WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am beside myself here !!!!!!!!!!!!
Under $40 for those awsome mount assemblies ?????

INCREDIBLE !!!!!

Thanks Gary !!!!!
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MERRY CHRISTMAS to all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ill be getting me one

In case you are wondering where the post with the Stryker details went, it was removed by an RCUmoderator. The post that was removed was a specific answer to several members questions. It was not intended to be an unsolicted advertisement.

If you have questions about the mount please PM me.

Here are some pictures of the mount on my test-fit fuselage.

Merry Christmas!!!</p>

Hi Gary,

Is this the correct e-mail address to ask you questions regarding the Custom Stryker motor mounts?

I hope I'm remembering it right? Please confirm.



[email protected]


I'm not so good at spelling.


There have been some failed attempts at custom Stryker mounts by others (don’t ask), but yours have surpassed all of our expectations and then some.

You've been good, and have done good....so, I'm sure Santa was good to you too....


Thanks again,

Gryphon

murdnunoc,

Thanks for your post above...I sincerely appreciate it.


I do applaud your research efforts....Hopefully 2010 will have lots of extra modifications and extra Power in store for all of the good readers of this thread.




Gryphon

Gryphon,

Yep, that's the correct e-mail address.

Hi all,

In previous thread (Part 7) we did a live chat (IM=Instant Message= live chat= Live typing) from time to time for those who wanted/needed that.

We can set up a time in PMs if you are interested.

Yahoo Instant messenger was used. Even though it can connect to several other messengers, when doing that a lot of the features cannot be used such as picture sharing or video etc...

Also we can do conference IM (Instant Message) besides separate messages.


If you are interested, have a need, or are uncomfortable posting (you are not alone).....send me a PM.



Here you can get a free Yahoo Instant messenger downloaded:

http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Wow, looks like they are up to version 10.



Gryphon

Gryphon - I've been reading this thread with interest, and have talked to Gary about the new motor mount. You have mentioned the best source for the MEGA motors. Can you point me to the best place to get the ACN16x25x? I am looking for suggestions of best motor for 3S or 4S with CC Ice Lite 100. I also have some 5S packs. Which 16x25x? version and where do you buy? Is the 5 mm shaft version the best option? Where do you get the prop adaptor? Are you a member of the Charlotte area club? Tnx, Louie

louierc,

*** THIS is a copy and paste from info I wrote to someone else....some of your answers can be found in here...and there is extra info in it too.


There are (2) 1.5 turn motors for 16/25/X and 16/35/X.

R,S versions.
Lettering was originally suggested by MEGA motor USA for manufacturer's consideration.
Manufacturer in Europe liked the idea of the lettering but decided that he wanted it backwards than suggested by MEGA Motor USA (USA Distributor).
Distributor was told to correct that on his USA web site.
Ken the distributor said he did that....I told him that no, you have not...he said he has done it on his ordering page.
I said you have not fixed it on the listing of all motors and unless people specifically also add the KV when ordering I see a potential problem when ordering the motor. I encouraged him to fix that other page ASAP...that was a few days ago.

http://www.megamotorusa.com/Brushles...wbrushless.htm
You can see all 1.5 turn motors 16/25/X and 16/35/X still have the letters backwards.
Easy way to remember: “S� means slower KV….LOL…
I hate using the word slower and MEGA in same sentence.

Fact:
16/25/1.5 R 3750KV
16/25/1.5 S 2990KV

***Do not order the 3750KV version unless you are going to run that motor in a Stryker for high speed using "HIGH" AMPs on 3S "ONLY"
If you are getting the 3750KV for different purpose let me know.


***The 2990KV can be run in a Stryker on 3S and 4S but I feel the KV is still a bit high for max speed 4S operations in a Stryker...(perfect for Funjet).
In a Stryker, due to great cooling, running this motor little above 125A should not be an issue.....but for max 4S speed you might need to push 140-150A in order to barely run proper prop size.
However it can run good 4S climbing props.


16/25/2 2650KV has been proven to be a great 3S, 4S motor for Stryker at 130MPH or just above.

The new 16/25/2E has slightly lower KV and I assume that it can be a little better 4S motor. Only 2 came to USA and as of last week, MEGA motor USA still had one on hand.
Any MEGA dealer or person can get that motor from him.


***Best place to order a MEGA motor is New Creations RC in Texas.
That dealer will give slight discount when people mention that they were sent over from the Stryker thread. The special motors are not listed on his web site. So ask to talk to Kirk Massey (the owner) on the phone. He directly answers most of the calls himself anyway.

http://www.newcreations-rc.com/aboutus.aspx

Generally: Motors(or other things) usually cost less from Dealers versus buying directly from a Distributor.

We should include the KV just to make sure that nothing goes wrong during ordering.

