I found an FMS model of the aero ace and thought you all might be interested. I skimmed through the pages of this forum and didn't see any reference to it so here it is.

http://www.flyerwires.com/AeroAce1.zip

It flies better than the real thing but it's close enough.

For those of you who don't have FMS (Flying Model Simulator) heres's the link

http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html

I use Version 2.0 alpha 8.5 and it works great.
Get a 2 stick game controller for your PC (They may look like a Play Station controller but a Play Station controller won't work)
I'm using a cheap $15.00 controller on my laptop and a Logitech Cordless RumblePad on my desktop.

This should help with AA withdrawal this winter.
Happy Flying

"Talk is cheap, It's only when you try my ideas that it gets expensive."
Red Green

elctronron, I downloaded the program and will see about the controller shortly. I did not think about the time change very seriously, but sunset at 1700 or sooner bites. I guess my night flyer will be getting some workouts.

If anyone is interested, I flew my nightflyer with DJstingers lights last night in the fog. The heavy stuff was at about 100', but there was vapor in the air. The lights made it possible to fly, and they are bright enough that you could see the cones of light in the vapor. They are an order of magnitude better than the aa mods lights, if aa mods still exists, they will probably be buying these lights and copying them. I did have a different outcome last night. I managed to somehow lose a propellor. No idea how, but I had a nightflyer sans a prop. I tried to flip a right prop over to make it a left. It doesn't work that way.

Tim

TRUE STORY- I was flying my B ch. mono wing Aero Ace at a local school playground on July 15 when it got too high and went out of range. I chased it until it was caught by a big ol' Georgia pine- about 75' above the ground. I could see it, but no way I could get it down, so I figured I'd just write this one off. After all, I still had six more at home-(picked up while Target had their $17.48 twofer specials this Summer). Anyway, I was passing by the school today, and decided to stop and check to see if the little guy was still in the tree. Nope, it was gone, so I got brave and decided to make a long hike through some very thick, snakey undergrowth to see if, by chance, it had fallen to the ground. Well, guess what- I found it lying on the ground not far from the base of the tree. It was partially covered by leaves, and when I cleaned it off I could see that a large chunk of foam was missing from the side of the fuselage, and the receiver/charger module was hanging out of the plane. There appeared to be some teeth marks on the fuse, so I presume a critter (dog, racoon,...) took a few nibbles, and then moved on. I took the plane home, thinking I would give it a decent burial after all it had been through. But, since it was still fairly clean, I figured I'd hook it up to the charger just to see what would happen. Now, remember- this receiver had been "on" for 3-1/2 months, and had been rained on several times. Unbelievably, the green charger light came on and stayed on for six minutes! I ran the motors for about four minutes (they worked fine!), and then charged it again. This time it took a ten minute drink, and then seemed to run on forever. SIMPLY AMAZING.

I picked up some cheap paint from Walmarts to finish detailing my
AA Stalker. The paint covers good but you might need a couple
coats for some colors to finish. The tail fins are plate foam and
needed three coats of black to finish.
First the model was brush painted silver and then etched with a fine
point black marker. This makes it easier to keep the other colored
paints within the lines.
The brand names are FolfArt Acrylic and Apple Barrel Acrylic. The
Apple Barrel blue was 44 cents for a 2oz bottle.
The weight added from the paint was about 0.5 grams.

Wow Neurotex !!!

That's AWESOME... Great Job Amigo !!!

nice work as always, Neurotex if thats a paint job, you did a steller job on it...it looks like printed tissue!

nice to know that the paint only adds a half gram. doing printed tissue can be kinda time consuming, and the weight is actually relatively high if using standard domestic tissue and heavy adhesive. i might just have to give my hand at painting at some point.

nick

Thanks Parky, micro, lightly scoring the painted surface with the marker
helps a great deal, the paint stays away from the scoring and makes
stripes easier to manage.

I made this wing last night from the 1.13mm plate foam from Walmarts.
It's for the twin boom Sea Vixen and has a 12" wingspan and 3.2" chord.
The airfoil is 11mm thick at the root and I got the weight down to 4.1 grams.

Much closer to where a 14" x 2.5" wing could be made for stock AA's giving
you more lift.

Looks outstanding nuero, and reminds me that just getting a plane to fly may not be an end in itself.

