Fiber Classics Mig 29 RIPOFF
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Ich habe andreas auch behandelt und es war nicht wirklich gut. ....he hat geschienen, wie er hinunter geistig geschlagen wurde. ....and, nachdem Lesen Ihrer Geschichte von seiner Geschichte ich nicht überrascht bin. ...i kann sehen ihn als ein jüngerer Mann alle volle von Hoffnungen, Träume und Ideen aber einige, wie Geschäft, das am besten von ihm geworden wird, und ihn gedreht hat. ...i ist ängstlich er hat vergessen, wie er dort und seines auch geworden ist Ich sicher mag seine Flugzeug. ..but andererseits ich dont hat einen mig
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Ich habe andreas auch behandelt und es war nicht wirklich gut. ....he hat geschienen, wie er hinunter geistig geschlagen wurde. ....and, nachdem Lesen Ihrer Geschichte von seiner Geschichte ich nicht überrascht bin. ...i kann sehen ihn als ein jüngerer Mann alle volle von Hoffnungen, Träume und Ideen aber einige, wie Geschäft, das am besten von ihm geworden wird, und ihn gedreht hat. ...i ist ängstlich er hat vergessen, wie er dort und seines auch geworden ist Ich sicher mag seine Flugzeug. ..but andererseits ich dont hat einen mig
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Hi guys!
Don't mix up different companies. Andreas started his business in Thailand in 2000, we visited him during the JWM in Pattaya. A real amazing production by that time. A year later or so, the german fiberclassics company (nomore related to Andreas Gietz since 2001??) and Andreas split at all. Different people, different stories, but they definitely didn't buy/get anymore parts from Thailand since end of 2002, early 2003. If Craig ordered his MiG from Fiberclassics a year ago, it is not Andreas problem/fault. You can still buy the MiG from Andreas under composite-arf.
Just for your information.
I am sorry for Craig. I tried to arrange parts for him at the last Jetpower-fair here in germany. He send my old buddy Dave Burns to germany, to get in contact with guy who owns FC's name, but he didn't have parts. My suggestion: Get in contact with Andras at C-arf, tell him your problems and get the parts from him. I know him as a very kind guy and I am sure you can sort it out.
BR,
David Büsken
Don't mix up different companies. Andreas started his business in Thailand in 2000, we visited him during the JWM in Pattaya. A real amazing production by that time. A year later or so, the german fiberclassics company (nomore related to Andreas Gietz since 2001??) and Andreas split at all. Different people, different stories, but they definitely didn't buy/get anymore parts from Thailand since end of 2002, early 2003. If Craig ordered his MiG from Fiberclassics a year ago, it is not Andreas problem/fault. You can still buy the MiG from Andreas under composite-arf.
Just for your information.
I am sorry for Craig. I tried to arrange parts for him at the last Jetpower-fair here in germany. He send my old buddy Dave Burns to germany, to get in contact with guy who owns FC's name, but he didn't have parts. My suggestion: Get in contact with Andras at C-arf, tell him your problems and get the parts from him. I know him as a very kind guy and I am sure you can sort it out.
BR,
David Büsken
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Mario
That looks like the most expensive jet crash ever! Who was the unfortunate owner and what happened?
John
Mario
That looks like the most expensive jet crash ever! Who was the unfortunate owner and what happened?
John
Lucas, being the stand-up guy he is, took it well, and he is working on another of the same.
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This is a change of tack, but is anyone aware of a dual receiver system that might be in existence. I am surprised that one of the more enterprising electronic companies hasn't come up with a dual receiver backup system yet.......the receiver equivalent of the Powerbox system for battery backup. I'm sure they would find a market particularly with models such as the Mig where there is a huge investment of time and money....
It would be great to have some type of cpu, to which two receivers were connected, that could detect when the filtered signal on one receiver dropped to critical levels. It could then switch to draw signal from the other receiver......anyone know of such a system??
It would be great to have some type of cpu, to which two receivers were connected, that could detect when the filtered signal on one receiver dropped to critical levels. It could then switch to draw signal from the other receiver......anyone know of such a system??