Letter "C" means COMBAT shaft which just means 5mm shaft as opposed to regular 3.2mm shaft.
I prefer 5mm shaft since it has 2.4 times the cross sectional area of 3.2mm shaft, therefore it is much much much much harder to get it bent during a mishap.
If you ever bend one, let us know and we will give you a standing ovation.
It'll require a 5mm prop adapter and for you to enlarge your prop's center hole a bit more to allow it to go on thicker prop adapter.
***Note, for smaller APC E props up to & including E 6X5.5 you will need to install a washer in front of prop for its blades to clear the edges of 5mm prop adapter.
Not an issue with Graupner, Aeronaut or APC Sport 6" or more, or APC E 7" or more, all APC Pylon o.k. too.
Owner of APC Prop told me (in person) that adding a washer is totally o.k.


ALL MEGA MOTORs can be ordered in 5mm COMBAT version (use letter C).


Stryker Flyer did an intensive and thorough research on 5mm prop adapters....HINT....


The following can help us come up with recommendations.

Comment on your max level speed desired, including max speed for future (level flight with no wind, no diving).
ALL battery packs on hand being considered needs to be listed in full detail.
Willing to buy new pack?
Willing to run series or parallel packs?
Charger's max number of cells limit?
Willing to get 0.8 o.z. heavier motor (possibly 16/30/2)
Willing to wait to get motor, or does it have to be on shelf right now?
ESC comments will need to wait after the ideal motor and battery has been determined...I assume no High Voltage ESC.

Please send me a PM regarding the Charlotte club.

Gryphon

louierc,

16/25/3 can run 3S-6S in Stryker

16/25/2.5R to be built in January will run 3S-5S in Stryker.


16/30/2 can run 3S-5S



Gryphon

Gryphon - thanks for your suggestions. I'd like to have a small, quick delta just for fun. I would expect to at least get to 100 MPH, but not looking to break any records. I had the following ideas: Start with a new stock C version Stryker. Goal is a balance between speed and vertical - all around configuration, unless it can be changed just by swapping props.

1. Run the stock 3S setup until you can't get any more out of it. Add heatsink to stock motor?
2. Change the ESC to the CC ICE Lite 75 or 100 w/BEC and go to 4S until the stock motor smokes
3. Install a MEGA motor (which one?) on Gary's new mount, add CF rods as described and HS-85MGs

I have TP batteries in 3S, 4S and 5S sizes, and will probably limit things to 75 amps or so. I could use any number of packs including:

3S2600
3S4200
4S3850
2x 4S2600 Extreme V2
4S4600
4S5000
5S3300
5S5000

I would be interested in the MEGA with 5mm "C" shaft, I see the value there. Use an AR6200 receiver. I will only build one plane for fun, like at SEFF, my main interests are elsewhere.
Any guidance you can offer will be appreciated.

Thanks, Louie

louierc,

Yes you can start with a MEGA and make it behave any which way you like with change of a prop.

All of those packs can be run in a Stryker. I assume your 4200 is 15C Prolite for 63A rating....

For 3S-5S operations you can run the following 2 motors.

16/25/3 1700KV
Its max power while on 3S will be 8" prop, closer to your hand during launch.
You can series (2) identical 3S packs for 6S flight if they are not more than 50mm or so placed side by side...other configuration possible.
Capable of 130+MPH on 6S,
well above 120MPH on 5S, possibly 125+ MPH
No need for greater than 75A ESC.

or

16/30/2 2130KV
It can handle more AMPs than above...on 3S-5S (on 5S it can produce more power than above motor on 6S)
Power level and characteristics are VERY tunable with various props....same goes for motor above.
Weights only 0.8 o.z. more and can C.G. better for your heavier packs.
Costs extra $15-$20
For high end speed it can take more advantage of some of your bigger packs.
Capable of 140 MPH speed or little more.
75A ESC will work but I would spend extra $17(same weight & size) on 100A ESC incase I want to see what the motor could really do on top end (would really skip on 75A in favor of 100A ESC). I'm not recommending the 75A ESC, just saying that it could work, but you would be holding yourself back from motor's max capability of going a few AMPs over 100A at some point in future.


You did not answer all of my questions in previous post.

Both motors are GREAT, both are available as 5mm COMBAT shaft.

Pending your needs, you can just do your own build....lots of detail on this thread....Mopar has done a lot of documentation.

You can start with a simple build for low 100 MPH speed and then upgrade airframe later as your speed desires change or do a separate airframe build and just swap the motor and ESC over to it.

You have many options, but you need to comment more.

Moparmyway knows all the same stuff and he has been testing all of these motors along with me.

Both motors above have more capability than your initial description of power desired…I would not step down to 16/15/X,,,no way.

Do not buy till we do some more posts back and forth.


Gryphon

Gryphon - Thanks for all the info, this gives me a clearer idea of where to start. I have two other planes underway right now, I am not in a rush to get this done. I first need to get the stock Stryker in and fly it to see what I am dealing with.

I will probably go with the MEGA 16/30/2 2130KV and combat shaft, 100 ESC. I do have 6S packs too, but these may be beyond what I will use. I have read part of the thread and seem moparmyway's posts too.

Thanks again for the guidance.

louierc,

6S packs should not be used with 16/30/2C because the prop size will become too small to be a good match in a Stryker.

6S can be done in a Funjet on that motor.


Remember 16/30/2C is a 3S-5S motor in a Stryker.



