Randy Thanks for the input. I have a way's to go before I can check the CG or the total weight.
Jim good lock at the fly in.
Has anyone got any color photos of the Cost Guard C130? Thanks Rich

http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/squadron.htm

Try that site for photos

Mark

http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/image.htm

oops, I meant this one but it almost gets you to the same place.

Mark

Baldeagle

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/

Type uscg in lowercase for USER ID. Type uscg in lowercase for PASSWORD
and type c-130 in the search

Enrique

The only difference I can see is the weight in the wing. I haven't weighed the wing, but I would say that is where the extra weight is. This was the first F/glas fuse I built so I did a lot of experimenting. Pehaps that also added weight.

I did use two flight packs, one with bat. pack is in the tail. The other is in the nose. I wanted to keep some distance between them to prevent any glitching. I was concerned the wiring harness in the wing cross connected to the fuse would act as an antenna and cause a problem. That was the reason I used dual flight packs. One pack is for the fuse and does not electrically connect to the wing flight pack. Don't worry though if you forget to turn one on it won't fly. If the wing is on the plane won't taxi. If the fuse is on,, the engines won't power up. So build in dummy factor for me.

I would not use the sorgum (sp?) again for wing sheeting. I have had a delamination problem on both wing join points.
I slit the trailing edge of the wing and injected epoxy into the wing and resealed the wing sheet and so far it is holding. The problem occured where the end of the wing joiner tube ends on the center wing section. I made 1 hard landing on the first flight and this caused wing flex and therefore apparent shearing of the adhesive bond. Had I not caught this the wing could have failed in flight.

I also have a retract nose which could be weight. The flight pack in the tail is probably balanced by weight in the nose. If I removed the flight pack from the tail I probably could drop 1# on total weight by relocation.

The spray latex paint was also a first and I probably used too much paint and this also added weight. A better paint would have helped.

Yes I am planning to go to Mobile, but don't have the details on location. I just heard about it yesterday the scale event. I will publish more details. I am concerned that if there are strong cross winds close to the water I might not get to fly. The wing low method in cross winds doesn't give you much tolerance.

Thanks Mark and Enrique for the web sites. Their is a lot to chose from. I have a ways to go before I am ready to paint. Rich

INFO.. I do plan to take the C130 to the Mobile flyin given weather permits. It will be at the Battleship Alabama Park in Mobile Ala. If anyone wants directions email me and I will send you a map. It will cost you $2.00 to enter the park and $5.00 if you want to fly in the event. Food and drinks will be available with a candy drop for kids. If you need more info email me.

The date is 10/30/04 Gates open at 8 AM.

Jim

I confirmed that the Mobile Fly in is still on and I will be there. Note from Club pres.

"The Scale Fly-In Scheduled for 30 Oct will be going on at the Battleship Park, Mobile Al on this date.Come early Breakfast will be served, Gate opens at 0700AM, Food all day."

Edwin:

Thanx for the info on the Chervon paint...will call them this morning....hopefully they'll have what I need....................

Just an update. Special thanks to the folks in Mobile for hosting the fun fly this weekend. I flew the C130 on demo flights at the event. On the second flight I lost the #3 engine and made a 3 engine traffic pattern to normal landing and taxi back. The plane was shut down in the normal parking spot. Examination of the plane determined the fuel tank developed a leak and lost fuel in flight. There was enough fuel for 3 minutes of an 8 minute flight. Take off was normal and after 3+ minutes the #3 engine flamed out. When you install your tanks be sure you have no through bolts (I did) which can rub the tank and vibrate a hole through the side wall.

Otherwise great flights, Complete flight #31 and engine out Flight #2

Bill good seeing you made it to the event. Jim

Well Guys, the Mobile fly-in was a great one to go to if you want to see the scale stuff in a not so crowded environment.
YES... the C-130 of Jim's is on tape with the engine out. Jim you did a great job with the plane. I am going to attempt to post a picture of the engine out as soon as I convert it to jpg. I also have some highlights of the event on DVD if anyone wants a copy. Just email me and we can work something out. Nice to met you Jim, and I will probably be calling on you soon to help setup the engines on the wing.
Everybody..... it does fly..... Jim can land on 3 engines.... and YES.... the crowd loves C-130's!!!!

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Great pics Bill. Thanks for taking them. I never have a time to take pics when Flying the herk. Closer examination of why the engine quit. I was right the tank leaked the fuel and quit in flight. The reason it lead is the dumb thumb who put the tank together forgot to tighten the screw holding the rubber stopper in the Dubro tank. Dah,, wonder who did that? . It took me only a few minutes to pull the engine nacell and fix the problem. About 10 minutes from start to finish. I did photo the nacell taken apart and will add to this note. Bill once again, nice meeting you and I am willing to help any time. PS I drink coors.

There are many screws to tighten. It is everything by four, besides to arm everything an airplane.

Enrique

OK Jim, tell us-did your curiosity get the best of you and you ended up pulling all four nacelles to check the tank screw!
Randy

Wow! great shots! Except for the taxi pictures, it would be almost impossible to tell if it's the real thing or not.