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Sure, you can, but that still won't help if some jerk who thinks you took his favorite parking space turns on his transmitter and shoots you down.
Look...the moment you rotate a $25,000 model, all bets are OFF. You need to accept that everything can be "right" and everthing can still go wrong. Are you up for that? A $25k total loss? Because that is what you are committing to the moment you take off. Me, I ain't up for that...too much worry for me. Lucas was.
Look...the moment you rotate a $25,000 model, all bets are OFF. You need to accept that everything can be "right" and everthing can still go wrong. Are you up for that? A $25k total loss? Because that is what you are committing to the moment you take off. Me, I ain't up for that...too much worry for me. Lucas was.
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Hi Craig!
There are two systems available here in germany. The on thing will not suite your needs, as it is only 35MHz. It is the ACT diversity-set. Two 10channel-receivers switched together. All channels are fully programmable in the rx. It is possible to use two different frequencies. Therefore they made a new module which is a two in one system. You just put it in your 10X and your ready to transmit on two channels. The recievers always use the best signal.
The second system is the Emcotec DPSI twin. You can connect two recievers to that "BOX". The emcotec-guys use a second module in the TX on a different band. They have a 35MHZ and a 40MHZ-module in a Graupner MC24. I am not sure if that is in any way what you were looking for, but that should safe a few jets.
BR,
David
There are two systems available here in germany. The on thing will not suite your needs, as it is only 35MHz. It is the ACT diversity-set. Two 10channel-receivers switched together. All channels are fully programmable in the rx. It is possible to use two different frequencies. Therefore they made a new module which is a two in one system. You just put it in your 10X and your ready to transmit on two channels. The recievers always use the best signal.
The second system is the Emcotec DPSI twin. You can connect two recievers to that "BOX". The emcotec-guys use a second module in the TX on a different band. They have a 35MHZ and a 40MHZ-module in a Graupner MC24. I am not sure if that is in any way what you were looking for, but that should safe a few jets.
BR,
David
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In MFI (Model Flug Internationl, german rag) there was an article regarding dual RF-decks (one on the 35MHz band and the other on 40MHz). They had matching recievers and a device that verified signal integrity between these two.
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The magnetic catch idea for the doors has been installed and everything is now working to airworthy standards !
So if you have a Mig, get on with it , it does all work !
Regards,
David Gladwin.
So if you have a Mig, get on with it , it does all work !
Regards,
David Gladwin.
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The radio gear we put into these $10,000 plus jets is the weak-link in this hobby. Even the best Tx and receiver are not much more sophisticated than what comes in a $30.00 RC-car from Toys-R-Us. Until we get a UHF band or some sort of frequency-hopping system we're really pushing our luck. This is not high-tech stuff. It's 1960s technology.
I'm not sure we can count on our fearless AMA leaderships to push for these anytime soon.
I'm not sure we can count on our fearless AMA leaderships to push for these anytime soon.
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Yes, of course, it's all DAVE BROWN'S fault. That's the ticket.
Spread spectrum, looks like it's coming, Hitec already has a car radio out.
$25k is too rich for me, writing the check is do-able, but my nerves could not stand committing that to the air. Spread spectrum or otherwise. I would need ortopedic surgery for my knees knocking together. But that's just me. My hat is off for anybody who HAS those guts, I'm thrilled to see such a model fly.
A lot of people badmouthing this model, but having seen Lucas' fly, let me say...that thing is AWESOME. Just wonderful. Worth all the effort. Probably the MOST impressive big jet I have ever seen, myself. Much more impressive than the YA F18 twin, or the BVM F100 or Phantom. It's just too cool. So keep at it, it's worth it!
Can't blame anybody who spent $10k on a kit for *****ing that it was not all they paid for, but at this point, all you can do is carry on and finish the airplane. That first flight will probably help ameliorate a lot of the bad feelings, it's really an incredible plane.
Spread spectrum, looks like it's coming, Hitec already has a car radio out.
$25k is too rich for me, writing the check is do-able, but my nerves could not stand committing that to the air. Spread spectrum or otherwise. I would need ortopedic surgery for my knees knocking together. But that's just me. My hat is off for anybody who HAS those guts, I'm thrilled to see such a model fly.