Gryphon

WOW !!!!!!!!
FINALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All packages went out today, so if I owed you a mailing, no matter who, keep watch for it, it is on its way !!!!!

Gryphon, remember me, thetrums, you helped me a while back. need more help. I have aneu 1112 1y 3800kv with an ice 75 esc on 4s. What prop if anty?

thetrums,

I remember you very well old friend....you are one of my favorite folks on the internet.....I loved your last build...great combination.

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This new proposed combination is HORRIBLE.

Great pieces individually, but horrible as combination in your application.

4S in a Stryker out of the question.

3S can be great if you can run some AMPS through it.

With 3S 5.5X4.5 you might very well be above 75A.....Forget 4S unless you are going to max out a 125A ESC or higher.

You need a CC180A to max out that motor, because 125A ESC will not do it.

on 3S with some high AMPs that motor can run GREAT, and amaze you (FAST, more power than ever before for you)....get a large 3S, or parallel (2) very capable packs as larger 3S...you will need more ESC to have big fun....But a single 3S pack can work pending your needs.

That ESC of yours on 3S will be using 5X5 up to 5.5X4.5 , try a few combinations and see.

If you don’t have that motor yet, I can point you towards a better KV.


Even for a Funjet, on 4S, I would ask for more ESC capability.



Tell me more detail of what you already have and what your goal is....Forget 4S unless you want VERY VERY VERY high AMPs....as I said motor can handle it great.
Also what you are willing to buy as needed to make it work.



Take care buddy,


Gryphon

As usual you always have an answer. What motor and prop then with the 75 ice and 4s 3700 Mah 30 c battery. And what is the center of gravity? I forgot after all of the ducted fan crap I have been trying.

thetrums,

I assume/hope you meant to say that I always have “THE answer� as opposed to “An answer�….Big difference in meaning.

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Looks like we may be designing around your ESC.

With ESC limit of 75A (can be pushed some more, no problem), your battery cell capacity (mAH) is on large side and will give you longer flight duration at some cost to weight….nothing bad….desired by some folks including me....battery will live longer and run cooler and have more cycles and also longer full throttle duration without battery overheating....sweet.

You have lots of motor options:

1) Get a motor to max that ESC in future on 6S and 75A…but now run it on 4S with a larger prop….similar to MEGA 16/25/3 will swing 7� prop on 4S…or Medusa 28-40-1700 V2.

2) Get a motor to max out on 5S 75A in future in Stryker (but run it on 4S now)….similar to MEGA 16/25/2.5 to be built in Jan-Feb, or equivalent NEU..also see #4 below.

3) Get a motor that can run 4S 75A now but 5S will make future prop too small for Stryker…16/25/2 or 16/25/2E (we can discuss which later)…or Medusa 28-40-2500 V2


4) Where is your 28-40-2200 V2 Medusa?
28-40-2200 is near perfect combo with your ESC and battery…and will allow you to also run it on 5S in Stryker (6S only in Funjet)….same as #2 option above…might swing 6.5� diameter prop on 4S.
FYI: Medusa is out of business, but NEU motors has taken over the repairs of Medusa motors. If yours is damaged it can be repaired.



Which way are you leaning now?



I hope you still have that Medusa (if my memory serves me right).
What was your setup? Include Wattmeter numbers too.
Back then I didn’t know one little detail about Medusa…so now we can just prop you up to bigger size prop for $3.


For #2 above in equivalent size of NEU 1112/1.5Y, consider MEGA 16/30/2 (can handle 100A if you ever want)


Mopar knows a lot, he can help you as well. He has tons of experience and data to back it up.


Gryphon

Hi all,

Some of you will find this fun...at least a little...

Tell me in a PM (Private Message) What sticks out in this pic...not even sure how to word it myself....out of place....hmmmm, I'm doing a poor job in this sentence.

My sentence above will not matter to the sharp and experienced folks....


Since no one will see any wrong answers (or answer that I'm looking for), then don't be shy...send me a PM with your guesses.


Hint: Delta, triangle symbol....no, I don't mean Geary's awesome motor mount in pic.....it is a surprise.
Delta what...that I will not say...Delta something.


Gryphon

I hope its not something that you are gunna eliminate me from AGAIN

moparmyway,

LOL...that was a good one.


No, you re not eliminated because answers will be sent in a PM, no guess in a post as I clearly stated above (I bet some people will miss that part of it).....[sm=bananahead.gif]


Mopar, thanks for your awesome efforts so far. Your help in every way has been priceless.


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I wish you all a very Happy New Year.


Be safe tonight in every way!!!


Your friend,

Gryphon

i think i know... text sent to cell

HOT DOG !!!!!
That second motor from the left in the picture looks eerily familiar (I like the yellow on the middle wire), but what's up with the illusion of only 2 wires on the way right ????[sm=tongue_smile.gif]

You really want me to send a PM ????

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To all Stryker Dudes......................HAPPY (and safe) NEW YEAR !!!!

The TP 5200 mAH 50C/100C packs seem to be hard cased for cars...not 100% sure.


http://thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/Thunde....06.pdf#page=4



Gryphon