I didn't see a reply to the prop question from raideron:
http://www.apcprop.com/cgi-bin/store...uct=3D_Fun_Fly

If someone already answered sorry. ha

I am curious to hear if anyone has flown this thing with the ys 1.10 and the 17x4w apc. I still can't believe the way the plane acted with that combination. It locked into hovers like it just sat in a chair. I could just about drink a cup of coffee while it was hovering. Then the harriers were easy too. I had never really done either one of these before and all of a sudden.. I wasn't even having to try.

I haven't been able to fly this in a while b/c my muffler came off during an elevator. Had 3d and spoilerons turned on along with the fact I was using a jr 6102 I was not used to b/c my 8103 was stolen.. anyways.. did not get everything turned off in time.. reactions slow... I am building another one now. ha.

I am really excited to get it back up with this combination though.

I did, as you said, big difference, so big that I took it off for a while as I was dealing with other issues with the UCD. Just some things that I wanted to get ironed out first, before I adjusted my flying abilities to deal with this change. Plane would jump right off the ground with this prop, fell right into a hover with ease. True, slow, high alpha KE. Will be having another go at it once spring rolls around. Looking forward to trying some other manuvers as you have mentioned. Joe

Yeah.. I had also never been able to hold this airplane in a high alpha harrier w/o a lot of wing rock and after putting this prop on it was easy. I brought it down in harrier to about 10 ft.. circled around the runway.. came back.. was going to land it in harrier, but, over shot the runway.. so I just gased it up a bit and let it hover at the end of the runway. All 10 ft off the ground and coming from someone who could not hold a hover very well or harrier 10 minutes before I put the prop on. Crashed the plane after 3 flights like this b/c the muffler came off in an elevator. I just wish someone else would try this to see if it was a fluke. I cannot figure out what would cause such a difference, but, I do know that was the only change I made. Anyways.. I expect to have it back up in about 2 weeks. Work had just gotten nutz for a while and I had a new baby girl and I could not work with my planes for about 4 months!!!

drumbum: i've seen your posts in other threads so i'll ask you, i have the yak and f90(which i'm selling) but i got a 91fx i want to put in something, is the ucando a good home for it? i was looking at the thread on that mattchapman 580, the 91 would be alot for that, which is fine by me, but some of those guys are saying the surfaces aren't quite big enough for true 3d flying, i'm running out of choices in this size range, whats your opinion for someone in my situation? anybody else can let me know what ya think too, i want some feedback before i purchase something, keep in mind, i fly at 5000', so i won't get the same power you guys below would

I have no experience with the 91FX .. i dont think i can give you an honest answer. I love my U-Can-do. it goes with me to the field everytime. even if its a backup plane.. It is just great fun to fly. My U-can-do weighs 8lb 2oz. with a 91 4 stroke. I am waiting on a YS110 to come for it.. you altitude is also alot higher than me..

I have flown the flip 3d. it flys simmalar to the U-can-do and alot lighter. If it was me that is what i would get. The one i flew flew SWEET. almost like a profile. I have almost ordered one 4 different occasions from tower since the price came down to a reasonable range. It rolling harriers better than my U-can-do, hovers are a breeze. I didnt get to violent with it because it wasnt my plane and i was maidening it for a guy at the field. Just Pin the hinges that come with it.. rudder came off on me on maiden. or use different ones

BTW it had a saito 82 in it

flip 3d, meaning that kyosho thing, with all the wild colors? i think that my 91 is kinda big for that, thats only rated 40-60 isn't it? maybe i'm thinking of something different, plus it was like $250 or something, kinda high in my book for a plane that size, but you make the ucando sound good though, i'd rather have that as a back up fun fly type thing than something like a big stik, thanks though, someone in my club had a ucd, he said he thougt it was really good, but it wouldn't flat spin, but i know how to do those anyway so i'd be trying different stuff anyway, he said he thought the mayhem was slightly better, mainly cause of the way he could spin it, but there is a couple of those at our field allready, and i think the ucd looks better, i'm really leaning that way right now

you are at 5200 ft though . i dont think . it will be powerfull enough. at that alt with the 91 in a ucando.. the flip is $179 at tower now ive seen it as low as 169.. you can always go with a U-cando 40 but. me personally have flown it and like the 60 better.. my u-can-do with the 91 4 stroke flys great but i am itching to fly it with more power too. I understand it is like night and day with a YS110 on it. but i am on a waiting list..

it was just a suggestion with the flip.... oh yea if i got a flip im putting my 91 from my ucando on it

are you sure you are at 5200 in AZ .. was it checked with a GPS.. i THOUGHT i was at a high ALT that is on some site for the city i fly in.. but then a guy came to our field with a GPS and he said it said 650 ft at our field... the legend for the city said 4200

our city says 4750, and there is plenty of signs around as you drive that say 5200 and similar, about 20 minute drive there is one that says 7000, its a curvey mountain switchback, but yeh i think were pretty high, i still get short of breath moving to quik(haha), i think the fx91 may be just enough if i prop it right, it spins a 15-6 pretty good, i see there is a 16-4w apc out there too, i think that would be perfect, i don't think it would be a rocket, but as long as i could hover down low and harrier the rudder to scrape along my runway i'd be happy, i'll have to check out that flip, i think it was 259 last i looked, so it was a really quick look

eather way they are fun planes to fly both the UCD and the flip. was just thinking of weight and altitude.

yeh i was just reading some threads on the flip, some like, some hate, alot say you need to cut the wing tips off for better performance, alot say it tips up and stalls out when landing, my f90 did that until i moved the cg, but they say regardless of cg it still does it, also sounds like the fx91 would be too heavy for it, those guys need to add weight to the tail with smaller motors, so the ucd is in the lead, unless i sell the 91 and get a saito 73 or 82, then there is alot of smaller planes out there, i don't want to do that though

I didnt catch those threads. HMMM maybee my 91 is out.. i thought the plane flew well when i flew it. landed easy.. flew LIGHT.. but if it will be to heavy i guess its out..

