Hi, I have been in the hobby for about 20 years this spring and I am a little curious about some 3D manuevers. I am buying an electric pattern ship and I recently saw one that could hover, torque roll and do the harrier and transition into forward flight. I have Real Flight Gen 2 Deluxe and add on discs 1-3 can I set up a virtual plane that has the power and crontrol throws to do basic 3D manuevers? It can be glow powered I am primarily interested in pattern as I used to compete years back when I was young.

Which brings me to my second question I am going to buy a new 90 size pattern ship most likely and arf and I see that most new designs can fly both pattern and mild 3 Day. If anyone have any suggestions I would appreciate them. I do have a NIB Great Planes Venus that I am converting to Hacker powered electric with Lithium power. It should perform the basic manuevers and it will fly the complete beginning pattern so I might start with it and buy my 90 size composite ship later.
Thanks for reading and any help you can give me.
Viper

I think g 2 isn't the best sim for 3 d. I never could get it to do much. I bought aerofly pro deluxe and it is unbelievable how realistic it is for 3d. I highly recommend it.
As for a 90 size pattern ship that 3d's. Look at the 3d quest90 from ultra-rc.com. Might be a good one for ya. Are you going to fly at any pattern meets? Hope to see ya there.
Krishlan

Go to Realflight web site and then aircraft swaps. There is a Ultimate Biplane you download that is a great 3D airplane. It will hover at 1/4 throttle, torque roll, harrier and anything you want to try. Has helped me tremendously in my real life 3D training.

first if you want to learn 3d, get afp delux and thats like sending your thumbs to college and that means you learn alot but its not real life experience. but it does really help alot!

hey your like me I have done rc since the early 80's..my administrator job didnt give me the luxury to play as I wanted..but I retired and wanted to do it all including 3d..In my case I also became diabetic so I had to drop out for several years but my eysight improved and I bought a sim..It helped me alot and 3d is tricky but not as hard as it looks if you do it correctly.. the g2 is ok for general feel of rc but the afd is truly impeccable..I am flying 3d and giant and love the hobby more than ever ..its tough somedays I want to play golf all day and then fly .decision decision.lol..I do both life is good!!

Thanks Guy's, does anyone have a URL for Aerofly Pro Deluxes website? I fly Airtronics radios so I had to buy one of these for my transmitters to work with Real Flight G2 http://www.tti-us.com/sim/index.htm I also had to get an adapter for my Stylus that plugs into the DSC connection. I was considering buying the latest Real Flight but they don't even offer an update disc they make you buy the whole program however you get to use your
Add On Discs.

Krishlan, I wont make any pattern contests this year but a I am planning on a couple next year. Really I want to relearn the pattern skills because I felt that it made me a better pilot for my scale warbirds and jets. Plus its just plain fun I will check out the 3D Quest,
Thank You

And Thanks to all that helped I will look for that program.
Viper

www.aeroflypro.com is where to order it. Dont let anyone fool you, its the best sim for 3D on the market. I have tried em all and although its a little forgiving from a stall perspective the AFPD planes fly much more like the real thing. I have tweeked the incidence, cg and weight on AFPD and have gotten them much more realistic for stall tendencies. I couldnt even begin to tell you how much AFPD has helped me. I have been doing things with my 30% Edge 540T in real life that I wouldnt have dreamed of trying before I got AFPD. Thing is learning to setup throws and expo on your real planes so that they behave like the planes in the sim. Setup is just as important as practice. Its hard to do 3D with a plane that isnt setup right. Too little and they are sluggish and unresponsive, too much and they are twitchy and hard to control. Every plane has its sweet spot you just have to be willing to be patient and dial it in a little at a time.

I also fly the stylus... AFPD doesn't make a cable for it........ It totally sucks.. It's the only bad thing about this sim for me. I have to use a vg600.. Which doesn't feel anything like my stylus and has no expo or dual rates... But I have become used to it. I tried making a dsc cable but it didn't work... But AFPD is where its at man.... Hope to c ya at the meets even if you don't fly... Krishlan

Good way to put it. That's how I did it and I highly recommend it. Simulators are everywhere in the aviation world.

Okay Guys, I will buy the program the Deluxe version I need to see if I can buy without the fake radio or interface. Because I have a USB Interface I bought from here http://www.tti-us.com/sim/index.htm And I can use my RD 6000 S and Stylus in Real Flight G2. Krishlan check it out because he makes a DSC cable that plugs the Stylus into the USB interface and it works well. The whole thing was like 45 bucks there is a program that you down load or he sends you a CD when you buy the interface. What you do is load the program and I had a few kinks but Tom gives excellent customer support and I got it to work great. What you do is start the USB interface program before the sim and its got a little box that runs in the background and you check 8 proportional channels with the meters. I got it thinking it would make RF work better and its still like playing an arcade game. 500 dollars later after all the upgrades and add ons I a never even use it. I will try AFPD and Krishlan try Toms interface I bet it works I am going to use it in AFD
Thanks Joe

You MUST have the stock- USB adaptor plugged in to make the program work, BUT you can use your other interface in another USB port. That's what I do (the stock cable can be a PITA and not work too well with my JR, but they are re-vamping it to make it work better.

