Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
01-13-2008 | 10:29 AM
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I'll let Mike go into detail as he was flying it. But it suffered some type of radio problem on take off on a practice flight at the Jacksonville Meet last Sept.
It hit the ground hard and shredded, ouch....
It hit the ground hard and shredded, ouch....
01-13-2008 | 11:58 AM
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I'll chalk it up to a ghost in the machine....
I took off for a practice/trimming flight and it locked out about 6 feet high, 2/3 throttle. Then it started rolling left and hit on the wingtip...scattered candy apple red shrapnel about 100 yards. I still don't know what happened, everything works.
But that's life with r/c planes. Sooner or later you're going to lose one....or 2 in my case.
-Mike
I took off for a practice/trimming flight and it locked out about 6 feet high, 2/3 throttle. Then it started rolling left and hit on the wingtip...scattered candy apple red shrapnel about 100 yards. I still don't know what happened, everything works.
But that's life with r/c planes. Sooner or later you're going to lose one....or 2 in my case.
-Mike
01-13-2008 | 01:51 PM
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Looks like my glassed based is getting lighter already. I lost .1 oz with the the cure. I am now at +3.70 for the complete but untrimmed, un-sanded glass base. I'll have a good 1-2 hour sanding session getting ready for the first stage of primer. I am going to let the plane site for at least another 24 hours. So I think it would be really neat if I can get it under +3 oz at this point, we will see.
The fuse is resting nicely, getting harder by the hour
01-14-2008 | 09:12 PM
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I started sanding the glass base tonight. I am working outside under my point light, it's dark and cold out tonight, it's in the 40s tonight.
I first weighed the rough trimmed fuse . I am now at +3.65 oz with the final cure and rough trim. I am going to start working with 150 grit on my larger 3M block sander, I got this from Lowes or you local hardware.
I uses this large foam sleeping/camping pad on a 30 x 72" table. Just start working the block. Do wide passes with the block, you will be making lot's of white dust, use compressed air, make sure you have an air cleaner. I have both a large moisture trap air cleaner at the tank and this little turbo air cleaner at the air gun. You can get these little turbo in-line air cleaners at you local auto paint shop. The last thing you want to do is spray your plane down with nasty slimy water.
You can see in the close up shot, the texture that you are trying to sand off. The raw surface will looks like cracked hard mud - I guess. You can see it in the close up. Overall the surface has a white milky - frosty look to it.
What you are trying to do is sand off all the micro balloons right down to the top of the cloth. The 150 cuts well. Also notice you will have to change the paper about every 15-20 mins the paper will get coated and will just not cut as well. Just keep working the block it's really a big mess and should be done outside an always use a dust mask.
As you remove the balloons the fuse will get more of it's balsa color back. Just take your time and keep your eyes on what your doing, don't sand thru the glass.
01-14-2008 | 09:24 PM
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While I am sanding I am using the point light source as a tool. Rotate the fuse and use the edge of the light, where the shadow starts to view your surface. Even the most minor surface defect will be really easy to see. All bumps, cracks, clumps, ridges, low spots, high spots will just jump out in 3D. This is a major time saver and will help you achive a better surface to paint on. Keep you eyes on your work and always be looking at what your working on, don't let your mind drift and sand in robot mode, you will screw up almost right away. If you oversand thru the glass, it will cost you a days cure cycle, as you might have to glass in a patch.
01-14-2008 | 09:41 PM
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After about an hour, it got a bit too cold and it was getting late enough to call it quits for the night. I brought the plane into the shop - under the shop lights. It's weird how your eyes adjust, you are now able to see the surface differently, your able to view the surface as more of a whole. I noticed I may be less than half done with the surface prep. Looks like I'll need at least another one hour session to get all the way down to the weave over 100% of the airframe.
The fuse went back on the scales, I am now +3.3 oz. wow - I am thinking that I could be at +3 oz or maybe slightly better for the glass - and that my friends would be "super awesome". I'll be back on her tomorrow. At this point I am not in too big of a hurry, my paint booth is an unheated 2-car garage (really not that big of a problem here is the southeast USA) and there is a major winter storm coming and it's going to be too cold to paint for a couple days. That's ok, I've got some graphics to cut and ship...
till the next time.....
