Check it out in the "Special Deals" section on the web site.

http://www.wildharerc.com/Deals/deals.html

Tell us more Tom.

I've finished the test flying, it's going to need a few changes before it's ready to sell, if ever. It flies very well, much like an Edge, no real bad habits and would be a great first biplane, very easy to fly. Only thing is it's hard to work on. I'm looking for a bipe that's easy to transport and easy to assemble at the field.

TF

I'm sorry Tom, but that's got to be the most unappealing bipe I've ever seen. I wonder how it would have looked and performed if the top wing, or both, were swept?

Hey Tom,
I think you should put a name on it. Like MUTT or POUND PUPPY. Sorry I just couldn't help it. Interesting design. I actually like it. If I had the money I would get it.
Bruce

Well, I have to agree. As soon as I saw it I started having second thoughts about the project. It really is not attractive, at least to me.

Interestingly I have had a lot of in-person comments about what a neat plane it is. I always kind of stepped back to see who was saying it and if they were winking at me or something. BUt in every case they have been serious, so I am guessing that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some people think it's cool and others think it's, well, not-so-handsome.

It still flies well, it remains a second level project for when I run out of other ideas.

For now I get to test fly the 97" Extra Special 1st unit today, this I am excited about. I also may get to test our new 120 sized Edge 540T, our first glow-sized plane.

TF


TF

Tom,

Do you ever get to sleep? It seems that you're always on the go!

A 120 sized EDGE. OH YEA. Tom I would really like to see pics of that. If it is built anything like your Gassers then it will be great. I might have to have one if they become available by Christmas.
Bruce

Good news/bad news.

The good news is the new 97" Special is absolutely wonderful. With the new airfoil it stops snaps and spins IMMEDIATELY, no over rotation at all. Every snap I did was a quarter turn short because I'm so used to timing the rotation. Also it's really stable, smooth, and looks great.

It weighs 23.2 lbs ready to fly with BME 102, 10 servos, dual Lipo 1400mah packs and regulators, etc. etc.

I think they will be available in the November shipment, I hope Ihope I hope.

The other good news is the 120 Edge weighs 11.1 lbs with Thunder Tiger 1.20, ready to fly. This is a 26oz. wing loading.

Bad news.

The 120 Edge came out tail heavy. REAL tail heavy. I won't release this plane until it can be assembled without adding ballast with a regular weight 1.20 glow engine. Other than that it should be a really neat little plane. Think Jan. Feb. for this one.

TF

I'm going to have to agree with Silversurfer here. That thing looks, like, a low wing 540T with a wing thrown on top as an afterthought. I don't think you should produce it, at least if it will look like that.

I think quite a few people were looking for something new and exciting when you first whispered things about a biplane. This is not either of these.

Sorry to sound harsh and it IS only my opinion. I really love the rest of your line - I just think this thing would stick out like a really sore thumb compared to the rest of your aircraft.

I appreciate all opinions and I don't totally disagree with you.

That's what it was supposed to look like, a bipe version of an Edge.

TF

Whew, when I clicked the link I hadn't read these replys....
Un-handsome or less than good looking are the most polite ways to describe my inital impressions....
But then look at the Balsa Nova..hardly a peach to look at but terrific to fly.
Proof is in the puddin..if it flys exceptional people will buy it...
Not this person, but others I'm sure.

Sorry Tom, I agree with your assumptions...nice plane, nudge, nudge, wink, wink....[:'(]

Tom, will you still be working on a round fuse bipe?
Sure would like to see a Pitts 12 or Mono wing Raptor from Wild Hare.

Not sure. The round fuse plane is still in the works, I'm supposed to see the 1st prototype in about a month. IF that works out there will be more.

Just FYI this round plane is coming from a different builder, the big question is will they deliver. I've had several who failed to do so, so I won't get real excited until the thing is in my workshop.

TF

Well I guess we all agree that it doesn't look to good as is. When I first saw it my initial impression was disapointmnet. BUT, don't forget the right color scheme can compliment or destroy a planes looks. With some color on her might look better.

Tom, I think we all agree that seeing a Bipe out of Wild hare would be great. I love my 540T so much I really want to get another 50cc gasser to complement her. That doesn't mean an Extra. Something completely different like a sweet bipe or (grap your socks) a 50cc gasser pattern plane maybe. If you are like me you probably lay awake at night thinking about this stuff and what will be both fun and profitable. I wonder if you have ever thought about a 50cc size classic plane (racer or utility) from out of the 30's/40's or something.like that. If I've missed it, give us a peak into the old Wild Hare "if I only could" brain box.