I'll keep the tanks in mind when I get to that point on mine(palmer - 11') for sure!

Randy now you have asked the real question. Have I pulled all 4 nacells? [&o] No,, but I did do #3 and thought about the others.

But consider there were some indicators of problem before the flight. There was fuel leaking from the nacell just prior to take off and the engine was running ok,, I thought just what vented out of the vent line. (two line tank with 1 to muf. std) But I should have looked closer. The loose screw was the one on the stopper on the Dubro tank that I forgot to tighten. I guess the assembly line for 4 engines missed one. It was tight enough in the tank to work for a while until pressure moved the plug forward with vibration.

Everything else is tight, and no other engine is leaking or cycling.

One other indicator I should have seen was the engine needed 1 click change richer on the needle on that 1 engine prior to flight. ( I do use a precision tac prior the the first flight to confirm engine settings). The saito's need little if any adjustments so when just 1 of 4 needs adjustments it is time to look around.

Besides How else could I practice an engine out approach and landing. The only thing I forgot was to call the tower and declare and emergency.

Ok,, I have a sense of humor this morning.. too windy to fly winds 10 G to 20,,

Ya'll have fun and lets fly.

Anyone know the standard lighting locations and configs for a typical Air Guard C-130? William Robison answered the question a while back, but I cannot locate the post. Any help will be appreciated.
Bill R.

Billy:

Again: One white/clear light on the tail, visible from top, bottom, both sides, and the rear. Not visible from the front. Left wing tip: Red light, Right wing tip, Green light. Wing tip lights are to be visible from the side, top, bottom, and the front. Left light not visible from the right, right light not visible from the left. Visibility of the wing tip lights from the rear quarter is not required, but not prohibited.

Recommended for anti collision is a strobe light centered on the top, and a second centered on the bottom, of the fuselage. Not sure if the strobes are required in any class of aircraft, they are seldom seen on military planes but almost always on commercial carriers.

Bill.

Yes, as he stated above, red anti-collision light, left wing tip. blue/green anticollision light right wingtip. white(yellowish) on beavertail(actually two seperate lights, arranged like: sideways 8). Landing light in each main gear door, Landing light in the forward edge of each wingtip, retractable landing/taxi light inboard of external fuel tanks. bottom strobe just aft of nose gear, can be switched either red or white. Top strobe(depending on model) is halfway between wing and vertical stab on top of fuselage, also can be switched either red or white. Some models have their top strobe on top of the vertical stab, again either red or white. Also, fuselage light on both sides just forward of the props, pointed at the wingtips(inspection lights). Hope this helps... If I get a chance (I work on these-they keep us busy), I'll post some pics.

Guys... I got started in this hobby back in 1998 I built a Tower Trainer and quickly fell in love with planes and flying... one of the first planes I started to look around at and ultimately caught my attention was the C-130. I immediately started searching everywhere for more information on kits, plans, details about building this plane. Very quickly I came across Joe Grable (sp?) down in florida who scaled up the plans he bought from Palmer. So in 1999 I ordered my set of Plans for this beautiful bird. And so those plans have sat for 5 years now awaiting some motivation to break them out and start the process of building this incredible plane. In that time i have built a few other intermediate planes and now am thinking about the next project to throw on the board. The reason I am telling you this is that i have spent the past several days reading through this forum, and I gotta say this is the exact reason I love this hobby. You guys are awesome! To share the information you have, the share your stories of flying this plane and in general to create excitement about this plane is absolutely admirable. I have contemplated ordering the short kit from precision kit cutters or ordering the wood and doing it myself or perhaps going the fiberglass route. Clearly from this forum you guys have covered this spectrum of these options and I feel much more confident that I can come back to this group for help when I get started. I don't have a timeframe in mind for this bird to get started except to say that sooner is now more necessary than later, but I do have to say you have inspired me to pull those plans out and start considering what lies ahead. Additionally I would like to thank you all for sharing so much of the details and pictures to help make this a much easier road to travel. Jim and Randy and others you have some beautiful planes and they look great. Keep up the great work and thanks again for making this so much fun!

Ken

Welcome aboard Ken. Lots of good information in this thread.
Mark
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Welcome aboard Ken. Anything I can do to help let me know. I've only built one plane from plans, an A-26 Invader. Took me quite awhile though. My Herk is done as the AC-130 version. If you really want to get a jolt, watch the video of one in action in Afghanistan at: <aviation explorer.com> Great site with lots of interesting videos.
Randy

What a great forum! I have been wanting to build a Herc from scratch for many years...even have a set of prints from
Lockheed somewhere. Also have a couple of others I have purchased. All are way too small and I need to scale them up.

Somewhere in a post someone mentioned software that he used for wings....does anyone have any idea what I am looking for?

I simply must build a herc....1/12 scale hopefully.....I flew in Hercs in the 60's as a loadmaster...1500 hours and loved every minute of it except when the A/C system went wierd on us...sometimes snow inside the plane and sometimes very hot.

As I said, this forum is absolutely fantastic....keep up the great work guys.