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Old 10-27-2004 | 08:04 PM
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I got my evader today and ahve bene trying to get it started for about 2 and half hours!!!! Ive only succesfully got it started maybe 5 times and have had about 50 half-ass starts.

It gets started but either 1. it dies 5 seconds after it starts, or 2. as soon as I give it gas it dies.

The farthest Ive drove the thing is to the end of my sidewalk, then it dies

Am I doing something wrong? I followed the instructions excactly as they are written, I throttle up really slow like it says but once I get to about 1/4 throttle it dies.

THe glow plug is fine, fuel is brand new, needle valve is set correctly, what else could be the problem?
Old 10-27-2004 | 09:02 PM
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Default RE: How do get these darn things started

my picco .21 does the same thing
Old 10-27-2004 | 09:20 PM
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where you plug in your fuel line that needle its a bit to rich just turn it clock wise just a tiny tinny bit, that shoul do it you are just running to rich. or before you do that start the engine and when it starts ont take the glow starter of let it run a bit just tap the gas when you start i and let it sit there like that for like 5 secs than take the glow starter of let is sit there for another 5 secs and then drive it slowly just give enough gas so it moves, and try to run it like that. if it still dies than o what i told you
Old 10-27-2004 | 09:43 PM
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Ill try it tommorow, its 9:30 now so its a bit late to be running it, too noisy.

Originally the needle was set about 1/4-1/2 turn too rich from the factory and wouldnt start up at all, I set it to the recomended 2 turns out for breaking and have so far gotten it to run maybe 10 times, and once it goes about 20 feet it dies.

The manual says its normal for it to die when breaking it in but this is ridiculas.
Old 10-27-2004 | 10:33 PM
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Old 10-27-2004 | 11:46 PM
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I messed with it a little more earlier (screw the neighbors [>:] ) I turned the needle valve in a little more and it seems to start easier but it will die the second I remove the igniter, I tried having it reved up and removing it but it does the same thing, also tried letting it run a while and removing it but it still dies as soon as the igniter is removed.

I asked my dad and he said something must not be set up right that it shouldnt do that, but ive tried it setup excactly the way the manual says and it does bassically the same thing, but it takes forever to start and dies maybe 20 seconds after it starts.

Their is also a low speed needle valve (ive been adjusting the high speed) the manual says it shouldnt need adjusted until after a full motor breakin, could it be set wrong? The high speed valve was a 1/4 turn off straight from the factory, maybe this one is off as well.

Any ideas?
Old 10-28-2004 | 12:53 AM
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About the engine shutting off after pulling the ignitor, I had the same problem. My simple soultion was that my Ignitor wasn't charged up enough to it wasn't lighting all the coils. I charged it up a bit more and it worked fine.
Old 10-28-2004 | 02:37 AM
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Funny you should mention that, I just checked my igniter and it was barely making the coils glow. I put a new batery in it and the coils glow bright red now, hopefully thats the problem and theri isnt anything wrong with the car itself.

Ive been working on the car tonght, the factory setup was horrible, it came with the ground clearence set at the middle position which is no problem but they had the shocks spring tension so loose when you sat the car down it was nearly draggin bottom (maybe 1/2" or so clearence), the 2 tie straps that hold the muffler on were loose enough the muffler kept coming off, I found a number of loose screws (no big deal, the manual says to recheck all of them), and I had to readjust the throttle servo and stearing servo as they were both off centered quite a bit, you had to trim them all the way to get them centered (I fixed them now though).

Overall this car seems pretty nice for $250, aside from me not being able to get it started (which is my fault for not knowing what the hell I was doing )

Hopefully I can get this thing running tommorow, I think I just orignally had it set way to rich, then by time I got it leaned out my igniter battery went dead, without me knowing, causing nothing to work right.
Old 10-28-2004 | 12:12 PM
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I dont know, I just treid it again today and it does the same thing. Everything works perfectly fine until I take the glow plug igniter out. It isnt the batteyr as I just replaced it last night and this is the first time ive used it.

The engines running perfectly, reves up to full throttle, brakes work, everything works perfect, until I remove the igniter. I tired startign it rich then leaning, then removing the igniter, same thing. Also tried starting it lean then richining, then removing the igniter, same thing. just dies instantly.

The glow plug looks fine, as far as I can tell all the coils glow nice and red.

The only thing Ive noticed is when I remove the igniter I cna see some little bublles coming up around the plug, could this be the problem? The manual says its due to a bad gasket but I dont see how that would make it dies when the igniter is removed.

