so where is is it now" you once had one off phills engines" will you please let every one now what model it is in then we can look at it as you now its a small community this jet flying regards jetman

I hear the Wasp team are going to Jet Power this weekend, if so are you flying some planes there? I am dieing to see one run after reading on this thread that they will be on the circuit this year and the season is now all but over and I still haven't seen one run yet.

jason

[/quote] so where is is it now" you once had one off phills engines" will you please let every one now what model it is in then we can look at it as you now its a small community this jet flying regards jetman

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my Phoenix mk4 after the bearing failure (caused by my stupidity after not filtering the fuel) went back to Microjet engineering (the old company Phill designed and built engines for) was then rebuilt and sent back to me, then i came up with the Jackson D-stick idea which they used in all their engines and tested on mine........they then accidentally sold my MK4 to a customer and gave me the Phoenix super panther instead, i didn't have a problem with this as the super panther was lighter and smaller.

the phoenix super panther against the phoenix mk4

super panther:- 20lbs thrust
weight 2lbs

phoenix mk4:-26lbs thrust
weight 4lbs

to put you in the picture, the phoenix mk4 was a development from Phills first engine which was the Phoenix 30.3, this engine was around the same time as the FD3/67, both engines being home built engines, the FD3/67 gave 8lbs thrust where as the 30.3 gave 15 to 20lbs thrust (depending on how well you made the parts), if you do your home work on the early developments of home built gas turbines you'll see the Phoenix 30.3 was one of/if not the most powerful home built engines of it's time.

the 30.3 was supplied in either plans alone, plans and ready made parts or plans and materials, basically it was when home built engines we're just that, 'home built' and not 'take home and assemble'..........

does that answer your question?

Hi every one.

Wasn't gonna put this on as I pm'd it to someone - to them I appologise for saying I wouldn't but with all these 'FACTS FACTS FACTS PEOPLE' people need to see the FACTS

This is from my first hand knowledge of the wasp

The first batch of engines was 20

1 in rcji THE PROBLEMS HAVE NOW BEEN CORRECTED)
3 from I know (dismiss them if you wish but I assure they are real)
1 from manjet (dismiss if you wish)

= 5 -- 25% with issues


WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT

BUT FROM TIME TO TIME WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES PHILS WAS TO LET THE ENGINE OUT TOO EARLY NO PROBLEM WITH TIME HE WILL GET THE ENGINE RIGHT AS I HAVE SAID all along.

I too can't wait to heard of good engines as I know soon after the people I know of with poor engine will soon be sorted out. Hopefully it will be jetpower great then report back then a few more meets etc then PHIL CAN PUT ALL THIS BEHIND HIM and start making some dough dough

OOOHHH YEA THEN I CAN SHUT UP, can't wait after all the stick I've had over this one.

How much fairer can I be.


ant

thanks for the facts ant.

Why all the fuss over the Wasp engine? Unless it's significantly cheaper, more powerful, more economical or simpler - a real breakthrough of some sort then why bother? Isn't the market already flooded with engines that do the job reliably? Good luck to the guy building it, I hope he eventually sorts it out but is anyone going to buy it instead of all the other brands? - John.

Apparently it has some realy good design features in it like the j vapourisours (think amt use them??) etc etc also the spec makes it look like a small powerful very cheap engine, so once the engine catches up with the spec then it will be different to some.

Look at the development of the wren 54 from 10lb to 12lb then 14lb then onto the latest engine I have definately 14lb +++ its on my stingray which weighs 13lb + 2lts of fuel on takeoff I can pull virtical and it just go' go' and go' and doesn't drop off at all I'll demo this at the shakespeare rally if any need proof.

But I am a big wren fan though so bear that in mind UNTIL I demo it then your'll see for your selves.

Ant

those J sticks you we're talking about are attached so you have some idea.

the ones pictured are unfinished, but you can see the complexity and skill that's gone into making just the sticks alone.....and it has 8 of them!
the bloke is a genius..........now where's that cup of tea Phill? (in joke as it always takes 30mins of more.....he's that busy)

so no it does not answer my question were are all these wasp turbines that phil turned down to falsely win the gtba comp with and as it was goeing to do 20LB off thrust when he has sorted the combustion chamber out and get one to do 20LB off thrust as he stated he will prove every one wrong do you not thing he has had the time do do this and if it was me that had given £500 POUND DEPOSIT i think i would want my money back regards jetman
so where is is it now" you once had one off phills engines" will you please let every one now what model it is in then we can look at it as you now its a small community this jet flying regards jetman

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my Phoenix mk4 after the bearing failure (caused by my stupidity after not filtering the fuel) went back to Microjet engineering (the old company Phill designed and built engines for) was then rebuilt and sent back to me, then i came up with the Jackson D-stick idea which they used in all their engines and tested on mine........they then accidentally sold my MK4 to a customer and gave me the Phoenix super panther instead, i didn't have a problem with this as the super panther was lighter and smaller.

