I have one question. Why dont you want to stand up the plane? After doing engines this way I have done every plane I build this way.

Good deal for someone in the immediate area. Good for a new owner, and probably better for the plane as well.......

I too would like to complain but mine is regarding quality and durability. I built a nice cradle for my SU-26 to ride on in the back of my newly built plane box. Can you believe that someone rear ended me and damaged the covering of my plane. I mean really..........I would expect Tom's plane to hold up flawlessly in a car crash (it is made of super durable crash resistant balsa. The nerve of putting out such a fragile plane.. Seriously though, my heart was broken not from my trailer being dinged up but the impact caused the plane to bottom out on my cradle. Dummy me, I let the cradle support the plane just in front of the landing gear where there is 1/16" balsa sheeting (should be enough support huh?.....I am a dumb a$#.) Anyway, I have some repair to do. As Tom told my buddy.....its usually the beaters that fly best anyway. Cheers.

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I wouldn't put this on Tom. I think that Tom has to have a general expectation of skill when someone is interested in buying something like this, regardless of what they tell someone about their building skills. I have built much smaller ARF's that were a lot more difficult than this one.

What $300?? Its obviously completly ruined and worthless, I meen it has 4 holes drilled in the wrong place on the firewall... I really think your over reacting. If you cant get it together without help then your prolly not ready to be putting together a 50cc gasser on your own anyway no matter who its from.

Calm down, get some help, learn some stuff, and enjoy a great flying plane.

Can anyone tell me what the exact color of the Honda Sukhoi red covering. I think it is missile red by Monokote.

im pretty sure its Ultracote true red :
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HANU866

Yeah I think Tom said it is True Red..

That it is.

Hi all
Having just read all this ?????? from some guy that should not be let loose building anything past a pizza, can we all move on. This has been up till now a very very good build thread from some very clever people and I personally have leaned heaps and could not have built this model without the help of all concerned. I also read this entire thread BEFORE i started to build. SO moving right along could someone tell me what the "stand up method" of centering your motor is, personally I have never heard of it and would like to know??. It had crossed my mind that it could be a form of contraception sorry!!
Lee

I hung mine by the landing gear so the nose was pointed straight up. Then I put the engine where I thought it should be. Put the cowl on and got the engine lined up in the cowl (make sure the cowl is centered and positioned properly before centering the engine in the cowl). Then carefuly removed the cowl (without moving the engine) and mark the holes. Its also a good way to get your cowl holes marked to get it lined up as well. I did both at the same time, cowl first then engine.

Tom goes over it is his manual. But all it is is standing the fuse on its tail before you attach the rudder and taping it to something like a table and level it off and setting the motor on top of the motor box and fitting the cowl and centering the engine and marking the mounting holes and drilling thats about it in a nutshell but Tom lays it out very well in his instructions!!!

Yeah righto that makes alot of sense, I just finnished a comp arf 2.12 and you have to set the thrust and the off set as the fire wall is dead straight. Then thats what I thought aeromoddelling was all about, the building of these things is so much of the fun, challenge yourself, learn things. Ok thanks for that will keep in touch.
Lee

I read this stuff and can not belive that when people purchase products mail order that have limited ability and then exepct help over the phone. After Deathbunny hung his plane and mounted the engine, he brought it into my store and I cut the cowl for him(even though he bought it off the internet). His next plane a Hanger nine carden yak, had a evo 58 which I helped him mount.(which basicly means I did it while he bugged me to hurry up). We did this flat on a work bench the it was designed to be done. This is called customer service. You guys want to save $3.00 on a a million dollar purchase but when it goes astray there is no-one to help. I help all my customers to the best of my ability, and when I can not help I set them up with other customers who can and usaully are eager to do it. You know- share thier knowledge ! Support you local hobby shop and you will all be better off.

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If you don"t and it goes astray SHUT UP YOU!

Thats true I was always behind the local shops......until......I got into stuff you can't buy from Tower Hobbies, since thats where they get it from. Thats when I got the blank stare everytime I wanted something trick, and at my shop there was a famous 3-D pilot that goes by the first name of Yuri behind the counter. And when they did "special order" something it would get lost in UPS for a month or two. I think they just wanted me to go away. Now, I'm not speaking for all shops, I'm sure there are great ones out there. But I'm sure this guy with the template problem has never flown anything that you can't buy from Tower Hobby. Thats why he's so hung up on Aerowerks and Hanger 9 cause you can't pick up a magazine without seeing one so they must be perfect. Let him get one of those and not only will he get the engine on perfect but it will even fly itself and prove that it was the right choice

You must shop at the wrong places. In my store what customers want we sell. When I order 1 item for a customer I back it up with 4 more for the next guy. The customer base dictates whats I sell not the other way around. As for the "BIG GUYS" they sell main stream and can not offer the personal service I am talking about. You never wait more than 3 working days for me and if I can not get it you will know up front. I am able to do this because the hobby is not my sole means of support. Customers have "INtERNETED" the shop owner to death. My last word - support your local shops or they wont be there.

A missed firewall drill is not the end of things.....Simply glue in some hardwood dowels in the holes and drill some new one's!

I have done this with great success many times! Engine changes, used birds, measurement mess up's you name it I have done it LoL.

WONT hurt a thing!

Are you all fired up cause I said I wanted an OMP Fusion?

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I forgot all about that. Now that you mention it [:@]

While a big mob of you are on the line, tuning a DA50R from brand new and not run in, probably only 1 tank full through, do they seem to run rough at mid range and do they gey better as they run in. Or again is it just me not getting it right. I have tried to follow a couple of tuning guides, but managed to find 2 that were written by the same person (i think) but said 2 different things?????????. does any one have a good start point set up so I can at least run the engine and fly the plane without being half scared to death that it will 4-stroke and stop way out in the boondocks, I can seem to get the top end good and the idle not bad and it starts pretty good, but the mid range sounds like I have chooks under the cowling
Any help apprieciated
Lee

Lee,

What the heck is a "chook"? Must be one of those down under diseases. I don't have a DA, just a couple of DL's, but at one tank full don't mess with it. Wait until you've got a gallon or so through it. It takes some run in time before they start to smooth out, then tune. Don't run it too lean and don't run it too rich. Too rich and it will carbon up real quick.

Chuck

Chuck
A chicken!, What you mob no idea LOL, Ok cool just fly it mate!!!!!
Thanks a lot
Lee

Lee,

What you are experiencing is rather common for the make, although the mid range does clean up a little after a few gallons of gas. In the end you'll be able to tune one end or the other really well but if you want a good mid range something else will suffer. Going for the best top end you can have with the leanest safe low end will be about the best that will happen. There have been some that did well in all areas, but a lot have not. Genrally even the rough ones manage to stay running when inverted at mid throttle.