Cheers!
Dean
The fuse went back on the scales, I am now +3.3 oz. wow - I am thinking that I could be at +3 oz or maybe slightly better for the glass - and that my friends would be "super awesome". I'll be back on her tomorrow. At this point I am not in too big of a hurry, my paint booth is an unheated 2-car garage (really not that big of a problem here is the southeast USA) and there is a major winter storm coming and it's going to be too cold to paint for a couple days. That's ok, I've got some graphics to cut and ship...
till the next time.....
Cheers!
Dean
01-15-2008 | 01:16 AM
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Awesome Dean! Glad it's going so smoothly (pun intended).
While Dean is doing the finish on this thread, have a look at [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6872498/tm.htm]Don Szczur's build thread[/link] on the VF3. Don is known for being extremely thorough on his threads. Hopefully Don will catch some of the details Dean and I may have overlooked simply by taking it for granted and not thinking about it.
It's really cool that Don likes the plane that much...and I hope he does well with it. Actually after seeing him fly it, I'm really optomistic that it will be a good match for him and he can enjoy competing with it. I'm very honored and really excited to have Don as part of all of this. I can already tell by the pics he is going to do an awesome build!
Anyway, back to it....
-Mike
While Dean is doing the finish on this thread, have a look at [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6872498/tm.htm]Don Szczur's build thread[/link] on the VF3. Don is known for being extremely thorough on his threads. Hopefully Don will catch some of the details Dean and I may have overlooked simply by taking it for granted and not thinking about it.
It's really cool that Don likes the plane that much...and I hope he does well with it. Actually after seeing him fly it, I'm really optomistic that it will be a good match for him and he can enjoy competing with it. I'm very honored and really excited to have Don as part of all of this. I can already tell by the pics he is going to do an awesome build!
Anyway, back to it....
-Mike
01-15-2008 | 10:55 AM
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That's Awesome that Don Szczur is building and will soon be flying a Black Magic.
too cool!
That's Awesome that Don Szczur is building and will soon be flying a Black Magic.
too cool!
01-15-2008 | 11:25 AM
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Hey Mike, just fly one next time you get the chance....and have a really close look at how it's built. You Chicago guys have all the necessary ingredients: skill and an actual building season 
The plane goes together like lightning. I'd say 60% of the work is just sheeting the cores, which is nothing out of the ordinary. Building the fuselage and assembling the plane is probably only 10% of the work...the rest is in the details and finish. There is just nothing hard at all about these planes. I'd say it's no more work than building a composite kit. Maybe only slightly, depending on the quality of the composite kit in question. In some cases, MUCH less. FWIW I can frame one in less than a week, ready for finish. 4-5 days if properly motivated with do distractions...
The really nice thing in my opinion is that while I prefer glass and paint, I kept the shapes designed with an easy monokote finish in mind. Even the fin transitional area isn't too radical.
My thought was to try and break the stigma of what a wood plane was. My previous experience was with Typhoons etc. WAY too many parts for my taste. You could build 10 of these in the time it would take to build one Typhoon. The other one was somehow wood planes got the reputation of not flying as well as the top of the line latest and greatest composite overseas jobs. In my personal opinion, that has been totally reversed. Most of THEM don't fly as well as the VF3. And the ones that do, add a 25 mph breeze and watch the difference....that part has to be seen to be believed. If/when I discover why that is, I'll let you know...I plead luck. But it was a pleasant suprise!
Not saying it's perfect, but it's certainly not a compromise on any level. That was the whole idea....an option to what else is out there.
Don suprised me, and I admit I'm a bit flattered. he flew it after the Huntsville contest, and seemed to like it. 2 days later I got a call that he was in Atlanta and wanted to fly the plane some more, so I met him at the field. He wrung it out through everything we could think of. I asked him to tell me if he felt anything that might could stand improvement...nothing. he said it was a good, honest airplane that did everything he told it to do, predictably. And he made it look GOOD. Beyond that you'd have to ask Don, but when he asked me how to get one, I told him I was buried in work and he would have to build it...and he said sure. Judging by his pics and methods so far, he's not going to have ANY problem. I will see to it that he has another one built by me by the team trials. If he flies even as well as he flew the red plane at GMA, he's going to be one to watch this summer, and has just as good of a chance as anyone else I've seen. Would that not be really neat for the grass roots of US pattern?
