbie to 6 chanls. i've got the eagle 50 and i'm not yet hovering. just hopping. is there anything else i can do to dumb down the heli , besides pit and plt while i'm learning. i've been reading you guys' advice and have the heli set up pretty good , i think, it's just touchy for my skill level. any advice?