C-130 updates
11-08-2004 | 11:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: cwrr5
Yes, as he stated above, red anti-collision light, left wing tip. blue/green anticollision light right wingtip. white(yellowish) on beavertail(actually two seperate lights, arranged like: sideways 8). Landing light in each main gear door, Landing light in the forward edge of each wingtip, retractable landing/taxi light inboard of external fuel tanks. bottom strobe just aft of nose gear, can be switched either red or white. Top strobe(depending on model) is halfway between wing and vertical stab on top of fuselage, also can be switched either red or white. Some models have their top strobe on top of the vertical stab, again either red or white. Also, fuselage light on both sides just forward of the props, pointed at the wingtips(inspection lights). Hope this helps... If I get a chance (I work on these-they keep us busy
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Yes, as he stated above, red anti-collision light, left wing tip. blue/green anticollision light right wingtip. white(yellowish) on beavertail(actually two seperate lights, arranged like: sideways 8). Landing light in each main gear door, Landing light in the forward edge of each wingtip, retractable landing/taxi light inboard of external fuel tanks. bottom strobe just aft of nose gear, can be switched either red or white. Top strobe(depending on model) is halfway between wing and vertical stab on top of fuselage, also can be switched either red or white. Some models have their top strobe on top of the vertical stab, again either red or white. Also, fuselage light on both sides just forward of the props, pointed at the wingtips(inspection lights). Hope this helps... If I get a chance (I work on these-they keep us busy
), I'll post some pics.
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11-08-2004 | 11:25 AM
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Very quickly I came across Joe Grable (sp?) down in florida who scaled up the plans he bought from Palmer. So in 1999 I ordered my set of Plans for this beautiful bird. And so those plans have sat for 5 years now awaiting some motivation to break them out and start the process of building this incredible plane.
Ken
Very quickly I came across Joe Grable (sp?) down in florida who scaled up the plans he bought from Palmer. So in 1999 I ordered my set of Plans for this beautiful bird. And so those plans have sat for 5 years now awaiting some motivation to break them out and start the process of building this incredible plane.
Ken
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...-130/c130.html
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11-08-2004 | 04:32 PM
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RE: C-130 updates
Well guys, I guess the multi-bug has really gotten me. Had a couple swell flights on the Herk yesterday, weather was really perfect-clear skies, 70Ëš, 10kt wind straight down the runway. Great day. The sound of a twin is something special, but 4 engines really have the sound.
I've always wanted one of those Stafford B-24's, so I just got off the phone and have one on the way for a winter project. If it flies as good as this C-30, I'll be tickled. Weather is closing down here, so time to get building.
While I did have a good day flying yesterday, I did have one minor incident with the Herk that I'll explain later when I get it in the basement and take a couple pics to post. I'd like your assesment of it. Really strange.
Randy
I've always wanted one of those Stafford B-24's, so I just got off the phone and have one on the way for a winter project. If it flies as good as this C-30, I'll be tickled. Weather is closing down here, so time to get building.
While I did have a good day flying yesterday, I did have one minor incident with the Herk that I'll explain later when I get it in the basement and take a couple pics to post. I'd like your assesment of it. Really strange.
Randy
11-08-2004 | 05:54 PM
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Here's the scoop on the little "landing incident" I experienced yesterday.
During one flight, when I was doing a touch-n-go, I came in smooth on the mains, let the nose gear settle down, and about the time I was going to rotate again, I saw the airplane give a little shudder, and heard a noise similar to when a prop strkies the ground. I discounted that since the props are so far above the ground. I immediately cut power to idle and let the plane come to a stop, then taxied back to my end of the flight line. Several of us went out, and inspected the plane for any apparent damage, or what could have caused the shudder and noise it experienced. Finding no visible damage, engines running fine, etc, I attributed the shudder to a hole in the runway that the nose gear may have dropped into. I have a spring on the nose gear and when you take off or land, you can hear it kind of clatter when it bottoms out. The holes in our runway are coming either from Canadian Geese or skunks that are digging these silver dollar size holes about an inch or so deep, apparently looking for bugs or something. Anyway, I took off again and made a couple laps and landed uneventfully, still wondering what that noise was that we had heard. After I put the plane on the table, I was looking it over and discovered the "ding" on the fuselage side, obviously from a prop strike from the port inboard engine. It is a slice which went though the fuselage, although just barely.