So, that coupled with a few suprises I know of, this is likely to be a great year for the US pattern plane makers and the guys that fly them. Great and exciting times, my friends!
-Mike
The plane goes together like lightning. I'd say 60% of the work is just sheeting the cores, which is nothing out of the ordinary. Building the fuselage and assembling the plane is probably only 10% of the work...the rest is in the details and finish. There is just nothing hard at all about these planes. I'd say it's no more work than building a composite kit. Maybe only slightly, depending on the quality of the composite kit in question. In some cases, MUCH less. FWIW I can frame one in less than a week, ready for finish. 4-5 days if properly motivated with do distractions...
The really nice thing in my opinion is that while I prefer glass and paint, I kept the shapes designed with an easy monokote finish in mind. Even the fin transitional area isn't too radical.
My thought was to try and break the stigma of what a wood plane was. My previous experience was with Typhoons etc. WAY too many parts for my taste. You could build 10 of these in the time it would take to build one Typhoon. The other one was somehow wood planes got the reputation of not flying as well as the top of the line latest and greatest composite overseas jobs. In my personal opinion, that has been totally reversed. Most of THEM don't fly as well as the VF3. And the ones that do, add a 25 mph breeze and watch the difference....that part has to be seen to be believed. If/when I discover why that is, I'll let you know...I plead luck. But it was a pleasant suprise!
Not saying it's perfect, but it's certainly not a compromise on any level. That was the whole idea....an option to what else is out there.
Don suprised me, and I admit I'm a bit flattered. he flew it after the Huntsville contest, and seemed to like it. 2 days later I got a call that he was in Atlanta and wanted to fly the plane some more, so I met him at the field. He wrung it out through everything we could think of. I asked him to tell me if he felt anything that might could stand improvement...nothing. he said it was a good, honest airplane that did everything he told it to do, predictably. And he made it look GOOD. Beyond that you'd have to ask Don, but when he asked me how to get one, I told him I was buried in work and he would have to build it...and he said sure. Judging by his pics and methods so far, he's not going to have ANY problem. I will see to it that he has another one built by me by the team trials. If he flies even as well as he flew the red plane at GMA, he's going to be one to watch this summer, and has just as good of a chance as anyone else I've seen. Would that not be really neat for the grass roots of US pattern?
So, that coupled with a few suprises I know of, this is likely to be a great year for the US pattern plane makers and the guys that fly them. Great and exciting times, my friends!
-Mike
01-15-2008 | 04:50 PM
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I am no Don Szczur by any stretch of the imagination, and when it comes to building, I am not even Don Knotts, but I have to say that so far I really like the way the plane goes together. I am not intelligent enough to imagine how in blue blazes someone could frame one of these up in a week though. I have been nearly six months, admittingly working on it two days a week, to get it to this point. That is still about 48 building sessions. I am probably one of the slowest and least experienced builders in the whole pattern forum so that should be taken into consideration.
I have to agree with Mike that there really isn't anything particularly difficult on it, even for a hack like me. I have to really thank Mark Atwood for holding my hand along the entire way. He has taught me how to correct just about every mistake I can make, and I have made some real head scratchers. You should see the look on his face when I complete a step and say "why does it look like that"? [X(] He has this expression that is kind of a combination of puzzled amazement with a hint of sadness and bewilderment.
With any luck, a lot of fuel, and some time to practice, I will be collecting advanced points all over D4 this year on my way to a district championship
I'll keep my fingers crossed that mine is built straight and light enough to make me look good. Now if Mike could just design one to keep me from flying the wrong maneuvers.
Anthony
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I have to agree with Mike that there really isn't anything particularly difficult on it, even for a hack like me. I have to really thank Mark Atwood for holding my hand along the entire way. He has taught me how to correct just about every mistake I can make, and I have made some real head scratchers. You should see the look on his face when I complete a step and say "why does it look like that"? [X(] He has this expression that is kind of a combination of puzzled amazement with a hint of sadness and bewilderment.