the phoenix super panther against the phoenix mk4

super panther:- 20lbs thrust
weight 2lbs

phoenix mk4:-26lbs thrust
weight 4lbs

to put you in the picture, the phoenix mk4 was a development from Phills first engine which was the Phoenix 30.3, this engine was around the same time as the FD3/67, both engines being home built engines, the FD3/67 gave 8lbs thrust where as the 30.3 gave 15 to 20lbs thrust (depending on how well you made the parts), if you do your home work on the early developments of home built gas turbines you'll see the Phoenix 30.3 was one of/if not the most powerful home built engines of it's time.

the 30.3 was supplied in either plans alone, plans and ready made parts or plans and materials, basically it was when home built engines we're just that, 'home built' and not 'take home and assemble'..........

does that answer your question?
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oohhh jetmanjetman,

oohh your in for it now te he te he.

?? You say people had to give up front deposits???? why not just pay on dispatch like every other manufacturer ???? please can someone explain as this is a new one on me.

Ant

so where are all these engines with"J STICKS AND IT HAS EIGHT OF THEM" so where are they there has been more than enuf time to iron out any problems "THE BLOKES IS A GENIUS" your words not mine i think i need a beer not a cup off tea regards jetman

I hear theres a big gap at JetPower where Heward Microjets should be. Looks like they never turned up. Are they just too busy to go?


Jason

Hi all,

Heatseeker hill will not be attending the shakespeare due to it being his birthday weekend or something fair enough but we were we told that the wasp reps would be attending the uk jet meets NOT HAPPEND. Also now with the news that howard microjets didn't attend the jetpower show WHY WHY WHY ??

I now feel that this looks realy bad for people with this engine and they may be looking at getting their money back maybe. As selling goods which do not conform anything like to the published spec/info at the time of purchase is acctually against the law in this country. PLEASE PLEASE phil , heatseeker hill or paul step in here and explain to people like my chaps I know what is happening and when will they get working products as things ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD.

I think all these delays, excuses and let downs are now way past the joke stage.

Phil you posted earlier on this thread you definately need to step in here and give answer to these issues imediately coz 'you are too BUSY' will not be good enough you have had the money you need to answer to you customers PLEASE.



Ant

the Wasp is in the early stages hense there aren't that many out there..........if that's what you mean't.

i think you mean't 'enough' not 'enuf'

i can only speak from what i see when i visit Phill or speak to him, the wasp is a small part of his jet engine manufacturing and he is building and selling 80lb thrust engines aswell as other spec engines.....hense very busy.

can't answer that as i didn't even know it was on, speaking for myself personally i wouldn't have gotten time to go due to full time job, seeing my kids at the weekends etc etc.
only Phill can answer why he wasn't there

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the Wasp is in the early stages hense there aren't that many out there..........if that's what you mean't.

i think you mean't 'enough' not 'enuf'

i can only speak from what i see when i visit Phill or speak to him, the wasp is a small part of his jet engine manufacturing and he is building and selling 80lb thrust engines aswell as other spec engines.....hense very busy.

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Couple of things 'enuf' well obviously you don't 'TEXT' very off10 as u wood no u shorten thins as much as pos.

Model engines might be only a small part of his business but its a part which I think will be a BIG problem for him if his conduct continues like it is . 'HE IS TO BUSY' to answer the issues on this forum is a discraceful attitude there are at least 20 engines out there with a large % with problems and 'HE IS TO BUSY' to sort them out . 'HE IS TO BUSY' to answer his emails.

'HE IS TO BUSY' lame lame lame lame


Ant

im going to sit down and read through the last few pages to find out whats been happening. then i can give a more in depth answer.

Jet power-------- I was hoping to go but nothing concrete was planned. and when the time came I had to go to the USA for a month at the same time regarding a large project.

Falsely winning the gtba comp ????? i just saw a quick line about that one, can you let me know what you mean by that.

Long development time----------this is not just another kj copy in a different colour can. every minute detail was calculated, drawn, built, reworked x 15. a quick answer to that one is just try it yourself. Ive been making these engines since 1983, so far built 45-50 different designs (not one of them coppied from anyone elses work), the wasp has been the most stubborn to get right.
From what i can work out, the GTBCG later the GTBA came into being because there were so many people building the fd3 and getting nowhere. all these people somehow started finding about each other and started meeting. in those days people helped each other by passing on hints and tips. Now its more fun to trash new engines and start up long forums about what crap it is and what the latest breakdown was.

