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Old 05-02-2010 | 09:50 AM
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Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

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It can be done. i just can't remember which system you need to use. I was told that the RCCommand battle system will allow this, so I would think that the DBC would also. I dont want his to become a big debate about those two all over again so I would contact both and ask them.
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It can be done. i just can't remember which system you need to use. I was told that the RCCommand battle system will allow this, so I would think that the DBC would also. I dont want his to become a big debate about those two all over again so I would contact both and ask them.

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Agreed, I would just like to do both. I like my airsoft, but would like to IR battle them as well. I only live about 5 hours from Danville, so I would love to be able to tank with those guys. I see merits in both systems. Just seems a shame no one has come up with a dual system to satisfy both markets.


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Two tanks, each with different systems. They are cheap enough to have duplicates.

Man, only 5 hours away? Must be nice, it's over 13 (or so) hours for me. []


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what is neccesary to have ir? not very familar with it but creepingdeaths new gun system uses a new type of airsoft gun. how much ir stuff goes into the turret? i know you need an apple on top but does a module go into the turret? i talked to cd about this a little they said that dry firing their gun wont wreck it at all. and it fires using a single burst of current. so with ir do you use the left stick to fire the ir gun? i must admit this would be quite cool to be able to paintball fight and have ir all with the cool recoil effects. I have seen some raw footage of the cd gun in a tiger and it is very nice. i'll always like airsoft but just having ir would be nice too.
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Two tanks, each with different systems. They are cheap enough to have duplicates.

Man, only 5 hours away? Must be nice, it's over 13 (or so) hours for me. []


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Jeff,
Times are tuff. Some of us need to economize. I wanted the new H an L Panther, but had to settle for a PZIV from raidentech ( hope it arrives OK ) so a comprimise would definitly work.

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Two tanks, each with different systems. They are cheap enough to have duplicates.

Man, only 5 hours away? Must be nice, it's over 13 (or so) hours for me. []


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Jeff,
Times are tuff. Some of us need to economize. I wanted the new H an L Panther, but had to settle for a PZIV from raidentech ( hope it arrives OK ) so a comprimise would definitly work.

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Jim,

Sorry to hear that times are tough for you and you need say no more for I am no stranger to that situation. In my world when things get rough the hobby is the first thing to go, let alone thinking of economizing or in this case, compromising.

If you knew anything about these boards you would know they cannot do both IR and AS as a completely redesigned system would have to be built. Maybe you could be the pioneer of such a system and have a supplemental income on the side to support your hobby?


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I am all confused. wouldnt a rx18 support ir? now if a dbc unit is the common ir module how many volts does it take to trigger? i'm just not seeing why the 2 systems could not work together? i have no clue how a dbc works, hell not even sure how ir works on a rx18. but wouldnt it the ir system have to turn on and turn off? if both ir systems work with aisatam and hl recoils i cant see a problem with airsoft too.
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Two tanks, each with different systems. They are cheap enough to have duplicates.

Man, only 5 hours away? Must be nice, it's over 13 (or so) hours for me. []


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Jeff,
Times are tuff. Some of us need to economize. I wanted the new H an L Panther, but had to settle for a PZIV from raidentech ( hope it arrives OK ) so a comprimise would definitly work.

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Jim,

Sorry to hear that times are tough for you and you need say no more for I am no stranger to that situation. In my world when things get rough the hobby is the first thing to go, let alone thinking of economizing or in this case, compromising.

If you knew anything about these boards you would know they cannot do both IR and AS as a completely redesigned system would have to be built. Maybe you could be the pioneer of such a system and have a supplemental income on the side to support your hobby?


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He he he he he, If I could do such, I may not have found myself in the situation I'm currently in. It's not so bad, after all, I did come up with some spare $ to buy the new tank after all, even if I had to trust Raidentech. There's folks out there losing houses and no food on the plate. No I have nothing to feel bad about.

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I was considering an option to install muzzle flash while retaining the airsoft unit. Not sure how the IR electronics would set up since I don't own it......but having a muzzle flash and airsoft would be quite easy to do.
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I am all confused. wouldnt a rx18 support ir? now if a dbc unit is the common ir module how many volts does it take to trigger? i'm just not seeing why the 2 systems could not work together? i have no clue how a dbc works, hell not even sure how ir works on a rx18. but wouldnt it the ir system have to turn on and turn off? if both ir systems work with aisatam and hl recoils i cant see a problem with airsoft too.

