Well as they say...each is to their own. Every body is entitled to their opinions of course.

and_des, your engine is what size did you say...? Thanks

I heard that before all those fancy engine were available here a lot of guy's were running those in there buggy, if i believe what the guy told me at the LSH (he's been in racing for a long time now) those are top of the line engines, and they make engines for other well none companies out there don't ask me which one I don't remember, They are made in France. The TM323 is a .23 5 ports and if you go with the kit it include the engine, pipe and manifold. They don't give any info about rpm's and hp but by what i've read on the net. they have enough power to turn your Revo on the top even if you change the gearing.
http://www.rbproducts.com/mainEn.php

direct drop in and it comes with its own enige mount and the Traxxas electric start fit on it.

To me personally in the traxxas line-up the revo was the most versatile (for racing and bashing) i have looked at the savage x by what i can read in there forum there's a lot of problems with this truck and the lst2 it's really nice and has good reviews everywhere but to big for my personal liking and what's making me happy is a revo 3.3

Yes 46u those are the cone shaped things I was talking about.
If using the racing clutch while bashing aree you more likely to get dirt inside clutch bell and on shoes?
I postd a link to my order as of now, I still hae a few things to add but if anyone had time just to check the bearings and clutchbell and make sure its what I need. Thanks

Also how do the lst2 and revo compare to each other as far as speed.handling, power, and torque?

I know the body I'm oredering won't fit good but I figure I can practice painting it and all I want it to do is be able to stay on when I have it on the shelf.

Last question And des where do you put the primer before or after fuel filter. I bought the primer for myself and bought someone the 2 in 1 as a b-day gift.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wto0149p

The link you posted says your shopping cart is empty. I run the Race CB on my Savage with out a problem and I have one on the way to put on my MT. I like the Race CB because it is lighter, clutch runs cooler and from what I read on HPI web site is stronger as it is the one they say you have to run if you run a steel spur gear. I run and have no problem with the plastic, which HPI says you can all so run with the Race CB with.

As far as the LST2 and the Revo since I race all out speed does not matter and do not know which is fastest I have never own either but I am around both a good bit and drove both. I much prefer the LST2. All I can say is if I were to buy a new monster truck to race I would get the LST2. If I were going to buy another truck to bash would be another Savage. In my opinion and from the service my Savage has given me compared to what I have seen from others the Savage is the toughest truck made. All so the Savage can be made very competitive on the track. I know more people then not that end up taking the Traxxas engine out of their Traxxas vehicles and putting something else in. There is a reason for this just read this tread and others. All so I do not know many people that keep the stock radio in their Revo as I have heard bad things about them. The LST2 comes with a JR FM radio. In my opinion you buy any Traxxas you have to get read of to much stuff and up grade right of the bat and you end up with a whole lot more money in it then the LST2. I would be more incline to by a Traxxas if they made kits with out the engine and radio. Revo is a good truck just I like others better. One thing about the LST2 parts is not as easy to get as they are for the Revo.

As far as handling I think the LST2 handles as well as the Revo or better from what little driving I have done with both. Being the LST2 is a big block I would think it has more torque.
I am sure if you buy either one you will enjoy whichever one you get.

As far as the Savage X goes if you read what people that have been in the hobby for a while and know what they are doing that own one do not have as much or any problems with it. The ones not all but most that are having problems are people new to the hobby and I have never recommended a monster truck for a fist time RC truck. I will say at this point I would not swap my older Savage for an X. But I will be changing the bulkheads and differentials so I can get to them quicker not because I have ever had a problem with mine but because I want to be able to get to them to use different weight differential oil for different tracks. Being I only run a 2 speed do not need the quick access trans case and the X only has the 7mm lowered the transmission and engine. At some time I am going with the LCG chassis, which lower the center of gravity on these by 12.mm.

Well I think you do have some valid points there 46u. I did just that and plan to do more.

