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Old 06-14-2005 | 01:21 AM
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Default Both 450 FPS and 60 C CPU temp too much!

Just got this computer put together and APDex installed. The problem is too much CPU heat and too many FPS.
Using the trainer40 with desert scenery the flight info is showing between 424-550 fps! Looks great but I'm not happy with CPU temps of 60C-140F.
The system is ASUS P4P800E mobo, Intel P4 3.2GHz HTT, ATI Radeon 5800 Pro 128 MHz in the AGP slot, 4 512 stick of DDM RAM in a server sized Atop Z-Alien case (2 80 mm intake 1 120 mm exhaust fans) 500 W PSU. Got additional fans on order to plug in to mobo controllers (Won't see them here till late July) Existing constant spd fans, other than stock Intel heatsink/fan, do not lend themselves to attachment other than to PSU plugs.

Quick review of manual and cann"t find anything less demanding to fly. I'm hesitant to run the program too much with those temps. Suggestions??

The mobo board has Open GL but not sure how to verify its operation (transfering load to the VGA processor.)

Old 06-14-2005 | 06:54 AM
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Default RE: Both 450 FPS and 60 C CPU temp too much!

Mike your question will prolly be better addressed in a high end gaming forum like for HL or something. The gamers have much more knowledge when it comes to these new high computers that have heat issues. I'm not trying to shoo you off and maybe you'll get a good answer here, but you'll get faster response from elsewhere.

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Old 06-14-2005 | 07:26 AM
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some of your #'s dont make a lot of sence to me like a 5800 is a Nvidia card a ATI card would be a 9800 I myself run a P4c-800E delux and a ati 9800 I hade the same issues with heat playing Far cry one thing that helped was a aftermarket cooler for the both the cpu and the video card the zallman cooler or the thermaltake cooler work well check with overclockers.com for advice and a good place to purchase them is newegg.com I myself have ussed these products
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118115
one of these would work on a nvidia 5800:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185113
I went to a more exotic cooling system a hydrocool 200 ex:
http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/hy...ocool200ex.htm
with this beast my cpu wont get over 90 F or 31 C
you should use a good thermal compound like artic silver
the northwood prossesor wont start Throttling till about 75 c and full Throttling at 80 c
so running at 60 c i consider on the outer edges of the norm 50 c under load is more the norm
good luck
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Default RE: Both 450 FPS and 60 C CPU temp too much!

As he said ATI Radeon i think it is a typo and should be 8500 not 5800.

Anyway i agree with bluemagic you need to get a decent aftermarket CPU heatsink and fan.

The Graphics card should be ok with its own cooler unless it is real crappy.

You may also find having two input fans and only one out that the air flow is messed up, you should be expelling more than you are sucking in (the two 80's are possibly shifting more air than the 120) hence build up of air temp that can not get out.

You can always try disconnecting one of the inputs and see if you get better flow. Round IDE cables and tidying power cable routes can also help by reducing the obstruction to airflow.
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Default RE: Both 450 FPS and 60 C CPU temp too much!

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some of your #'s dont make a lot of sence to me like a 5800 is a Nvidia card a ATI card would be a 9800
Yes it is a typo should be ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MHz. Removed the wax on heatsink, lapped out fine milling circles progressively 500 to 1500 grit, (then some tooth paste); followed Arctic Silver's Cermanic instructs. Have round cables for both floppy and discs drives (2) in shopping cart. Will check out items mentioned Newegg. Currently looking at Arctic Cooling Freezer4 for cpu and their AVC-AT 1 Rev.2 for the video card.

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You may also find having two input fans and only one out that the air flow is messed up, you should be expelling more than you are sucking in (the two 80's are possibly shifting more air than the 120) hence build up of air temp that can not get out.
I thought about that also. The case has two side screen vents in window. A flame beside it indicates a suction into case. It seems that the outlets (120mm and the PSU fan are responsible for the suction.)

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better addressed in a high end gaming forum like for HL or something.
I'm not a gamer, never had the time. As close as I have come are MS Flight Sims over the years and now AeroFlyPro deluxe for my new hobby. Hopefully this thread may assist non-gamers in selection and use of AFPD. Basis for the post here was to find out if there were any settings or tricks/tips to make the program LESS demanding on VGA card. Also based on manual comments the FPS seemed unrealistic compared to the FPS rates mentioned. optimal match with 60 or more FPS. Also wanted to verify that 60 FPS was not a misprint.

The graphics and color are outstanding using 1024 x 768 and 32 bit color on older HP M70 monitor. Built this computer primarily with specs to assure it would handle AeroFly Pro Deluxe at optimum for all models and scenery... Now to control the temp.




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Default RE: Both 450 FPS and 60 C CPU temp too much!

well I do run a high end gamming forums/Clan and I can probaly help you here as we deal with this on a regualr basis



for your temps how are you monitoring it most apps are way off ( up to as much as 15c + or - ) is your app reading the diode in the CPU or using the MB temp sensor becasue that will report higher temps too

as for your fan setup with out knowing the CFM of the fans at 12v it will be hard to say if you are running positive or negitive case pressure positive is good to keep the dust out but make the CPU/GPU run hotter in most cases

negitive will make the dust come in from every crack in the case but the CPU/GPU will be running cooler in most setups (but not always)

if you dont know the CFM of your setup I would get a fan bus and then lower the intake voltage to lower the CFM intake and see if that helps

also Case wiring is also a concern I spent a fair ammount of time routing wires around out side the air flow path in my case and wraping the ones that had to pass throught he air flow path in wire loom to help clean it up

like this

http://img300.echo.cx/img300/4467/case1233ud.jpg


also you may wan to consider a better cooling solution then the stock cooler I run the zalman 92mm fan cooler system does a really good job (never go over 10c above room temp) and its wisper quite at full speed

here is a link

http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/...x=141&code=005

if you need more help come see us at our tech talk section on our forums http://www.fbiclan.com (No RC related talk here so no compitition to RCU so please dont remove the link)

sould this be removed then just use RCU to email me and I will give ya the link
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Default RE: Both 450 FPS and 60 C CPU temp too much!

If you get a 3rd party CPU Cooler (Those Zalman ones mentioned are great) You also may want to get a good thermal compound to go between the CPU and the Fan. I've had good luck with the Artic Silver thermal compound. The thermal compound is what helps transfer the heat from the cpu to the heat sink and can easily drop another 2-3 degrees celsius off your CPU temp. I consider it cheap insurance in helping keep systems cool.

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