A lot of people badmouthing this model, but having seen Lucas' fly, let me say...that thing is AWESOME. Just wonderful. Worth all the effort. Probably the MOST impressive big jet I have ever seen, myself. Much more impressive than the YA F18 twin, or the BVM F100 or Phantom. It's just too cool. So keep at it, it's worth it!
Can't blame anybody who spent $10k on a kit for *****ing that it was not all they paid for, but at this point, all you can do is carry on and finish the airplane. That first flight will probably help ameliorate a lot of the bad feelings, it's really an incredible plane.
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You are right with the shoot down comment but such a system could be useful protecting against on board interference particularly if antenna's are mounted along perpendicular axes.
If I wasn't prepared for the possibility you mentioned, I wouldn't have bought the model, would I?...but thanks for the advice
If I wasn't prepared for the possibility you mentioned, I wouldn't have bought the model, would I?...but thanks for the advice
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Oh, definitely twin receivers, pretty sure Lucas had that.
You have my admiration, Craig, send us pics when she is done. Lest anyone think I think a $25k model is "stupid and crazy" ( you WILL hear a lot of that down at the field) I don't...I just don't have the guts! It's too serious for me! But I am sure glad others do, because I love to see them fly.
You have my admiration, Craig, send us pics when she is done. Lest anyone think I think a $25k model is "stupid and crazy" ( you WILL hear a lot of that down at the field) I don't...I just don't have the guts! It's too serious for me! But I am sure glad others do, because I love to see them fly.
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I gotta agree with Easytiger. That 29 is the most impressive turbine model ever. I remember flying at Superman (1999 or 2000?) with my first turbine (Kangaroo) in the air at the same time as Wolfgang with the Mig (world champ at the time?). I called "coming in" as I was very low on fuel. An instant later, he called the same. I just told my caller to tell him to go first. I definitely did not want to be remembered as the guy that caused the awesome Mig to go in dead-stick!
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I have to say...I did not "get it" until I saw it fly. I thought Lucas was nutz...but then I saw it FLY.
Man, it really is awesome. And it flies GREAT. Slow flight, fast, whatever. You can kick Andreas Gietz for a whole bunch of reasons, I guess, but...credit where credit is due. This this...is...amazing.
Man, it really is awesome. And it flies GREAT. Slow flight, fast, whatever. You can kick Andreas Gietz for a whole bunch of reasons, I guess, but...credit where credit is due. This this...is...amazing.
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That 29 is the most impressive turbine model ever. I remember flying at Superman (1999 or 2000?) with my first turbine (Kangaroo) in the air at the same time as Wolfgang with the Mig (world champ at the time?).
That 29 is the most impressive turbine model ever. I remember flying at Superman (1999 or 2000?) with my first turbine (Kangaroo) in the air at the same time as Wolfgang with the Mig (world champ at the time?).
As for this 2 receiver/frequency radio thing, there are other products than the ACT and the emcotec, the downside of all is that you need to pull 2 flags when you fly (if you want it to really prevent shootdowns), and you won't win many popularity contests at the events......except on HAM I have not seen anything FCC compliant for sale here in the sates.
The Hitec spread spectrum unit, as it is built in the ad I saw, will not work in aircraft (IMHO). Just like the Horizon unit, it was originally built for aircraft, but sold for cars. We have flown a spread spectrum unit that will work in aircraft, but we really do not have much stomach for making something that the Chinese will copy in a year and a half .......then all of my modeling "brothers" will buy the Chinese copy then just spout off about "free enterprise" and "just too much profit" and the like.....I think I will just keep it for myself!
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SNIP: We have flown a spread spectrum unit that will work in aircraft, but we really do not have much stomach for making something that the Chinese will copy in a year and a half .......then all of my modeling "brothers" will buy the Chinese copy then just spout off about "free enterprise" and "just too much profit" and the like.....I think I will just keep it for myself!
SNIP: We have flown a spread spectrum unit that will work in aircraft, but we really do not have much stomach for making something that the Chinese will copy in a year and a half .......then all of my modeling "brothers" will buy the Chinese copy then just spout off about "free enterprise" and "just too much profit" and the like.....I think I will just keep it for myself!