I think the staock radio reciever is better than what I have ever got from hpi yet its not as good as the Lossi. But I have checked out this truck and to be quite honest I like alot about it. Yet its an outdated design even though it functions more than well enough, there are other aspects that you are perhaps over looking about the Revo. For example, the shock design is worlds ahead of what is out there (although copied from F1) and they are inboard therefore they are far less affected by dirt and all the other crap that is on the track. they donot get oiled up from exhaust fumes and also have a far more liniar travel than most which is more conducive to better handling. The chassis design is far more stronger to direct impacts when compared to most flat chassis bottom designs. The servo action is far better and more resposive to the servo input than most traditional designs and has a standard servo saver under the platform. The undercarage is amazingly well thought out and has some very intellegent aspects to it than more thanmost do not have including my MT and savage. I have never raced the savage but I have used a set up that was extremely well done and have a direct comparison of the two. But every model has some draw backs of course.

I agree with you there about the radio unit, but most pro races do this anyway as they would normally buy digital set ups like the Futaba 3PK Titanium Black Synthesized Tx Only 75MHz or somethiing similar...perhaps the M11 + Spektrum DSM System Combo system...? It all depends on budget and how much and how well you race. Most do not trust their very expensive machines with lesser quality units.

But I guess they try to fullfill the mainstreem markets as such.

Hey, I could go on about its design factors and that of the 10 top models and give you some factors for and against either.

The new 3.3 engine is nothing fantastic and most certainly not enough for me...I still do not understand why they did not put a .26 in there...?

And on that note, I just got some upgrades like and_des, some that are superficial - yet functional. The 3 shoe flywheel is good to direct both cool air and hot away as well as fly the dirt away from the CB.


Ofna .26 Picco Max EZ-Start 1 184.99
Ofna Engine Mount Revo 1 18.39
Ofna Back Plate Torque Start 1 14.69
Traxxas Adjustable Rear Brake Kit Revo 1 17.49
Traxxas Digital Temperature Gauge On Board 1 19.99
Ofna Aluminum 3-Shoe Clutch Purple 1 21.99
Ofna Flywheel Taper 3-Pin Fan 1 24.49
Traxxas Aluminum Pushrod Revo (2) 2 18.58
Integy Alloy Battery Box Cover Silver Revo 1 15.69
Integy Alloy Receiver Box Cover Silver Revo 1 18.39

I am very big on F1 and will be watching the race later today so I understand about the shocks. All so I do not do HPI RTR as after my original Rush all my HPI have been kits. It has been over 5 years since I got my Rush so I do not remember about the radio in it, as most of my stuff has been upgrade to FM. As far as shocks I do not see this use on 1 to 1 trucks. I am not saying the shocks on the Revo are not good.

I all so take very little stock in magazine reviews as how many times have you seen a bad review as the magazine makes most of there money selling advertising to the RC world and if they give a bad review what is this going to do?

If you like your Revo that is all that matters and I am happy for you.

You should be able to get away with ball berings (not needle) for any HPI clutch bell heavy duty or not I've used them in Clutch bells all the way down to 11 tooth on my MT2. Note on non heavy duty and especially smaller tooth CB you will need to stack multiple berings to make up the gap or use washers. It took 3 and a small brass washer in a 12 tooth non-heavy duty for example.

Thanks again 46u, I ddon't know why the cart is empty it not when I click on it, must only work from my IP address.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=HPIC0021&P=7
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There is the clutch bell and bearings. Has anyone ever used the golden horizon brand stuff on the MT2?

I will not ever run a standard CB again as it wears faster then the plastic spur and then do to the wear on the CB it wears out the spur much faster. My spur on my Savage has held up much better then the one on my MT so that is why I am going to upgrade to the Savage set up. Yes I do wish they made something smaller then 13 teeth on the heavy duty CB but so far I have not needed any thing lower on my MT and only go down as low as 16 teeth on my Savage.

If you want to run ball bearings in you standard CB you need two 5x8mm bearings and one 5x8mm flanged bearing.