Here's the kicker. There is between 5/8 and 3/4" clearance from the prop tip to the fuselage. None of us could do anything to the wing or fuse short of breaking something that would get the prop anywhere near the fuselage. There's apparently some strange forces going on during landing and take off. I can't believe that for the wing to twist that far it didn't break the 1/4-20 nylon wing bolts. Strange.
Anyway, the bird is in the hanger and is getting a complete going over before it flies again. I just can't believe that something isn't broken somewhere that I haven't found yet.
Randy
During one flight, when I was doing a touch-n-go, I came in smooth on the mains, let the nose gear settle down, and about the time I was going to rotate again, I saw the airplane give a little shudder, and heard a noise similar to when a prop strkies the ground. I discounted that since the props are so far above the ground. I immediately cut power to idle and let the plane come to a stop, then taxied back to my end of the flight line. Several of us went out, and inspected the plane for any apparent damage, or what could have caused the shudder and noise it experienced. Finding no visible damage, engines running fine, etc, I attributed the shudder to a hole in the runway that the nose gear may have dropped into. I have a spring on the nose gear and when you take off or land, you can hear it kind of clatter when it bottoms out. The holes in our runway are coming either from Canadian Geese or skunks that are digging these silver dollar size holes about an inch or so deep, apparently looking for bugs or something. Anyway, I took off again and made a couple laps and landed uneventfully, still wondering what that noise was that we had heard. After I put the plane on the table, I was looking it over and discovered the "ding" on the fuselage side, obviously from a prop strike from the port inboard engine. It is a slice which went though the fuselage, although just barely.
Here's the kicker. There is between 5/8 and 3/4" clearance from the prop tip to the fuselage. None of us could do anything to the wing or fuse short of breaking something that would get the prop anywhere near the fuselage. There's apparently some strange forces going on during landing and take off. I can't believe that for the wing to twist that far it didn't break the 1/4-20 nylon wing bolts. Strange.
Anyway, the bird is in the hanger and is getting a complete going over before it flies again. I just can't believe that something isn't broken somewhere that I haven't found yet.
Randy
11-08-2004 | 06:29 PM
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Unless you flexed your nacel which I doubt, I suspect you had something hit and pass through the prop which struck the fuse. As you pointed out you do have adequate clearance.
but then I did paint the red prop arc warning lines on mine.
Jim
You are right,, there is something special when you push the power up and hear 4 engines spool up for take off.
but then I did paint the red prop arc warning lines on mine. Jim
You are right,, there is something special when you push the power up and hear 4 engines spool up for take off.
11-08-2004 | 10:49 PM
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Randy from the sound of things I would guess the fuselage is flexing. You would think if the wing shifted any it would break the nylon bolts. Gremlins I get them too. Just my two cents. Rich
11-08-2004 | 11:13 PM
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Well, I spent the evening going over everything. Checked the entire fuselage over and found everything to be where it should be. The only damage was the one slit which, due to the "clean" cut it made, I'm convinced was made by the prop tip. I guess it flexed some way to do it. The only other thing I found, which probably had nothing to do with this, was the props being out of balance. Could have sworn I checked them all before I put them on, but the one in question was really heavy on one side, and the other 3 were out somewhat less than that one. In any event, they're all balanced now. The nacelle screws were somewhat loose on that engine that did the damage, probably to the vibration caused by that prop. other than that, I found nothing.
One reason I believe that it somehow flexed to get the prop into the fuse is because of two things I observed years ago. I had a Jemco AT-6, foam wing, fixed gear, that I sat down rather hard one day, went out and got it and when I turned it over, I had tire marks on the bottom of the wing on the monokote. I could not imagine that the gear wire flexed that much without taking the mounting block out of the wing, but it didn't.
Another time I was video taping a friends flight of his Cap 232, and he landed in tall grass and flipped it over on its top. We got the plane and saw no apparent damage to it. It was all foam, stabs and all, covered with low heat covering. When we got home and watched the video frame by frame, you could clearly see one of the horizontal stabs deflect almost 90Ëš. We were both so amazed at the video that we checked the plane again and saw no damage. Amazing!
Randy
One reason I believe that it somehow flexed to get the prop into the fuse is because of two things I observed years ago. I had a Jemco AT-6, foam wing, fixed gear, that I sat down rather hard one day, went out and got it and when I turned it over, I had tire marks on the bottom of the wing on the monokote. I could not imagine that the gear wire flexed that much without taking the mounting block out of the wing, but it didn't.