With any luck, a lot of fuel, and some time to practice, I will be collecting advanced points all over D4 this year on my way to a district championship
I'll keep my fingers crossed that mine is built straight and light enough to make me look good. Now if Mike could just design one to keep me from flying the wrong maneuvers.Anthony
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01-15-2008 | 05:17 PM
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Anthony you're very fortunate to have Mark close and willing to guide you through this. You simply can't lose.
The plane looks fantastic! (And now I know what you look like!) I see mark eyeballing that stab...LOL I HATE stabs. I don't know why. I always have to futz over them to make them fit just right. You can do the math, everything is straight, everything lines up and checks, and still, once in a while that root just doesn't look quite right. So, ya tweak and sand...and all is well. It's the tweaking and (MORE) sanding that makes me nuts I think...
I can build one that fast for only one reason: I designed it, so I spend absolutely zero time thinking about it. I just "do". if I could make epoxy and pulyurethane and white glue cure faster, I could do it in about 3 But there is an awful lot of time spent wondering how to best approach a step. All I can give is guidelines, and even those are somewhat sketchy....but they work. I don't know of anyone who has failed at building one yet. But this isn't a race, so however long it takes, it's worth it. What you get in the end is something you can't just go out and buy. It is solid, and has your personal touch...it's truly "yours".
I hope you do fantastic with it up there! I'll be up there for a contest sometime this year. You can bet your bottom dollar I'll be back for the Districts, that was FUN!!! (And mark runs a great contest....but that Saturday night is something that has to be experienced!)
Anyway I'm glad you like it. You'l love it when you get a few flights on it!
-Mike
The plane looks fantastic! (And now I know what you look like!) I see mark eyeballing that stab...LOL I HATE stabs. I don't know why. I always have to futz over them to make them fit just right. You can do the math, everything is straight, everything lines up and checks, and still, once in a while that root just doesn't look quite right. So, ya tweak and sand...and all is well. It's the tweaking and (MORE) sanding that makes me nuts I think...
I can build one that fast for only one reason: I designed it, so I spend absolutely zero time thinking about it. I just "do". if I could make epoxy and pulyurethane and white glue cure faster, I could do it in about 3
But there is an awful lot of time spent wondering how to best approach a step. All I can give is guidelines, and even those are somewhat sketchy....but they work. I don't know of anyone who has failed at building one yet. But this isn't a race, so however long it takes, it's worth it. What you get in the end is something you can't just go out and buy. It is solid, and has your personal touch...it's truly "yours".I hope you do fantastic with it up there! I'll be up there for a contest sometime this year. You can bet your bottom dollar I'll be back for the Districts, that was FUN!!! (And mark runs a great contest....but that Saturday night is something that has to be experienced!)
Anyway I'm glad you like it. You'l love it when you get a few flights on it!
-Mike
01-15-2008 | 09:12 PM
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Hey Mike, just fly one next time you get the chance....and have a really close look at how it's built. You Chicago guys have all the necessary ingredients: skill and an actual building season
The plane goes together like lightning. I'd say 60% of the work is just sheeting the cores, which is nothing out of the ordinary. Building the fuselage and assembling the plane is probably only 10% of the work...the rest is in the details and finish. There is just nothing hard at all about these planes. I'd say it's no more work than building a composite kit. Maybe only slightly, depending on the quality of the composite kit in question. In some cases, MUCH less. FWIW I can frame one in less than a week, ready for finish. 4-5 days if properly motivated with do distractions...
The really nice thing in my opinion is that while I prefer glass and paint, I kept the shapes designed with an easy monokote finish in mind. Even the fin transitional area isn't too radical.
My thought was to try and break the stigma of what a wood plane was. My previous experience was with Typhoons etc. WAY too many parts for my taste. You could build 10 of these in the time it would take to build one Typhoon. The other one was somehow wood planes got the reputation of not flying as well as the top of the line latest and greatest composite overseas jobs. In my personal opinion, that has been totally reversed. Most of THEM don't fly as well as the VF3. And the ones that do, add a 25 mph breeze and watch the difference....that part has to be seen to be believed. If/when I discover why that is, I'll let you know...I plead luck. But it was a pleasant suprise!
Not saying it's perfect, but it's certainly not a compromise on any level. That was the whole idea....an option to what else is out there.