Have we taken the jet into our thread? It is an aa. The spinmaster jet thread gets few postings. I broke down and bought another jet and am trying to figure out a way to make it turn quickly. My last foray into jets showed me that the cg needed to move forward. Recent postings are recommending a single tail fin. Here is my question if I wrap a penny(2.5g) in tape and put it in the battery box, do you think this will move the cg adequately? Tim

Micro, I was rereading someold posts. In one you mentioned that the frame rate was faster if you bridged all of the channel pads. I know that a rx cofigured that way responds on channel a. Did you find out anymore info on that? I haven't a clue on how to capture frame rates. Tim

Tim,
i'm still not 100% sure on the bridging of all the channel pads. at one point, folks said it was worth trying, and then at another point, folks said dont do it. i dont know what would happen if one were to try it, if anything at all, but i'm down to just a couple RXs left, so i'm too paranoid to try it myself

as for the penny on the nose of the Jet, i've done that with mine and it works well, but i also have removed weight from the tail end so i'm not sure on that either (lot of help i am today!). it wouldnt be hard to try it out though, there isnt much room for shifting the CG, as the lipo is tucked into the nose and the RX is up front too. removing weight from the tail seems to be the best way to go. as for helping the turns, one thing i've thought about trying is to remove the foam thats directly behind the props. i can only imagine the amount of lost thrust that the foam produces from being right in the prop wash.

nick

I tried it by accident once, the bridging of all channels, and it seemed to respond better at the table. I didn't fly it though. It does respond on channel a. I posted it, but in the middle of what?

All of my birds are grumpy now. I have talked to a local that does work for c crane, and he thinks that installing the mosfets would be no big deal. An advantage to living in a very small town. But I have not spoken to him since friday. I guess I'll see what happens. I am going to ask him if it is possible to modularize the rx after the mosfets are installed. If we can do that, then I should be able to switch out motors and batteries. That is a goal. I'll let you know how that works out. If we can accomplish the modular rx, would anyone else want to try it? I don't know about the resistor/mosfets(those came from megabyte) but I'll ask my guy about them. See if he can do them if Tony is to busy with other stuff. Tim

Thanks Ferndale, yeah the single tail fin mounted center helps for
tighter turns. Doesn't take much either.
As for nose weight, it seems every jet is different. I've bought three
and this last one doesn't need any nose weight at all while the first
jet I bought was very tail heavy.
I can't explain why a massed produced product has so many variations
in flight characteristics.
The only thing to do is just try small amounts of weight until the plane
flys the way you want it to.

Hi all, I decided that since the jet is an aa, albeit one designed by spinmaster, I'll post on this forum. But I just realized that I fast reply rather than reply. More in a minute. Tim

Hi, I'm back, OK my observations were that the jet was incredibly tail heavy, and essentially a flying wing. Initially I pulled the twin tails and put one of them in the center of the plane. I do not have a pic of that, but if someone wants one I can make that happen. It would be a pic of a free flight though. I then measured the stabs, and cut a piece of 1mm depron plate to match, cut a slit in the airframe and flew it. The larger single rudder helped immesely(SP?). But the plane continued to act like a flying wing. I then cut the connective foam between the wings and the stabilizers. The climb ratio was cut some and the turn ratio was a little better. The entire time I'm doing this flight observation the plane is visibly tail heavy, and can't seem to get the nose even down to 10 degrees up altitude. My latest mod, which I may not be able to fly until saturday, is pictured. I can't wait to see if the plane flies. Tim

Feel free to tell me I'm nutters. Tim

hey guys

im selling one of my futaba skysport radios i never used
it comes with a 4 ch receiver and 3 micro servos
nib!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/FUTABA-SKYSPORT-...em230045325454

sorry to spam i just need to sell this to get my sl

monster, what is the weight? I'm guessing, from the comments, that micro stuff is not an option. Is this a true assumption? Tim

?
do you mean the shipping weight or the micro reciever and servo's?

Sorry, flight weight. Can I hang it on a 20 g plane. Tim

And no comment on the jet? Tim

the jet looks good

im not sure
this setup is more for plane weight in ounces

like hydrofoam size

Dj, where can I find a bridge connector? I lost one tonight. Tim

Ok thanks. good luck monster. Tim

Looks good so far Ferndale. If it's still tail heavy cut down the
mass of the rudder by half and use 1.5mm foam or thinner.
Also the stabs can be made with the thinner foam. If it's still
tail heavy add the weight to the nose and install some elevator
flaps to the tail.

FERN , USE A HARD DRIVE JUMPER. I BOUGHT A SINGLEWING LAST NIGHT AT TRU CAN'T WAIT TO FLY IT. AA ARE $24.99 , SL $69.99 ALSO.

thanks FERNDALE

Neuro, I think the difference between the mass production models is that some have more body bend. the one I have to try and hunt down was straight, it flew well but had the tail heavy I won't turn. A couple of other ones I have purchased were bowed up. That produced a natural inclination to swoop.

Neuro, Micro, Ayrton, Mcneil, and any other modellers I've missed, With no weight in the tail the jet, as pictured above, is way to nose heavy. I'm down to 1.7g in the tail but my flight is still odd,(at 2.5g it hovered about at a 45 degree angle. kinda cool but not my goal), I' wondering about putting down pitch on the stabs like an F-4 the wings pitch high. Any thoughts?

My instinct is to cut a third of the main wing off, and give it a more horizontal wing.

Tim