Jer,

Look closely at the Belt CP, how the mainframe is set up. The HBKII frames are based on the ole plastic/carbon mixture and are inject moulded. The Belt CP's frame has the characteristics of the 400 sized heli's. Plus, we all know by the HBKII....the rest of it is pretty reliable too. Just thinking out loud here.

the Esky Belt CP looks good, especially after reading a review the parts are interchangeable with a TREX 450....

here's the link: http://www.electric-rc-helicopter.co...ct/belt-cp.php

tempting.... I'd be interested in how the quality of parts stacks up. Esky definately leads the market in inexpensive replacement parts, but sometimes at the expense of quality... One thing I noticed about the HBK2 compared to the TREX 450 SE was the difference in quality of parts and design. So far, I've been very happy with Align products.

However, in the middle of my current build (TREX 450SA) I've notice a huge difference in quality. Sure, I expected some differences (because we all know you get what you pay for) and at only $199 there has to be some disadvantages. Seems I've found some. I'm only in the swashplate leveling phase of the build and already have 2 busted parts. The first being the landing skid, it was a minor break and able to be CA'ed back together. The second, a very disappointing swashplate. While snapping the control links to the swashplate to check for level, a piece of plastic broke off. Interesting point here, the swashplate from my 450S is still perfectly fine after several crashes... from 17 story falls to failed loop attempts. Good thing I have good supply of salvaged parts!

on the plus side, the wind has finally died down! Some relief with the southern CA Firestorm.....
and a chance for some outside flying!

Here's take 2 with the helmet cam, this time TREX 450SE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppk7fbdm7p8

Lookyj, That was awesome...! Man I get nervous watching, even my palms a little moist...Just cause it's a flight with someone I know I guess..! You sure make it look easy. It will be awhile before I'll be able to do anything like that, especially in that tight of an area by your house.... It's just gonna be hoverin' for me for awhile...But I love still doing it...especially coming from a Trex also I guess...Interesting with your current build on the weak swash and skid thing...Keep us informed what you would think a few necessary replacements would be possibly in those areas...I'll put a few cnc parts to help strengthen I suppose. The helmet cam is perfect for you. Keep the vids coming..! I'am like a puppy waiting for treats with those !! I like your Mini-T jumps over the Honda Civic...!...Lol... You nut ! Never a dull moment with our Lookyj....! When you get with what it sounds like the 450 SA your building (your own...Lol..) shoot a video...I want to see the same as mine in flight...But nothing fancy, I'am thrilled with simple ! Take care bud, Jeff

I read the review. All it did was confirm my suspicions that it is well worth looking at and maybe a good alternative as the next step. Thanks for the link!!!!It's appreciated. Your flight vid....LOL....I'll bet your neighbors hate your guts. I'm watching Dave "choppersrule" with his LOGO 10. I looked at a .35 nitro heli this summer with option to purchase...the Logo 10 is nearly as big as the .35, and I declined the purchase of the nitro...I'm not ready for that headache. It appears as though you're progressing nicely as a pilot...I remember the CP-Pro vids you shot. Doing good Jer....keep it up eh?

[8D]
J L : you have gone SO FAR AHEAD of my level of flying that it is hard to even comprehend. Here I am, a doddering OLE PHOOL, practicing on a CX-2 to achieve a flight that conforms to SCALE, and not getting "acceptable" results. Here I am, an ANCIENT PHARTT, still hovering a CP-PRO with training wheels inside the garage. Well, the winds outside are steady at +20 with gusts to 40, so I don't even
dare to open the garage door. Please OBSERVE the hovering of the PRO and "notice" that every now and then, the heli dips a bit, (loses a couple of inches of altitude) with the smalles reduction on the left hand stick ??? does that have to do with PITCH ? .... I have read about something like that happening, what causes it ?
Had a day off (forced by my garage door breaking and waiting for a repair man to come ! ) so got some time with the PRO......
tell me what you think, if you notice what I wrote about , willya ?