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That would give you a good, solid year-and-a-half to capitalize on it. Guy could sell a lot of radios in a year and a half. And if you KEEP developing it, you can always be selling something new.
I can see where cheep chinese knockoffs like the Jetjoe have totally and completely devastated the model turbine industry, overnight. I was at the Jetcat banruptcy auction last week, picked up a whole card of glow plugs for ten bucks. If I can tease the elements back IN, I can use them on my Chinese made copy of the OS Wankel.
So, yeah, I can understand why you do not bother. No point in taking any risks. Much better to just keep working for somebody else.
But...if EVERYBODY thought that way, the Wright Brothers would never have invented the lightbulb, right?
I can see where cheep chinese knockoffs like the Jetjoe have totally and completely devastated the model turbine industry, overnight. I was at the Jetcat banruptcy auction last week, picked up a whole card of glow plugs for ten bucks. If I can tease the elements back IN, I can use them on my Chinese made copy of the OS Wankel.
So, yeah, I can understand why you do not bother. No point in taking any risks. Much better to just keep working for somebody else.
But...if EVERYBODY thought that way, the Wright Brothers would never have invented the lightbulb, right?
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That would give you a good, solid year-and-a-half to capitalize on it. Guy could sell a lot of radios in a year and a half. And if you KEEP developing it, you can always be selling something new.
I can see where cheep chinese knockoffs like the Jetjoe have totally and completely devastated the model turbine industry, overnight. I was at the Jetcat banruptcy auction last week, picked up a whole card of glow plugs for ten bucks. If I can tease the elements back IN, I can use them on my Chinese made copy of the OS Wankel.
So, yeah, I can understand why you do not bother. No point in taking any risks. Much better to just keep working for somebody else.
But...if EVERYBODY thought that way, the Wright Brothers would never have invented the lightbulb, right?
That would give you a good, solid year-and-a-half to capitalize on it. Guy could sell a lot of radios in a year and a half. And if you KEEP developing it, you can always be selling something new.
I can see where cheep chinese knockoffs like the Jetjoe have totally and completely devastated the model turbine industry, overnight. I was at the Jetcat banruptcy auction last week, picked up a whole card of glow plugs for ten bucks. If I can tease the elements back IN, I can use them on my Chinese made copy of the OS Wankel.
So, yeah, I can understand why you do not bother. No point in taking any risks. Much better to just keep working for somebody else.
But...if EVERYBODY thought that way, the Wright Brothers would never have invented the lightbulb, right?
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Coming back to planet normal for a moment
I purchased a Mig 29 from Wolfgang Klur about two years ago. It was without a doubt the most awesome jet I have ever owned or flown. It was the only jet that would stop a jet meeting. The first time I flew it in Public at a UK jet meeting everybody just stopped to watch. Totally spontaneously. It seems to catch the fascination of everybody. On the Ground it is a technical masterpiece and in the air it is just, for want of a better word. RIGHT! It has the perfect sit, speed and presence.
The only thing for me that put me off was that complication. I never trusted the U/C 100% and was s*it scared of a belly landing. Which I saw Wolfgang do, not so long ago in Germany (Messy [:@])
Despite that I ordered another one which is lost in Thailand somewhere (But thats another story)
You can see some video of my one flying at www.alshobbies.com (look in the video section and it is in there)

I purchased a Mig 29 from Wolfgang Klur about two years ago. It was without a doubt the most awesome jet I have ever owned or flown. It was the only jet that would stop a jet meeting. The first time I flew it in Public at a UK jet meeting everybody just stopped to watch. Totally spontaneously. It seems to catch the fascination of everybody. On the Ground it is a technical masterpiece and in the air it is just, for want of a better word. RIGHT! It has the perfect sit, speed and presence.
The only thing for me that put me off was that complication. I never trusted the U/C 100% and was s*it scared of a belly landing. Which I saw Wolfgang do, not so long ago in Germany (Messy [:@])
Despite that I ordered another one which is lost in Thailand somewhere (But thats another story)
You can see some video of my one flying at www.alshobbies.com (look in the video section and it is in there)