Another time I was video taping a friends flight of his Cap 232, and he landed in tall grass and flipped it over on its top. We got the plane and saw no apparent damage to it. It was all foam, stabs and all, covered with low heat covering. When we got home and watched the video frame by frame, you could clearly see one of the horizontal stabs deflect almost 90Ëš. We were both so amazed at the video that we checked the plane again and saw no damage. Amazing!
Randy
11-09-2004 | 12:56 PM
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I had the opportunity to see flex this weekend. My New Scratch Built 5.5# Kaos was flying it's 3rd flight and in perfect trim with one other plane in the air. The other plane was a 40% Extra w/ twin 15 cu in turning 32 " carbon graphite prop[
]. I was on the south end of the field 100 yards from the field completing a cuban 8 when the 3 D decided to fly south. The carbon graphite prop hit the bottom of the wing dead center of the fuselage and did they flex[:'(]. Pic below. The Extra continued to fly through the flexed Kaos going south and having great difficulty turning. The Extra returned and landed and on the landing the fuselage flexed so the prop could touch the tail. The Extra lost 1/3 of the right wing and broke the spar through the fuse. The fuse totally failed on the touchdown. The Extra and the Kaos both flexed to the trash can. []
It is due to this type of flexing that I will not fly the Herk if other planes are in the air.
and in perfect trim with one other plane in the air. The other plane was a 40% Extra w/ twin 15 cu in turning 32 " carbon graphite prop[]. I was on the south end of the field 100 yards from the field completing a cuban 8 when the 3 D decided to fly south. The carbon graphite prop hit the bottom of the wing dead center of the fuselage and did they flex[:'(]. Pic below. The Extra continued to fly through the flexed Kaos going south and having great difficulty turning. The Extra returned and landed and on the landing the fuselage flexed so the prop could touch the tail. The Extra lost 1/3 of the right wing and broke the spar through the fuse. The fuse totally failed on the touchdown. The Extra and the Kaos both flexed to the trash can. []It is due to this type of flexing that I will not fly the Herk if other planes are in the air.
11-09-2004 | 02:46 PM
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Hey guys, I am going to give it another go with the QF C -130. I originally bought one a long time ago but then sold it because I bought a house instead. After that I got wrapped up in flight training and was too busy and too broke to buy another one. Well, now I am just about done with my commercial license and I have ordered another C-130. I'm planning to put .25fx's in her since I already have 2 new ones in a P-38 I hardly fly. I think I am going to go with coast guard scheme because my olive drab P-38 is pretty hard to see once it gets below the trees on final. As for the rest I will just have to wait until she gets here so I can get familiar with it all over again. I still have the skip mast plans around here somewhere, just don't know where exactly.
I know this thread will help me quite a bit, and I look forward to getting started!
After that I got wrapped up in flight training and was too busy and too broke to buy another one. Well, now I am just about done with my commercial license and I have ordered another C-130. I'm planning to put .25fx's in her since I already have 2 new ones in a P-38 I hardly fly. I think I am going to go with coast guard scheme because my olive drab P-38 is pretty hard to see once it gets below the trees on final. As for the rest I will just have to wait until she gets here so I can get familiar with it all over again. I still have the skip mast plans around here somewhere, just don't know where exactly.I know this thread will help me quite a bit, and I look forward to getting started!
11-09-2004 | 04:52 PM
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Well, I spent the evening going over everything. Checked the entire fuselage over and found everything to be where it should be. The only damage was the one slit which, due to the "clean" cut it made, I'm convinced was made by the prop tip. I guess it flexed some way to do it. The only other thing I found, which probably had nothing to do with this, was the props being out of balance. Could have sworn I checked them all before I put them on, but the one in question was really heavy on one side, and the other 3 were out somewhat less than that one. In any event, they're all balanced now. The nacelle screws were somewhat loose on that engine that did the damage, probably to the vibration caused by that prop. other than that, I found nothing.
One reason I believe that it somehow flexed to get the prop into the fuse is because of two things I observed years ago. I had a Jemco AT-6, foam wing, fixed gear, that I sat down rather hard one day, went out and got it and when I turned it over, I had tire marks on the bottom of the wing on the monokote. I could not imagine that the gear wire flexed that much without taking the mounting block out of the wing, but it didn't.
Another time I was video taping a friends flight of his Cap 232, and he landed in tall grass and flipped it over on its top. We got the plane and saw no apparent damage to it. It was all foam, stabs and all, covered with low heat covering. When we got home and watched the video frame by frame, you could clearly see one of the horizontal stabs deflect almost 90Ëš. We were both so amazed at the video that we checked the plane again and saw no damage. Amazing!