GREAT GREAT SUPERB INCREDIBLE FLYING......you ARE my Un-Achievable pinnacle, but flying like THAT is what I hope to do, sometime. That's ALL...... RICK ......

LINK TO YOUTUBE follows:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS9ffnRPwDw


[>:][X(] .......now that you have seen my PUNY EFFORTS, could you "detect" the dips, or slight LOSS OF LIFT ?.........[:'(] (just how I feel ! )

Rick, the flying was great, I hope it was OK at the end there. I would say that it is flying the way a Blade flies in the ground effect wind. You have even more turbulence with the wind bouncing off of everything in the garage. The times that I saw losses of altitude it seemed that your swash plate was dipped to one side or the other and the heli dropped. Seemed normal, and great flying for a confined space!

God Bless Ya Rick!

Jay

I think Jay has got it pegged Rick. In such an enclosed area like your garage, there is turbulence acting on the heli from above & ground effect from below. Makes it hard. You can check the pitch if you have a gauge. I seem to remember doing it myself but I may have just though I did. That was some great hovering for the CPP in a tight area.

Jim

I too watched the video. What he's asking is what causes it to drop so fast and he's wondering why the heli over-reacts to stick input. Remember, this guy wants plain scale flight and that video is anything but boring...it's a nightmare. I'm suprised he could keep it airborne at all. I suggest his pitch is too shallow and his head speed is WAY to high. I recommend he add 1 turn of pitch and add 1 more weight to each side the flybar to calm this beast down, and he may have a more enjoyable hover experience. My opinion.

Barrick: That was wonderful...! Nobody who has hovered a CPP wouldn't fully understand how much of an accomplishment it is to even be as far as what you just showed us all. You have the same tight space I too have the challenges with...The heli to me seems almost identical to how mine reacts. It's surely a stubborn little beast to tame to say the least...All the more I will always will keep mine, and continue with the long road ahead in a slow learning curve for myself..It's more of a personal thing with the heli now...Lol.... Please keep the videos coming as well...As you might not think your progressing, but in reality, you always are...I'am right along with ya on the slow road...There's no way I could even compete with say, are dear friend Lookyj ! I wonder if I'll ever get out of the hover-mode....But I will, and so will you..Are determination, and confidence, along with the wonderful help of our BOB's will lead to our success, without a doubt... Have a wonderful evening Mr. Rick, and keep up the good work.... Jeff

Rick,

I agree with Jim, Jay, and Jeff..... I guess the J's have it, the vid of your CP Pro seems quite normal giving the flying conditions. As Jay said, I think it was great flying given a garage hover. In fact, looking back at my vid of the Blade CP garage hover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFWjkODC7_0 The flight characteristics are almost identical!

See Ol' buddy, you can fly like me! [sm=thumbup.gif]
and I'm sure before long, you'll have a vid uploaded of your heli zipping around the skies....


Crash,

Let me know if there is anything I can do with regards to the forum! Have them read a few pages of this thread, and I'm sure they can figure out your just another heli addict helping a brother out.... however, if they still can't figure that out I'd be more then willing to write a few words on your behalf!


and finally, another flight with the helmet cam..... this time with a special guest appearance!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQyny9Hf5YA

Geez, I've got to leave for the airport in 6 hours, and your not helping Lookyj with these videos...! My hands got moist again..Lol.... I guess I'am worried for ya to not wreck it I suppose....I just got done before I came here to the forum, of a guy flying a TREX 600...I'am sure ya seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8t41avFuCc But It seems ya got competition out there ! I see you doing that in 1 year or less ! The real scale heli was cool... Scared of a little rotor wash from that beast ?! You could have joined him for a minute, and become his wingman. I bet you were thinkin' it...Seems your always eager for an adventure...! (Kidding)..Lol... I can watch your guys vids all day long. The helmet cam is to awesome for ya Lookyj. I bet you love that thing now...I wish you had it for the L.A. nightime adventure, it would have been awesome to see the heli flying with the nightlights as a backdrop...Alright have a good one, Thanks for posting the vid..... Jeff