If you think AFPD is too slow (like flying through molasses) you can turn the sim speed up to 120-140% and things become much more challenging!

BigNed- mind sharing your set-up with us? I wouldn't mind getting it to fly more like a real bird!

Thanks,

Cody

Hey Viper,

I don't see any stylus dsc connector available at that web site..... Maybe you have a direct link... Thanks, Krishlan

Krishlan, Shoot Tom an Email and he will make one for you it looks just like this one here the third from the left. http://www.tti-us.com/sim/prod-adap.html Scroll down to the bottom of the page he has them because he sent me one a few months back and it works.

I will need to get my copy of AFPD this week, I am looking forward to using a flight sim that doesnt seem like an arcade game. I almost bought Real Flight 3 I am glad I posted this thread.
I do have one more question for you guys? How are the landings in AFPD are they more true to scale? Landing in G2 is a joke you cant see the flare or anything once your close to the ground?
Thanks Guys

Krishlan, Tom will answer your emails the same day usually or if you call him he will help you out as well he is a real nice guy and supports his products.

Landings are exactly like the real thing. Remember that when you start the defualt has no wind so it comes in like a calm day. You can add wind and adjust the direction to add wind issues.

Try landing the GEE BEE in AFPD, it is dang near impossible just like the real thing.

To answer your question, Yes. The G3 is your best choice. It has two planes excellent for 3d which are the Yak-54 and the E3D. It took me a few days to get the hang of the Yak, but I was finally able to hover it inches away from the ground. I then bought a Magic 3D with a Magnum 52 and I was hovering just like in the sim.

A simulator is the best RC tool available....my 2 cents.

g3 has two planes that'll 3d huh? With AFPD, I have at least a dozen right now that 3d like the real thing... I have flown g3 and in my opinion you obviously havent flown AFPD or you wouldn't say g3 is the best for 3d. G3 is much better than g2 was, but it still doesn't compare to AFPD... Although this subject has been beat to death so many times on here...

Go watch the kid fly on www.aeroflypro.com

Now Viper, if you do get the AFPD you will need a good video card in your computer and also a fair amount of memory and a decent processor...

I have to jump on the band wagon here I too was very intersted in 3D and after almost 10 years in the hobby I figured I would give it a try. I can no longer log the hours in at the filed that I could of in my younger more single life years. So I take it when I can get it. I started exploring sims when I realized that 3D flying and precision pattern stuff took a lot more time than a few hours on a saturday to get down. RF G2 was my first purchase and slowly I began to question its realism in the 3D world. After countless threads posted here and many peoples opionins I figured I would have to see for myself. I got quite good at hovering the downloadable aircraft on RF and even went so far as to say they were all too easy. Then I started to TR the stock aircraft the edge 540 to be exact and got really good at that. Still not convinced it was this easy I was unpleasntly suprised at the field with what is unarguably one of the eaisest 3D planes available, the Morris the Knife. So back to the drawing board after more research I learned of AFP and made the plunge. I had to learn to hover all over again. Everything RF told me to do was wrong on AFP. And after I got good on AFP my field experience was incredible 4 tanks of fuel and I was almost touching the tail. It all had to do with its physics engine it was wayyy off on RF actually it didnt exist with a plane that was in a stalled manuver. Anyway my point is while people say that RF is good enough for what mild 3D you will be performing I say thats not true. Its one thing to dabble in 3D but to do it with a sim thats inaccurate is like not practicing at all. YES a sim is a must for people who cannot dedicate all that time at the field and burn all that fuel. But make a wise decision as to which sim is right for your style of flying. I know long winded post but just my 2 cents.

Exactly Joe...

Respectfully... AFPD is eeeeeeeeons ahead of realflight G2 or G3 for 3D, there isnt even any comparison. I have tried all 3. G3 is unrealistically difficult and the stall characteristics are grossly OVER magnified.

Granted planes are somewhat less likely to stall in AFPD but they overall fly 95% the same as real life. Really a good 3D plane with a very light wing load is very hard to stall in real life anyway.

The advances I have made in just 2 months thanks to AFPD are staggering, and Im not talking about on the sim I talking in real life with real RC planes hovering, rolling harriers and well...all of it are 100% improved.

I can even do 1 roll rolling circles and loops, and all sorts of low altitude high alpha knife edge maneuvers that I would have never tried with a real plane before I got AFPD. My hand eye coordination is now 5 times what it was before just because I can "go for it" with AFPD and crash if I must to learn to do the hard stuff.

Mike

You are soooo right. Heres a good challenge want to bring your hand eye coodination one step further. Increase the sim speed to 115% you dont see any difference except your sweet spot on manuvers gets smaller and requires just a tad quicker reflexes to correct your inputs. Add some wind nothing crazy and you will improve your skill ten fold in reality. But, dont forget to increase your expo on your control surfaces. Even though you will never have 85 to 95 % expo dialed in for real you also wont be flying in real time 15% faster than normal either. But to keep the same feel as before you need to increase expo. Good luck.