Randy
Well, I spent the evening going over everything. Checked the entire fuselage over and found everything to be where it should be. The only damage was the one slit which, due to the "clean" cut it made, I'm convinced was made by the prop tip. I guess it flexed some way to do it. The only other thing I found, which probably had nothing to do with this, was the props being out of balance. Could have sworn I checked them all before I put them on, but the one in question was really heavy on one side, and the other 3 were out somewhat less than that one. In any event, they're all balanced now. The nacelle screws were somewhat loose on that engine that did the damage, probably to the vibration caused by that prop. other than that, I found nothing.
One reason I believe that it somehow flexed to get the prop into the fuse is because of two things I observed years ago. I had a Jemco AT-6, foam wing, fixed gear, that I sat down rather hard one day, went out and got it and when I turned it over, I had tire marks on the bottom of the wing on the monokote. I could not imagine that the gear wire flexed that much without taking the mounting block out of the wing, but it didn't.
Another time I was video taping a friends flight of his Cap 232, and he landed in tall grass and flipped it over on its top. We got the plane and saw no apparent damage to it. It was all foam, stabs and all, covered with low heat covering. When we got home and watched the video frame by frame, you could clearly see one of the horizontal stabs deflect almost 90Ëš. We were both so amazed at the video that we checked the plane again and saw no damage. Amazing!
Randy
11-10-2004 | 03:55 PM
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Bill thanks for the video of the Herk at mobile. Great shots. Perhaps you can link it here for others to see. I don't know how to make this link. Thanks again for the CD. Jim
11-10-2004 | 04:30 PM
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Jim, sad thing is... I can get it onto a dvd, but do not know where to send it for upload. The file is so big that is would not be very friendly to some sites. Although I do have the capability of cutting the video to just the C130 portion(s). If anyone is interested in hosting or knows of a locations to upload a LARGE C-130 video.. please let me know. Jim, thanks for the CD as well. How di you like the video of the second flight with the #3 out?....
Bill R.
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11-11-2004 | 10:15 AM
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Does anyone have any links where I can get some videos of Herc Models in flight? Have been a Herc freak since the 60's....1500 hours as a loadmaster. Now iI want to build a huge model....would really like to see some flight videos.
11-11-2004 | 10:38 AM
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Check these out, they've been posted here on RCU before
http://frettavefur.net/video/Herk_Flight.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/Herk_Landing.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/Herk_Take_off.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/dcp_1254.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/dcp_1255.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/Herk_Flight.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/Herk_Landing.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/Herk_Take_off.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/dcp_1254.mov
http://frettavefur.net/video/dcp_1255.mov
11-11-2004 | 03:26 PM
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Bill I thought the video of the herk was great. Glad I found the cause of the engine out. Hopefully 4 turning and going home.. vs the 3 turning 1 burning and going home[].
.. vs the 3 turning 1 burning and going home[].
Selleri,
11-14-2004 | 10:34 AM
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This thread is starting to read like War and Peace; I haven't read it all so somebody may already have posted this idea. I was watching "Tactical to Practical" on History Channel and they were talking conversion of military planes to firefighting . Part of the show showed a thing called "airborne modular firefighting system", designed to fit in the cargo bay of a transport aircraft, specifically a C-130. Sits on a double pallet with the ramp level with the cargo deck and two large nozzles (a foot or so in dia.) hanging with their tips just below the edge of the ramp, in the slipstream. Showed it in action, would make a helluva device to model on a Herk.
11-14-2004 | 01:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: khodges
This thread is starting to read like War and Peace; I haven't read it all so somebody may already have posted this idea. I was watching "Tactical to Practical" on History Channel and they were talking conversion of military planes to firefighting . Part of the show showed a thing called "airborne modular firefighting system", designed to fit in the cargo bay of a transport aircraft, specifically a C-130. Sits on a double pallet with the ramp level with the cargo deck and two large nozzles (a foot or so in dia.) hanging with their tips just below the edge of the ramp, in the slipstream. Showed it in action, would make a helluva device to model on a Herk.
This thread is starting to read like War and Peace; I haven't read it all so somebody may already have posted this idea. I was watching "Tactical to Practical" on History Channel and they were talking conversion of military planes to firefighting . Part of the show showed a thing called "airborne modular firefighting system", designed to fit in the cargo bay of a transport aircraft, specifically a C-130. Sits on a double pallet with the ramp level with the cargo deck and two large nozzles (a foot or so in dia.) hanging with their tips just below the edge of the ramp, in the slipstream. Showed it in action, would make a helluva device to model on a Herk.