Don suprised me, and I admit I'm a bit flattered. he flew it after the Huntsville contest, and seemed to like it. 2 days later I got a call that he was in Atlanta and wanted to fly the plane some more, so I met him at the field. He wrung it out through everything we could think of. I asked him to tell me if he felt anything that might could stand improvement...nothing. he said it was a good, honest airplane that did everything he told it to do, predictably. And he made it look GOOD. Beyond that you'd have to ask Don, but when he asked me how to get one, I told him I was buried in work and he would have to build it...and he said sure. Judging by his pics and methods so far, he's not going to have ANY problem. I will see to it that he has another one built by me by the team trials. If he flies even as well as he flew the red plane at GMA, he's going to be one to watch this summer, and has just as good of a chance as anyone else I've seen. Would that not be really neat for the grass roots of US pattern?
So, that coupled with a few suprises I know of, this is likely to be a great year for the US pattern plane makers and the guys that fly them. Great and exciting times, my friends!
-Mike
Hey Mike, just fly one next time you get the chance....and have a really close look at how it's built. You Chicago guys have all the necessary ingredients: skill and an actual building season
The plane goes together like lightning. I'd say 60% of the work is just sheeting the cores, which is nothing out of the ordinary. Building the fuselage and assembling the plane is probably only 10% of the work...the rest is in the details and finish. There is just nothing hard at all about these planes. I'd say it's no more work than building a composite kit. Maybe only slightly, depending on the quality of the composite kit in question. In some cases, MUCH less. FWIW I can frame one in less than a week, ready for finish. 4-5 days if properly motivated with do distractions...
The really nice thing in my opinion is that while I prefer glass and paint, I kept the shapes designed with an easy monokote finish in mind. Even the fin transitional area isn't too radical.
My thought was to try and break the stigma of what a wood plane was. My previous experience was with Typhoons etc. WAY too many parts for my taste. You could build 10 of these in the time it would take to build one Typhoon. The other one was somehow wood planes got the reputation of not flying as well as the top of the line latest and greatest composite overseas jobs. In my personal opinion, that has been totally reversed. Most of THEM don't fly as well as the VF3. And the ones that do, add a 25 mph breeze and watch the difference....that part has to be seen to be believed. If/when I discover why that is, I'll let you know...I plead luck. But it was a pleasant suprise!
Not saying it's perfect, but it's certainly not a compromise on any level. That was the whole idea....an option to what else is out there.
Don suprised me, and I admit I'm a bit flattered. he flew it after the Huntsville contest, and seemed to like it. 2 days later I got a call that he was in Atlanta and wanted to fly the plane some more, so I met him at the field. He wrung it out through everything we could think of. I asked him to tell me if he felt anything that might could stand improvement...nothing. he said it was a good, honest airplane that did everything he told it to do, predictably. And he made it look GOOD. Beyond that you'd have to ask Don, but when he asked me how to get one, I told him I was buried in work and he would have to build it...and he said sure. Judging by his pics and methods so far, he's not going to have ANY problem. I will see to it that he has another one built by me by the team trials. If he flies even as well as he flew the red plane at GMA, he's going to be one to watch this summer, and has just as good of a chance as anyone else I've seen. Would that not be really neat for the grass roots of US pattern?
So, that coupled with a few suprises I know of, this is likely to be a great year for the US pattern plane makers and the guys that fly them. Great and exciting times, my friends!
-Mike
01-16-2008 | 05:51 PM
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Mike,
I can not tell you how fortunate I am to have Mark helping me throughout this build. He is an incredible resource and a credit to the pattern community. He has opened his home to me and shared his precious family time and free time with me. I can not thank him enough.
On the airplane. So far I love it but I am keeping my fingers crossed until I have about two thousand flights on it
I am already proud of it and love being able to share highlights of the build with everyone here and everyone in the local club that will listen. Just about everyone in the northeastern Ohio RC community has either seen the pictures on my camera or heard about the airplane.
I can not tell you how fortunate I am to have Mark helping me throughout this build. He is an incredible resource and a credit to the pattern community. He has opened his home to me and shared his precious family time and free time with me. I can not thank him enough.
