never heard of any such myself, i get payments via PayPal all the time and i never update the buyer via PayPal about shipping the item, i always send it direct via email to them, PayPal never knows (or asks) otherwise.

GRB,

Ebay/paypal keep updating their processes, I would recommend that you contact paypal directly. I have never had that happen to me.

Regards,
Mike

Hi keith,
When did you order your F16's which arrived recently?
I put my order in on the 26th December and was told 35-45 working days for delivery.
i just wanted to know how far up the queue i am?
I hope you get the shipping damage issues sorted out with fly eagle.
brgds
David

GRB,
I got the exact same e-mail yesterday. I ordered mine on Dec 30th I think and was told a late March delivery. This was my first time to use paypal either as a seller or buyer so I'm kinda concerned myself.

Cody

GRB and All,

I received a call and an email from the US rep with regards to the paypal and emails that you have received. Paypal has changed their policy see below:

Section 11.3 will read:
“11.3 Qualification Requirements. In order to qualify for coverage under the Seller Protection Policy, you must meet the following requirements:

You must have a Verified Business or Verified Premier Account at the time of the transaction,
The transaction must be between a US, UK or Canadian buyer and a US, UK or Canadian seller,
The payment must be listed as "Seller Protection Policy Eligible" on the "Transaction Details" page, or cleared by PayPal through Payment Review,
You must accept a single payment from one PayPal Account for the purchase,
You must not charge a surcharge for accepting PayPal,
You must ship the purchased item to the address listed on the "Transaction Details" page,
[You must ship the item to the buyer within 7 Days of receiving payment,
You must have trackable online proof of delivery from an approved shipper to the address on the "Transaction Details" page. For transactions involving$250.00 USD or more, you must provide a proof of receipt that was signed or otherwise acknowledged by the buyer and can be viewed online, (If you paid in a currency other than US dollars, the following amounts apply for this section:$325.00 CAD, €200.00 EUR, £150.00 GBP, ¥28,000 JPY, $350.00 AUD, 330.00 CHF, 1,600.00 NOK, 2,000.00 SEK, 1,500.00 DKK, 800.00 PLN, 55,000 HUF, 6,000.00 CZK, $400.00 SGD, $2,000.00 HKD, $380.00 NZD, and
You must respond to PayPal's requests for information within the time period PayPal specifies.

Paypal has put a limit on their account, I am not sure what it says yet, but I asked FEJ to send me a copy of the email and I will try to help them with that.

I will send an email to paypal with regards to my payment for the Rafale and let them know that these guys are legit.

Regards,
Mike

Hi Guys,

If you need my help in getting these planes from Fly Eagle, PM me. It costs me $50 to ship them from China, (2 of them are now in the container going to USA, finally) and about $50 dollars to ship from California to most USA destinations. They will be delivering the remaining orders for my club right after Chinese New Year. I heard that they are not sending their workers home for the New Year. That's good sign for us.

I am still in China and will stay there to witness these big all-nighters fireworks during their New Year holidays. I plan to load up some fireworks and rockets on my jets and shoot them. My AMA waiver does not cover my activities in China anyway, but my company's insurance does, so I guess it's OK to do that. I will be back in California in mid-February. Come see me if you are local.

By the way, anyone knows how to remotely fire a rocket? any set up pictures to share with?

Mike

FEJ does put a surcharge on their orders for accepting PayPal, it's 1%.........

does FEJ have a business account? if not then after XXX $$ transaction in a given time frame PayPal puts a hold on the account till it's upgraded to business account.

Hi Dave i ordered on the 16th Dec yours should not be long i have found FEJ good to there word,damage matters are being resolved they have been quick to respond regards Keith

HI Mike i did not use black tubing i used BVM clunk tube inside tanks but with the light clunks it curled up and stayed in the front of the tanks,i have now made some heavier clunks [15grams] on my lathe from brass and have used Tygon tubing,i have filled the tanks and drained them, Now they empty to the last drop regards Keith

Joe/Guys

These two photos are from the F-16’s manual #103 and 104. Notice that they are two different setups. One has 3 servos with white arms operating 3 valves. I suspect one each for brakes, retracts, and doors.

The photo has two servos with black arms operating 2 valves. I suspect the brakes and the retracts. I also see what appear to be a Jet-tronic Single Action Proportional Brake Valve and Jet-tronic Super Flexible Gear Door Sequencer. But if the Jet-tronic brake valve is used, then what I suspected above isn’t true.

So tell me, anyone, in the second photo, what are those servos, valves, the Jet-tronic devices used for?

I was going with a UP3 for gear door sequencing using only two servos, but looking at that photo, I’m confused.

How many air tanks come with this bird: two, three? If two, then two of the three functions (brakes, retracts, and doors) uses one tank - correct?