hey - i get that same 'loss of lift', even outside - mainly due to the added weight of the training gear - almost like it stalls out and just falls - getting the gear off will help, but you can still break a skid pole or two with a drop like that

i finally got superskids and they help a lot with the skid pole breakage (or the whole battery compartment and skids falling out or staying on the ground lol), but they are as heavy as the training gear and you stall like that every now and then, but with no damage

what's with the antenna wire hanging down like that - you're gonna chop it if you're not careful - i keep mine wound around the skid - suppose you could tie a brick to it as a teather


edge

anyone else notice they deleted the first 50 pages of this thread?

Arrow's first post is there, but they deleted the next 50 pages..... I wonder how much valuable info has been erased?!??!

I just noticed that too, Jer. Maybe the thread got too large for the forum to handle? Either that or some ego's around here are showing their "powers". I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.[>:]

What's going on to Crash is ridiculous. What do they want, money from him so he would be a sponsorer? I notice they let people from all different areas talk about they're products and have even product support. You'll have that I guess. I've had posts deleted, told in private messages by moderators that I can have " God " in my signature, watched as threads had individual posts deleted because they said something bad about the product. My guess is that RCU originates in Northern Korea, not here in the USA, you know, the whole freedom of speech thing.

Good-Luck Crash, I'm pullin' for ya, we're all in this together. Keep your stick on the ice.

God Bless Ya,

Jay

Jay, this is a forum that is owned by someone and monitored by someone. It's their game and they make the rules...that's life. They may terminate my account, but they cannot force me to register as commercial, as I am not. I make one little part to help guys out and get them a stronger and longer lasting part...at cost for material/shipping (of which I dont do anymore BTW). I have contracted the part to a hobby supplier, I'll let him handle it instead of doing E-Bay or something. This is just life. Someone thought they seen a way to make a buck...that's all. It's all about $$$ ya know.

It also looks as if they are sensoring his posts now. On the main thread page, he was supposedly the last one to post in this thread but it looks as though the post was not "approved".

Give me a break RCU. You have one individual who tried to help others in a VERY modest way and you want to sensor him for that? I thought the forums were for SHARING & HELPING each other. There are also SEVERAL other people who actually DO run hobby shop businesses that post on these forums. Why are they not sensored also??!!

funny timing, crash under investigation.... 50 pages of posts are deleted, coincidence? I think not.

I wonder if I'm under suspicion? I once had THOUGHTS of being a merchant

Hey guys.......... I just went back and looked......all the pages are there. I jumped around to page 10 then to page 38 and hopped thru a bunch of pages. No missing posts. Maybe RCU had a glitch on one of thier servers or something.
As far as the crashcrash thing goes, I don't agree with RCU censoring him or removing him from this forum. Crash (Vic ) has a load of valuable info to share and he also has a wicked sense of humor. I see he is online now so maybe all has been settled. I know for a fact that forum rules are there to protect us all from spamming on the boards and for that I am more than grateful. I co-own a MSN group that is (well was) quite popular and it still gets about 10 request a week for people wanting to join. Most of them now are bots and are there just to spam our boards. Luckily we have a good group of managers who can weed out the chaff and keep our boards clean and disease free.
But....... back to Vic's situation. I don't know exactly why they are singling him out but I am guessing that anyone who uses the open forum to quote prices may be suspect in the administraters eyes. We all know crash and his intentions are NOT to make money but just sharing his mod for others to benifit from. I for one will really be dissappointed if they continue to censor or decide to remove his account.
If one of the forum moderaters would care to let us know what boundarys they feel were overstepped then perhaps we can all benifit from that knowledge and refrain from putting ourselves and others in the same situation. That is my opinion and I am standing by it!
Guys....the blinged CP is really giving me issues and until it is flyable, it will not be shown in a public format. Sorry Looky.....heh!
A note to Rick...... buddy, that CP Pro is a wild beast and I agree with the rest of the B.O.B. 's that it is suffering from ground affect and rebounding air from the walls and such. The gift CP you gave me does the same thing in my front room. What I saw was pretty normal enclosed space flight. The CX2 in the beginning of the video makes me proud. That is by far one of the most stable coaxials I have ever had the pleasure of working on. I even called in Jacki to look and see how well those upper blades were tracking........ Nice steady flying my friend! Love ya like a brother........