On the airplane. So far I love it but I am keeping my fingers crossed until I have about two thousand flights on it
I am already proud of it and love being able to share highlights of the build with everyone here and everyone in the local club that will listen. Just about everyone in the northeastern Ohio RC community has either seen the pictures on my camera or heard about the airplane.
01-16-2008 | 05:59 PM
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Feel free to post as many pics as you'd like! This is your thread too!
I'm really glad to hear you are enjoying it. This plane has been a LOT of work for me, but extremely rewarding and worth every second and every penny
-Mike
I'm really glad to hear you are enjoying it. This plane has been a LOT of work for me, but extremely rewarding and worth every second and every penny
-Mike
01-17-2008 | 08:46 PM
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Hey Anthony,
Great work my friend, like Mike says this is your thread too! Please post more pics and I do wish more guys out there would post more pics.
We hit a cold spell down here in the Atlanta and it's been too cold for me to prime. It actually snowed 2 inches yesterday and it's still freezing. Hopefully I'll be painting soon....
cheers all!
Dean
Great work my friend, like Mike says this is your thread too! Please post more pics and I do wish more guys out there would post more pics.
We hit a cold spell down here in the Atlanta and it's been too cold for me to prime. It actually snowed 2 inches yesterday and it's still freezing. Hopefully I'll be painting soon....
cheers all!
Dean
01-17-2008 | 10:34 PM
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Well the tech sheet says 65F, you can use it to around 55, I usually over reduce and that helps. The primer is a little less critical, the color is a little more critical and when you shoot clear you better have everything just right.
it's been near 32F the last couple evenings when I would be priming, just too cold, I have to use space heaters in my garage and they just don't get it warm enough when it's this cold.
it's been near 32F the last couple evenings when I would be priming, just too cold, I have to use space heaters in my garage and they just don't get it warm enough when it's this cold.
01-17-2008 | 11:01 PM
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The temp is same here in high 30's and low 40's. I thought of using a dish heater from Costco (1500 watts and good radioation) and prime it with brush out side home. Not sure if that is a good idea.
01-17-2008 | 11:24 PM
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you can do the priming outside at that temp, but use a foam roller and over reduce the primer by adding about 2 more parts reducer.
Use the foam roller for the first coat, it will help eliminate pinholes in both the composite parts and the glassed wood fuse. Use BVM pinhole filler on the cowl and chin.
once the primer kicks (after about 30 - 45 mins) you should be able to bring it inside and not stink up your house with a lot of fumes.
the k-36 primer really sets off a lot of urethane paint fumes when it flashes, last winter I primed a belly pan for one of the v2 I was rehabbing in my basement, I just figured since it was a small item and I wasn't spraying that it shouldn't be too bad, well I was really wrong. It's bad....
just let it flash outside, when it's dry enough to the touch, just bring it in and it shouldn't be to bad. The primer isn't that critical and you will be sanding about 85% of the first coat off anyhow.
For second coat of primer, want to spray on an even coat of k-36 reduced 50%. you just want even coverage - then sand it with 400 - wet or dry. then you will be ready for you base white.
You don't want to use more than 2 coats of primer. and you want the total thickness of primer to be as thin and even as possible....
you could actually just shoot base white after your first coat of rolled on primer.
Use the foam roller for the first coat, it will help eliminate pinholes in both the composite parts and the glassed wood fuse. Use BVM pinhole filler on the cowl and chin.
once the primer kicks (after about 30 - 45 mins) you should be able to bring it inside and not stink up your house with a lot of fumes.
the k-36 primer really sets off a lot of urethane paint fumes when it flashes, last winter I primed a belly pan for one of the v2 I was rehabbing in my basement, I just figured since it was a small item and I wasn't spraying that it shouldn't be too bad, well I was really wrong. It's bad....
just let it flash outside, when it's dry enough to the touch, just bring it in and it shouldn't be to bad. The primer isn't that critical and you will be sanding about 85% of the first coat off anyhow.
For second coat of primer, want to spray on an even coat of k-36 reduced 50%. you just want even coverage - then sand it with 400 - wet or dry. then you will be ready for you base white.
You don't want to use more than 2 coats of primer. and you want the total thickness of primer to be as thin and even as possible....
you could actually just shoot base white after your first coat of rolled on primer.