My thoughts exactly. I mean like I said, you may have to unplug one system to run the other, or at least have a switch interface between the two systems. In basic thought, it should work, in reality I don't know and don't have the expertise to figure it out. That's why I'm hoping some of the RC wizards will take an interest.

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first off we need to know how the dbc fires. from there it would be a good start. any dbc owners out there?
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Well sarge if you want to go too Danville you should really consider a system that makes it Tamiya compatible obviously. Although I have very good relations with bill at RCC the DBC system can be used with a good hobby grade radio and reciever which would really be a big plus. Get away from the cheap AM frequ systems (HL) and go with the DBCRC2. You just need to work out a way to get a gun flash incorperated into the works. One way to do this is get an Asiatam FO turret for the IR system. It's a good option . Costs as much as another tank so Jeff is correct too, Just buy another tank to set up FO IR. Then you can have the best of both worlds and gives you an excuse too get the CO at the house too allow you to get another tank LOL.
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Considering the Tamiya IR tank. Adding the converting to Airsoft may not be that difficult.

Off the top of my head it seems the recoil unit could be replaced with the airsoft unit as it actuates when firing already and delivers voltage to the unit until switched out by limit switch.

This setup may allow for both IR/AS operating at the same time (minus recoil).
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All,
Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

Jim

Hello 1sgt,

With the DBC/ DBU or the DBCRC2 IR battle systems you can easily have a tank that will do both IR and Airsoft! Nothing special, the 2 DBC systems uses the Heng long K buttom to FIRE the IR LED,,, so not a problem with the left stick up for Airsoft BB fire!

The only problem you could run into is with some clubs that want a cannon flash,, they may just accept the tank rock, that shows that you fired, and that is why they want to see a cannon flash anyway! Or you could mount a flash on the mantle or put it in a spot light setup or something! But electrically there is nothing special you need to do!

Now to be a little fancy you could put a micro switch in the radio at the base of the left stick forward. This will allow you to shoot IR and Airsoft at the same time!


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Well sarge if you want to go too Danville you should really consider a system that makes it Tamiya compatible obviously. Although I have very good relations with bill at RCC the DBC system can be used with a good hobby grade radio and reciever which would really be a big plus. Get away from the cheap AM frequ systems (HL) and go with the DBCRC2. You just need to work out a way to get a gun flash incorperated into the works. One way to do this is get an Asiatam FO turret for the IR system. It's a good option . Costs as much as another tank so Jeff is correct too, Just buy another tank to set up FO IR. Then you can have the best of both worlds and gives you an excuse too get the CO at the house too allow you to get another tank LOL.

Kitty G ( just kidding, a pun on the sarge usage)
That is also another option, but I had to send my wife to Europe to visit family just so I could get another tank. Going that route, I may have to send her on a world cruise next LOL. Thanks for all the ideas.

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All,
Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

Jim

Hello 1sgt,

With the DBC/ DBU or the DBCRC2 IR battle systems you can easily have a tank that will do both IR and Airsoft! Nothing special, the 2 DBC systems uses the Heng long K buttom to FIRE the IR LED,,, so not a problem with the left stick up for Airsoft BB fire!

The only problem you could run into is with some clubs that want a cannon flash,, they may just accept the tank rock, that shows that you fired, and that is why they want to see a cannon flash anyway! Or you could mount a flash on the mantle or put it in a spot light setup or something! But electrically there is nothing special you need to do!

Now to be a little fancy you could put a micro switch in the radio at the base of the left stick forward. This will allow you to shoot IR and Airsoft at the same time!


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Blitz,
See I knew someone out there would know, also thanks for the other ideas. Not sure a radio TX switch would be a good idea. I could get worked up in a battle and accidently turn to airsoft. Some guy with a $1,000 Tamiya may not appreciate that. I was thinking of locating the change over switch on the body of the tank. Now I just got to put some $ aside for the project. I'm hoping Torpedo Chief will get interested and do a tutorial. What ya say Chief Aye -aye

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Well my Kitty Panther is now over the 2000.00 $ mark so yeah that would be a really bad idea of accidentally hitting airsoft   Sarge.
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All,
Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

Jim

Hello 1sgt,

With the DBC/ DBU or the DBCRC2 IR battle systems you can easily have a tank that will do both IR and Airsoft! Nothing special, the 2 DBC systems uses the Heng long K buttom to FIRE the IR LED,,, so not a problem with the left stick up for Airsoft BB fire!