Other:

Where is everybody? I know where you are, Mike—in China having a ball [:@]

Mr DJ

Mr DJ,

The second photo shows two servos controling gear and door the jettronic valve is used for the brake. I am separating my tanks, using one for the gear and door and the other one for brake.
I am in process of plumbing and having a bit of problem with the door valve. I am not sure what is going on but it seem to be leaking. When I try put the piston in the position for the gears to close, they close fine, but the door does not close and I can feel/hear the air coming out of the door valve. if the door cylinders are fully extended then the air seems to pass through the cylinder and goes through the other end without pushing the door shut. I wonder if anyone else had this problem????/

Regards,
Mike

Mike, Kool Beans…

So I take it that the sequencer has air lines going to and from it but the device itself needs no servo—is that because it has a lead to plug into the receiver?

So one would need both devices – the sequencer and the brake valve? Hum, that seems like a lot and a lot of money when a single valve would work like the setup in photo 1.

My plan is to use a UP3 and one valve and one servo for the retracts and the doors. This is how my YA F-15 is set up. Then use one valve and one servo for the brakes.

Comments, anyone?

Thanks…

Mr DJ

DJ,

In the second photo the two servos control air valves for gear and for doors. The sequencer is an electronic device that controls and sequences the two servos and is connected to the gear channel. So with that set-up you use one channel, two servos, and two air valves to control gear and doors.

If you use a UP3 valve it pneumaticly sequences the gear and doors. So you use one channel, one servo and one UP3 air valve to control gear and doors.

Also in that photo it shows a Jet-tronic brake valve. Its advantage is that it connects directly to the receiver. It replaces both the servo and the air valve and gives proportional brake control, rather than on/off.

The way I did my gear & doors, in the section you highlighted, I used the air valves that came with the plane. I required two channels and two servos.

The other option for brakes is a pneumatic proportional brake valve, such as the UP6 or BVM Smoothstop. They require a servo to operate them. I am going with a UP6 valve on mine.

Mike,

At first my door cylinders did what you are experiencing. After exercising the cylinders a few times they started to work fine. I guess the o-rings needed to seat themselves. If yours still leak try injecting some lube into the cylinders.

Joe

Joe

This sounds interesting… …so the sequencer controls two servos—it allows the 1st servo to open the doors and operates the gear via the 2nd servo—correct? But one UP3 does the same—correct (I know it does, but correct)?

And the brake valve allows you to slow down your bird to a complete stop verses hitting the switch and full lockup occurs—correct?

It sounds like the UP6 does the same as the brake valve—correct?

If so to the UP3 and UP6 doing the same as all the other gadgets, wouldn’t it be cheaper and lighter just to go with the UPs?

Thanks…

Mr DJ

Has anyone built and flown the Rafelle yet................ I am getting a terrible urge

Dennis

bigplumbs,

Mine just got shipped (hopefully, the weather is pretty bad over there). I willpost some photos when I get it.

I also oredred the F-16 Cockpit, which I will post some photos of it also.

Regards,
Mike

I will have my Rafale (Tiger Meet) before the end of the Chinese New Year. Got a P60 waiting for it.

This is a bit small, so I chose Tiger Meet for better visibility.

Mike

Mike,

How much was the F-16 cockpit?

Joe

Hey Joe,

The price I was quoted was (I think) $75.

BTW, I cycled the cylinders quite a few times and added thin lube, but still have the problem. When I hookup the hand pump to the individual cylinders, they work fine. It may be a input pressure issue. I will try to fill the air tank up with 100 psi and see if that would take care of it. I checked the valves, they do not leak. I do have a bit od side loading on the nose cylinder, that also may be and issue.

regarsd,
Mike

Hi ,i had this trouble with mine as i have said before, there is an O ring on the end of the cylinder where the shaft comes out i had air leaking from this as well as air getting pass the O ring in the cylinder any side presure will cause this to leak, no matter what i did it would not hold air over night in the up and down postion,s,It is a good idea to use both tanks linked together this gives more volume,brakes are used at the end of a flight and are not that important.regards Keith


to check rams put air pressure on one nipple at a time and place in water there should,nt be any bubbles do like wise with the other nipple

Hi Mike, in your travels to china have you seen the Rafale's? Do you know if they're on schedule with them? I'm anxiously awaiting mine They had told me early to mid february but then I asked about the chinese new year so they said probably early to mid march after that
Jeremy

Hi Jeremy,

I saw the Rafale in the early prototype stage and they were still modifying the molds. I believe that they will release it in March. February is too short to get anything done in addition to the severe weather in China. This Rafale is about the size of AV Rafale. A bit small, but seems to be an easy plane to fly. I am building a traveling case for it so I can fly it anywhere.

Mike

Hi Mike,
Thanks for the info. I figured it was the same size(ish) as the avonds rafale or the small aviation design rafale. I have a PST600R here that I'll use in it. Sent them my money not realizing that it wasn't finished being prototyped yet :P everything with the company seems on the up and up so far though so I'm not concerned, just anxious

Hi All i have installed one of Mikes tanks and fitted wing tanks and side winders regards Keith