I have solved all the early problems in some engines with the combustor not being to handle a slam acceleration and throwing out a flame at 70k rpm or there abouts. There still remains a bit of work to reduce the egt. for this there will be a new turbine wheel with a different blade profile. the drawings were sent to the mould makers in late Janurary this year, I am still waiting for the wax mould to be finished. I am constantly chasing them to finish the job and get some castings. All existing engines have the option of a straight refit with the new wheel. all new builds will use it but only after very extensive bench and flight testing.


I have told many people this and will let all owners know once we have them on the shelf tested and ready to go.

If people want help or money back etc. that should be between us and them, not for public consumption on here.

not answering phone, emails etc. im guilty of that one. I dont like phones, those who know me will know i can easily go a month without saying more than a couple of sentences. i dont know why but its always been a struggle.
Emails, there is a backlog to get through. As some may know, I have recently moved house and workshop, and spend a month out of the country. Me and Anna between us spent 11 hrs on the phone to BT trying to get the broadband connected, we had to wait 8 days to get a line connected.
Im working through emails as fast as i can. many of them require a 2-3 page reply not counting bespoke drawings, specific engine test results, spreadsheets.

Some pay deposits, some dont. for most people it is easier to pay in two smaller sums spread out over a month or more rather than in one lump sum, it makes no difference to us.
We do it anyway that suits the buyer. Sorry ant, I didnt realise it was such a huge issue, ill make a note to change our terms to a much more rigid payment policy.

Right with what phil has posted sound reasonable lets wait for more news.


Leaving this one for a bit.

Ant

Falsely winning the gtba comp ????? i just saw a quick line about that one, can you let me know what you mean by that. well yes i will let you now what i mean there were two wasps to enter the first one was a flame thrower that got put away quick smart and the other that phil brought was put in the test that won will you please let every one no your results that won the comp ie egt,max thrust,and the rest regards jetman

The flame thrower was built using about half of the drawings from the construction manual, the rest of the parts (combustor, diffuser, bearing mounting arrangement and tunnel, jetpipe, casing) were designed by the person that built it. He likes to build everything himself and decided to experiment with a few of his own ideas on that one and brought it to show me and others what problems he was having with it.
The engine that i brought was one that i had been working to test a few new ideas. it was not until about 12.30 on friday night before the competition that i decided to stop messing about with it and go home and begin to pack up ready to go to coventry in the morning.
it was brought as it was. the jetpipe happened to be 7mm larger at the nozzle. from the hundred or so runs that it had done that week, and the various tests that had been done, that was the nozzle that just happend to be fitted at the time. Hence the low thrust 15 or 16lb.

the first run was at 145k rpm. thrust arround 14lb egt about 650c. im only guessing at the temp as i didnt write down any figures at the time.

then Rob rowbotham ran his merlin. the results went in the computer and showed that I was slightly ahead.
then i think rob ran again at a different speed and got a slightly worse result than his first run.
i ran mine again at 150k. the thrust was around 15.5 or 16lb, egt 680 or something like that. the SFC was better than my first run.
then rob ran a second engine as it had clearly become a battle between us two by then. he got the lowest results of all three runs that time.

I still dont know how it won "falsely". there is no set speeds or thrust level that has to be acheived. i could have run at idle and still be within the rules.
the idea is to run for 2 mins at any constant speed while the fuel tank is measured and the amount of thrust is divided by the amount of fuel used. this gives the SFC (specific fuel consumption). whoever gets the lowest SFC wins.
Every engine is mounted on the same rig and measured with the same instruments so any calibration errors (of which there was some but kept quiet about) were the same for everyone.

Phil note the rpm you state and the thrust miles off the quoted figures even for an engine "you happend to have" with the wrong size tube!!

Also the so called production kit engine which was reviewed in rcji which had to be messed with by you JUST TO GET RUNNING could you tell us first off how many different combustion chambers you tried in it AND is this the type of quality engine/kit which was sent out to your customers because if you couldn't get it running anything like close to spec HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO but I suppose its just a case of reading your terms and conditions.


All the best

Ant

I was with Phill the day before the competition and it aint no lie that he was up until 12.30 on Friday night! Yes, there were 2 wasps pressent at the GTBA meeting, and i believe the flame thrower wasp was run to show Phill how far construction had advanced with it. It definitely wasnt packed away quick smart! I understand it was in experimental phase. Phill's Wasp won the competition fair and square, just sounds like sour grapes from certain parties.

Are you having a laugh if Phil was so ready why was he up so late the night before. Also please can anybody else add to the list of engines present at the compitition as I know a previous winner unfortunately could not be there but judgeing by previous gtba results they wouldn't have been second.

I think Phil was just lucky some other engines were not there. BUT as you say he did win fair and square beating the engines which were there.

Wasp
Merlin

Any more for any more.

Ant