I think one of the hottest tings right now is a bipe and I for one would like to add one to my stable. So far to date you have only built scale models. I would live to see a 28% Ultimate. You compete against gobs of Extra's and Edges and still sell well. It hink you could hit the mark with an Ultimaet perfectly. I am not big fan of a Pitts.

No one says it has to be scale though. I think the one of the best looking planes their is, is Chip's Double Vision. Just my opinion, but I love the looks of it. None of the price though. Something bi-winged and long and sleek. Patternship type of fuse. As it has been said a good color scheme can cover a multitude of sins.

Just make it fly better than my 28% Edge. That's a tall order

Norman Ross Jr.

I'm listening, keep the comments coming.

TF

Ok,Here is my 1 1/2 cents worth.Base it on the wing of a Giles 202 where the leading edge sweeps back and it might not be so hard to look at.Call it the 'Double G'.Hey,i think i will put that one on the drawing board,(computer)make it around the same size if a 28% Ultimate.

Sumthin that looks like this.

Nice try there Slade,but YUCK!hehe,Ok now lets take the real plane into photshop.

Yak! Yak! Yak! Yak! Yak!

I vote for a Yak!

Yak? - yuk!. No seriously, coming out with just another version of another basic aerobatic plane may get some new buyers. BUT, if WH wants to expand their market, get repeat, multiple plane buyers, they need to broaden the available options. As I stated above, I'd love to get another 50cc gasser. But I don't want just another version of a Yak, Edge, Extra, etc. If I'm going to spend that much money I want some variety. A biplane, or classic racer, or pattern design meets that need.

I think Slade needs to release his rights to that idea.

Another thing for Tom to think about. While I love the bipes and a WH bipe would be nice - I wonder if the bipe market is not getting saturated. I know there are A LOT of them around; not sure if there are many 50cc versions though.

I would propose another solution for WH to expand their market. There are thousands of RC guys out there that are into warbirds and Classic designs. But once again, warbirds are all over the place and there are already several 50cc 'Stangs, etc out there. BUT, there are few classic racers/bush pilot type models out. There is a huge window of opportunity there. I would lean toward the 30's and 40's racer over a Classic Taylorcraft or Beaver only because of the "thrill factor" from a racer. Close your eyes for a minute, lean back and visualize this: A 50cc racer with a wild color scheme screaming around the field at treetop level - wow! Jeeesh, I got to go take a cold shower...

Did someone order a YAK?lol,,,,,,,,,,5 Bucks PLEASE!!hehe!

Hi Tom
I would like to add my presonnal opinion. I think there is a market for small gasser 120 size planes for the 3W24, MVVS1.6, G26 RCS140 ... The problem in that size is the small wing area (usually 850 to 1000sqin) combined to heavy plane increase the wing loading. I am using an MVVS1.6 in a 24% CA Extra300L (890 sqin, 12 pounds). I have enough power to hover and fly sportsman class but the landing is a bit tricky... Like most of plane in that size, it was very tail heavy with a glow engine. I put the MVVS1.6 in the nose and installed a mk bellcrank for the elevator and it balance right on the wing tube!

I am sure it'll be a succes if you can design a light plane under 12 pounds with 1000 to 1100 sqin wing. It would be a solution for those who are looking for an cheap entry entry level gas plane.
Daniel

SCORE!!!!
THAT"S what I'm talkin' 'bout!
Very nice...Hire this guy Tom...or make him a deal he can't refuse!
BTW, I'd still be a plaYER IN A 50CC Yak...I'm looking closley at the EF 87' Yak as a replacement for my Edge if and when that horrible day comes. (and if and when the Yak ever gets here.)

But as Scoubie has alluded to, the problem with these engines is the power to weight issue for the engines. I've had an MVVS 1.60 engine. The engines are heavy for the power that they put out. Because of the engine weight and size issue it is hard to get a properly (read that weighted) sized plane that will perform well in a full aerobatic envelop. I think it's a losing proposition until they figure out how to get more power out of these 20-30cc units. Currently it seems that 50cc is about the breakpoint were power to weight ration gives you a good 3D engine. I tried my MVVS 1.60 in a couple of planes. In both cases either the plane the motor fit and balanced in was to heavy overall for the horsepower or the plane came out way to nose heavy - all related to the engines power output versus it's size. Stick with the 50cc size planes for now.