Actually I took the MT2 out for a rip today after getting it all set up for the offroad bash, adn boy, that ofna .21 8 port really is a fast machine. I had it on the track today and it just flew past everything that was on the track. I had to gear it down a bit and simply let the engine torque its way around the place. great for those instant punches for the corners after the triples or jumps in general. But...there's always a but...got a bit too snazzy on one of the corners and landed on a tyre edging surrounding the outside of the track, damage control went off the bloody radar though. I have to get another servo saver set up on the MT2 cause the one on there now is bollocks. The horshoe spring was not doing its funky springy thang adn my car would not turn just as I put moderate power down out the corner and...hello tyre, bang...! ouch...[:-]

but I have to get some more tyres and I likes the ones you had bought 46u, those tyres you had were a nice choice actually...

These are the bearings I am going to use, as they are cheaper.
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Yes that is the CB I have on the way other then I am getting the 13 teeth as I run on a very tight track.

I was at the track yesterday for about 7 hours in 97-degree weather. At 52 this is getting harder but thanks to my mother and youngest daughter getting me an easy set up canopy for my birthday makes things much better. You would not believe all the stuff I take when I go to the track and most of the time only take 2 or 3 RC trucks. I have a good size car and I just about fill it up. There is not even enough room for another person.

.21 in a MT has to be a hand full. On the small tight track I run on my old OS. 15 CV-RX works well. I agree a .18 would be nice but for now I will have to stay with my .15. I do have an OS .18 TZ new in the box but I am afraid on the track I run on would be too much.

You can get ceramic bearings too...just another option!

I agree and you sure will pay for them!

Its a handfull but with the right practice its a weapon on the track. But our track is VERY large and one has the option of racing with a 2 speed, so the .21 is perfect for it. But if its too light then its just out of control, so I have put on some things to moderate it.

Hey jpep, are you rebuilding your car or just the running gear...?

actually here in J-land they're not that expensive. ButI have to wait until I go to the city and buy all my supplies cause at the moment Im packed out in Nagaoka...yada!

I do see where ceramic bearings would be nice in some places but the CB is one I would not thing it would help much since the clutch is engaged more then not so you are not using the bearings much. On the ceramic bearings can you run them dry with out lubrication?

Went to the track this morning the race was canceled because of the rain we received during the night but some of the guy's where running on the oval for the fun of it. All i can say is that 18cvrx was giving a hard time to those much more expensive buggy the only thing that kept me back was the suspension set up on my truck it's to soft for those high speed corners and the back wheels always wanted to pass the front ones and i was keeping up with those UMT giant with no problem at all.

simienastro did you have a chance to look at the TM323

And des, how did you do at the races? How does your MT2 compare to the other trucks as far as handling and power off the line. Do you run on an dirt oval or a dirt course? Earlier you said you'll try and stay out of peoples way so that leads me to believe that the savs and tmaxxs will win hands down. Where I thought the MT2 would do better and have more speed through turns.
Now it's time to vent, 1. that damn 125cc tank I finally got it shaved down and ready to go in I never noticed that the stupid nipple goes over the screw hole, some design that is. Do you need to thread lock, teflon tape or pipe dope the nipples when putting them in the gas tank? Also will my tank eventually strip if I constantly have to remove nipple to get at screw to take of tank (when cleaning or checking spur after a hard day of bashing) and I'm so ticked off I forgot the other thing because I just got up and saw my batteries that only had 15 mins left to charge are ice cold and charger is off for some reason, now I have no idea how long to charge them. Oh well I figure another hour.

For that nipple i've put some rtv high temp sealer and when i need to remove my tank i unscrew the tank post from the chassis easy and simple.

Are their any hex screws that I can use to screw in the engine to the chasis..

I would think with hex bolts the head would be to big and not fit in the recesses in the chassis.

Oh ok, Also is their an engine that could push this car past 60mph?