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Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!

Attention: RCKen of RCU,

As you can see, many of the followers of the WEEEEEEEE...CP thread are very concerned with the harrasment that you are giving member, "Crashcrash". Telling him that you will remove him from RCU. We've all known Crashcrash for a long time and his knowledge base of helicopters is outstanding. All that he is doing, is helping other members, in love with this hobby.

It's ironic that all of a sudden many of our post have disappeard, with your monitoring of this site. There is alot of very good information that has been deleted. One member, has spent several weeks, reading this forum from page one.

Please re-instate ASAP.

I know it can't be because of the size of the thread. The Falcon thread is far larger.

Please take this in to your decision making,

Dave / Choppersrule

PS If you remove Crashcrash from RCU, delete me too. (Choppersrule)

If it comes to it....

http://www.electric-rc-helicopter.co...wforum.php?f=1




Wheeeeeeee..............R/C!!!

I'll be more than happy to comment here on this issue.

First of all. No posts were removed from ANY thread on RCU. The server software for RCU was recently changed from displaying 25 posts per page to 30 posts page. Therefore any existing thread is going to show as having less pages than it did prior to the change. All posts from that thread are still there, but are being displayed in less pages than before because there are now more post per page.

Now the second item.
Crashcrash was never threatened with being removed from RCU, nor was he ever solicited to contribute any monies to RCU in any form or fashion. RCU has a long standing rule that any person that is involved in any form of commercial operation must identify themselves and disclose their affiliation with the commercial entity
When contacted the only thing that we asked of crashcrash was that he comply with this rule and identify himself in his signature line. Whether he was making a profit from his product or not, he was conducting the business of selling them in the forums of RCU. This places him in the category of being a commercial entity in the eyes of RCU and he was asked to identify himself as such. When he refused to comply the administration of RCU placed him on Moderated Status until he complied with the rules of RCU. He has refused to comply with this rule. He was never required or asked to purchase advertising here on RCU. This rule is in place because there are many vendors out there that participate in the forums of RCU and RCU wants the members to know when they are talking to a vendor or commercial entity. This rules has been in place from the start of RCU.

If he were to add his affiliation to his signature line this would end. He doesn't have to purchase any advertising. He doesn't have to pay dues. He doesn't have to give one red cent to RCU. All he has to do is identify himself in his signature line.

And lastly, on the topic of Free Speech. This is from Marc Vigod who owns RCU.

Ken

[sm=72_72.gif] ..............................well, it IS crystal clear to me . And I want to HOPE that we can all continue in the form and manner that we've become accustomed to, since March of 2007 (for me ! )

We have had some BUMPS along the way...... An' I think THAT THIS IS ALL WE SHOULD SAY 'BOUT THAAAAT ...... ( Forrest G. )......

p.s. Without this thread I will go back to being the LONELIEST OLD MAN IN AMERICA

I deleted a few off topic posts and notified the users of such.

The reason they were deleted was because they were not only off the topic of the thread but of model helicopters in general.

So lets move along and keep talking about helicopters, which is why we are here

Thanks!
Andy

RCKen,

I certainly understand the cosolidation of data files and making the page length longer. Also, I want to thank you for clearing this matter up with the members of the RCU Forum and especially the Weeeeee CP thread. I for one, will admit, that I have not read all the disclosures and all of the policies of RCU. I will take the time to read and understand the RCU conditions of membership.

My apologize, for maybe getting somewhat out-of-line, I have a tendency to do that on occasions.

Thanks for your concerns and explanations.


Sincerely,

Dave / Choppersrule