The only thing I can think of trying is to replace the glow plug and gasket. Or keep adjusting around on the motor?

The motor also has a low speed valve and a idle rpm set screw, mayeb one fo these are set wrong?
Old 10-28-2004 | 12:43 PM
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a bad gasket (copper washer) will cause the problems you noted as the compression loss will not allow the plug to stay lit.Never seen that happen myself but make sure you don't trap any dirt or junk under the washer when you replace the glow plug.Good Luck

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hoi there, sounds like you should try a new glow plug. Same thing ahppened to me....i charged the glow starter and changed the glow plug
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Thanks for all the help, Im going to order a couple glow plugs from tower hobbies, they probobly wont be here till next week though []

In the mean time Ill keep at it, ill check the gasket, it might just have some dirt or something on it from when I dropped it outside last night. My dad said its probobly just running rich, but like I said ive tried leaning it and it doesnt help. Ill try tightening the glow plug down with a wrench, might just be a little loose as I can easily unscrew it with the igniter.

Ill also try my rechargeable igniter, these battery operated ones suck, batteries dont last for 5 minutes [:'(]\


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I think I found the problem, even on a new battery the igniter was barely gettign it to glow, I tried it on my rechargeable igniter and it gloes at least twice as bright as on the other one even if it had a brand new battery.

I cleaned the gasket off, and I cleaned out the area around where the gasket sits on the motors heatsink thing, I also tightened the plug down with a wrench. IM going to tyr it in a little while, I think this mgith have fixed it.

Oh and I ordered 3 extra plugs from tower hobbies, their coming priority mail so maybe theyll be here by monday.
Old 10-28-2004 | 03:45 PM
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WHOO Got it running!!!

Ive already ran a full tank of fuel through it.
Old 10-28-2004 | 03:50 PM
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okay when the engine starts rev it up to a little more to half throttle and take he ignitor off and let the truck drive keeping the throttle in that position, should i work i hope
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I dont know, I just treid it again today and it does the same thing. Everything works perfectly fine until I take the glow plug igniter out. It isnt the batteyr as I just replaced it last night and this is the first time ive used it.

The engines running perfectly, reves up to full throttle, brakes work, everything works perfect, until I remove the igniter. I tired startign it rich then leaning, then removing the igniter, same thing. Also tried starting it lean then richining, then removing the igniter, same thing. just dies instantly.

The glow plug looks fine, as far as I can tell all the coils glow nice and red.

The only thing Ive noticed is when I remove the igniter I cna see some little bublles coming up around the plug, could this be the problem? The manual says its due to a bad gasket but I dont see how that would make it dies when the igniter is removed.

The only thing I can think of trying is to replace the glow plug and gasket. Or keep adjusting around on the motor?

The motor also has a low speed valve and a idle rpm set screw, mayeb one fo these are set wrong?
Old 10-28-2004 | 04:00 PM
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I got it runnign now (see the post just above yours) I gues smy plug was just loose or my igniter batteyr was dead.

Done ran 2 tanks of gas through it Now I just need to finish breaking it in so I can rip the pavement off the streets
Old 10-28-2004 | 06:13 PM
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Sure does feel good when something goes right, doesn't it![8D]
Old 10-28-2004 | 07:38 PM
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Default RE: How do get these darn things started

Sure does

A sevo gear (the one on the very top that turns the arm) got stripped though. Question is how? It has a servo saver on it, and as well as I can recal I never crashed into anything. It did however flip over (front over back) in the grass, didnt look to harmful to me but I guess thats what did it.

Oh well, for the meantime ive got extra servos here, guess ill look and see if duratrax sells servo gears, or if I can find one that will work.
Old 10-28-2004 | 08:07 PM
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Evaders seem to always be trouble in break in. I puleed my chord about 200 times before i gave up and took it into hobbytown and just told them "get this thing running" then paid em' a few bucks. It worked.


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Old 10-28-2004 | 09:49 PM
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I fixed the duratrax servo, turns out this old futaba servo I had has the excact same gears in it. Oh and I figured out why the first one stripped, the servo saver was set (from the factory) to such a high tension it was basically useless, ive now loosened it up nearly as loose as it will go.

I think my motor is probobly pretty well broken in now, I ran like 10 or 11 tanks through it today. I think its running richer than the recomended setting so tommorow ill have to even it out.

Now the only problem im having is if you stop or start abruptly the motor dies, whats weird is it doesnt do it every the time, just maybe half of the time. How do I fix this? or will it fix itself as the motor finishes breaking in?

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