Hey i know what to do Get a U-Cand-do

BTW.. what didnt you like about your funtana ? Just curious . (saw on another post) I didnt like mine eather. no matter how hard i tried to like it..

I know you like the YAK. A friend has one. I havent had a chance to try it out. was going to yesterday but wind was up..

love the yak, its a keeper, i didn't like the funtana at first cause the cg they recomend makes it tail heavy, noseing up hard at slow fight and climbing while inverted, i fixed that, couples kinda hard in knife edge, but it is fun to fly low, its not really that i don't like it, i just like the yak better and don't need 2 similar size planes meant for the same flying, imo the yak does everything better, so i figure i'll lose the f90, but i still want a plane to get daring with and use some stuff i have, so the ucd sounds like its the way to go, you can tell by the pick the f90 was good for some stuff

yea i liked some things it did.. but interestingly enough. with each of the 3 motors i tried on it. on all 3 there were things it did better than with the other but wouldnt do the things that were good with the previos motor as good, weird.. i didnt like the fragileness. i was always fixing something or something would fall apart.. I still have it but have to rebuild the bottom of the plane due to the gear breaking off.. I never could get it to KE well and dont know why.

I also like the fact that the UCD will do pattern style manuvers well, as well as most 3D manuvers. I have never gotten my UCD to blender. maybee due to my cg placement. mine also will not harrier well. when i get my 110 I am going to move the cg back.. the only reason i havent so far is i will have to make a hatch to put my battery furter back. so im waiting for the motor to find out where... I dont believe in lead in ANY plane

i don't add weight either, that would have been my problem with the flip, would of had to glue a plank out the back to mount my battery, i have had good luck with the f90 as far as nothing breaking, aside from dinging props until i got that cg thing figured out, but i got to order the ucando soon to take advantage of my tower coupon, 1 week left

I think the last one i got i paid $149 after coupon. its worth every penny IMO,, The stab is bolt on,,Glue it all the way around. Both of mine tried to break the fuse there from exessive thumb action i glued the last one after it started cracking and have about 200 flights on it with no problem... also I put a carbon tube over the rudder pushrod because i was bending it.. other than that. my gear block is just now trying to let loose only after slamming it HARD into a little rolling bank in our field,, due to a brain lock HE HE..


HAVE FUN

yeh i wouldn't need a removalbe stab, so i could glue it up permanetly, i think my buddy said the same thing about the rods, they were 256 and should be more like 440, something like that, yeh i think this one may be just what i'm looking for, i'll let ya know what happens, thanks

Hi everyone.

Have had a finished ucd for over four months now. Haven't flown it yet as i've been trying to find what starting 3d setups to use
before flying it. I'm using a jr 10x. Have 2 ail & elev servo's, but have no idea as to how to set up the radio for 3d flying.
I would appreciate any information. I can't wait to try flying 3d, but want my plane setup to be more capable than myself.

thanks,

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[quote]ORIGINAL: someone in my club had a ucd, he said he thougt it was really good, but it wouldn't flat spin

my 60 size does a really great flat spin. dont knife great but it does blender.

set it up as the instructions say for maiden and get comfortable flying it and then start opening it up a little at a time. you dont want to start out with 3d setup to start if you havent 3d already.

good luck

thanks gjeffers, i'm still alittle tossed between this and that mattchapman cap from gp, it just looks like those sufaces on that on may not be enough for what i want to do, i just think it looks cool though, tough decisions

Tom.. here is an example of how to set everything up when doing 3d on the 8103. I know this is a good manual.. on this page:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...odID=JRP8612**
This article:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...612-manual.pdf


I am guessing for the 10x there will be a good manual here:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...odID=JRP1646**
or here:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...odID=JRP1646**

Basically went to jrradios.com which is just a shortcut to horizon area. Look up the 10x air.. there are some links there and on the manuals link.

Personally.. Even when starting out.. I tried to set everything up.. 3d rates, flaps, and spoilerons. Then I just did not touch the switches for the first few flights. Made sure I knew how to work all the switches really well of course in case i hit one. Anyways.

hey dave, my throws on mine for 3d are as follows:

ailerons= 3in

elevators=2.5in

rud=5in

these work for me!

MAN my elevator was banging my rudder pushrod. But if you get over a certain amount it dosent make much difference. actually flys worse. I have all i can get in ail on high. elevator about 1/4 from hittting rudder pushrod. and rudder pushrod almost banging fuse with 80% expo

my low rates are the HIgh rates in the manual with 40% expo