The only problem you could run into is with some clubs that want a cannon flash,, they may just accept the tank rock, that shows that you fired, and that is why they want to see a cannon flash anyway! Or you could mount a flash on the mantle or put it in a spot light setup or something! But electrically there is nothing special you need to do!

Now to be a little fancy you could put a micro switch in the radio at the base of the left stick forward. This will allow you to shoot IR and Airsoft at the same time!


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Blitz,
See I knew someone out there would know, also thanks for the other ideas. Not sure a radio TX switch would be a good idea. I could get worked up in a battle and accidently turn to airsoft. Some guy with a $1,000 Tamiya may not appreciate that. I was thinking of locating the change over switch on the body of the tank. Now I just got to put some $ aside for the project. I'm hoping Torpedo Chief will get interested and do a tutorial. What ya say Chief Aye -aye

Jim

If and WHEN you ever get a $1,000.00 Tamiya tank you would feel the same.


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Well my Kitty Panther is now over the 2000.00 $ mark so yeah that would be a really bad idea of accidentally hitting airsoft Sarge.

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See I am thinking of the other guy. 1SG's always take care of troops.

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All,
Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

Jim

Hello 1sgt,

With the DBC/ DBU or the DBCRC2 IR battle systems you can easily have a tank that will do both IR and Airsoft! Nothing special, the 2 DBC systems uses the Heng long K buttom to FIRE the IR LED,,, so not a problem with the left stick up for Airsoft BB fire!

The only problem you could run into is with some clubs that want a cannon flash,, they may just accept the tank rock, that shows that you fired, and that is why they want to see a cannon flash anyway! Or you could mount a flash on the mantle or put it in a spot light setup or something! But electrically there is nothing special you need to do!

Now to be a little fancy you could put a micro switch in the radio at the base of the left stick forward. This will allow you to shoot IR and Airsoft at the same time!


the Blitz

Blitz,
See I knew someone out there would know, also thanks for the other ideas. Not sure a radio TX switch would be a good idea. I could get worked up in a battle and accidently turn to airsoft. Some guy with a $1,000 Tamiya may not appreciate that. I was thinking of locating the change over switch on the body of the tank. Now I just got to put some $ aside for the project. I'm hoping Torpedo Chief will get interested and do a tutorial. What ya say Chief Aye -aye

Jim

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Jeff,
That's why I think a seperate manual switch would be safest. I know what you all have invested and do not want to even chip the paint on your commanders hat visor LOL. Safety first.

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All,
Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

Jim
What you say, I've made,and the IRbattle system compatible with tamiya.

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All,
Just wondering if anyone has a tank that can do both airsoft and IR battling?? I would think that it could be done ( granted, you would have to unplug and plug in the different systems depending what you wanted to do ) as well as not having barrel recoil. I think it would bring the two phases of the hobby in sync. I would love to IR battle, but I also like my airsoft guns( my dogs and cat hate them though lol). My limited electical knowledge ( being able to solder two wires together without burning myself is a feat) doesn't allow me to do it, but if some of you braniacs look at it. It could happen. Here's to tanking.

Jim
What you say, I've made,and the IR battle system compatible with tamiya.


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Can you tell us about it like how you built it etc. Thanks.
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first off we need to know how the dbc fires. from there it would be a good start. any dbc owners out there?
I have the DBU in my HL IR KV 1. I got my DBU from Phil at RCtankwars.com I highly recommend him for your needs. He is a great guy and fantastic vendor. As for the KV 1 conversion with the DBU, it was fantastic and very simple to do. The conversion was made simpler because I used the red LED in the gun barrel for the flash. It works OK but I will convert it to a strobe very soon for added realism. If fights very well for a stock HL and asside from being too slow (it will need better motors) and too litle gun depression. it is a very good fighter. I has 7 or so days of heavy fighting and still no trouble at all. The KV 1 has over 10 kills now and my daughter used it all weekend in Danville in April. The IR version is better suited to TBD/DBU battles than airsoft version IMHO. Bob, thecommandernj
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Bob, does the DBC unit eliminate the freeze issue in the tank? Actually considering the DBCR2 so I can use my hobby radio, but I really get irritated when I try to turn and the tank is unresponsive....so I have to turn again. Not sure if this is just an RX18 issue or transmitter issue, but both my Tiger and KV do this.

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