What is the best technique for bringing the plane down while hovering to get the tail touching the ground ?.:
a) No wind conditions, ailerons neutralizing torque roll, slow descent.
b) No wind conditions, nose leaning a bit forward, slow descent.
c) No wind conditions, torque rolling, slow descent.
d) Some wind ....
e) Any other...

Probably A or B, but DEFINITELY

PRACTISE PRACTISE PRACTISE no matter which way you do it. And not to mention bravery.

i little bit of wind can help too.... easier to harrier down to prevent torque rolling.. (torque rolling is fine, but it is tougher due to rudder input constantly changing....)


and a few spare planes helps too.....

foamies are perfect for learning these things.... cracks in half you can build a new one for no $ in a couple hours (fan flod blucor)

Hi people... Along the same thread subject.... How do you take
away the "Mind problems with seeing the ground so close to your
stalled plane:-)" I'm doing OK at 5' and up, but get lower and my
thumbs gets that "ground effect problems" I need help.. I so much
want to touch my tail, But I need my plane to come home too, I
made it to about an inch once but my left thumb couldn't take it
any longer and pushed the left stick up:-(

Steady light breeze, hover with the plane leaning into the breeze. You'll need almost no aileron to prevent the plane from TR'ing.

It doesn't get any easier then that

when i begun doing hover, i ask in a lot of forum in rcuniverse , flying circus..........
all tell me the same: PRACTISE PRACTISE PRACTISE................

the wind,,,,,ailerons,,,,spoilerons,,,,,rudder,,,,wieg ht,,,,,,,CG,,,,,¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿
PRACTISE PRACTISE PRACTICE,

I´M TRYING 4 WEEKEND AND NOW I DO 18 SEC HOVER, STATICK HOVER ....

For me thats a lot.

Sergio

Raideron... Just work on getting lower and lower ... when I was learning I was the same way but now its just as easy to do everything next to the ground as up in the air 5 feet, and in some cases I am more comfortable, or used to !QUOT!to the deck!QUOT! maneuvers because I do them that way more often. You will get it .... Just practice practice practice!

never touched my glow planes. but i touch my Fiton jumping jack and EF yak 55ep all the time. i once ran almost an entire pack torqing about 1 foot off the ground then stopping the torqe and touching.. but it dont happen often due to wind. a 20oz electric is really sketchy in a 10 mph wind. luckily i had such fun last sunday.. it was dead calm.. maybee that because it was raining off and on..


havent had the nutz to break the rudder of my glow plane yet

Certainly the main problem is the "chicken factor". It may block your mind.
I feel comfortable torque rolling at 10 feet high, no less, specially if there is wind.
You may think that being at ground level the plane should not suffer much damage in a crash.
Anyway it scares me to think you can make a mistake and pull out in a wrong direction at full power at that ground level, the plane can go inverted or missing control and hit you or hit other people nearby. No margin for error.

I found the tutorial video on hovering at www.flyingcirkus.com to be really helpful. The bit where they talk about coming off the power and then on again quickly is a great way to get the plane lower in the hover.

I still find that i am not comfortable with the tail any lower than about 3 feet.

ERRR...I hate to say this but if you really got to have "just the right conditions" to get that low then you might not really want to try it. Touching the tail on the ground is safe if you have complete control over the plane but if you need the right conditions to do it (within reason nobody wants a 35mph breeze) then it could get dangerous. My suggestion is to put in a lot of stick time at 5 - 10 ft. off the deck and make the plane hover exactly where you tell it to hover at. Pick a 10 X 10 area to hover over and hover there, then change the area. The point is that you should have complete control over your plane before trying this. You should be able to articulate the movements of your plane very well in all positions (i.e. top facing you, side facing you, bottom facing you, etc.) then it will just happen.

RELAXATION! Pray be for you do it and bless God for such a beautiful day and than start your perfect hover!

A bit of wind helps a ton!

harrier it down the runway, or whereever you are flying pointing into the wind and pull the nose up but not completely verticle... Slowly back your throttle down a little bit at a time- if you let off the power and then back on quickly it can cause the plane to TR but if you just back off slowly it wont be as hard to keep off the TR... Just keep backin it down till you get to the ground and go for it!

Foamys help a lot too

i agree, if a little brezze or 0 wind is goint to make u suffer, or make a diference, dont try to tail touch yet...

just get it as low as posible and try to keep it there, if u have perfect control of the plane at 1 foot of the ground in tr, u might want to try to keep it at 5 inches then, ull see that probably it will automatically drop and touch the tail...

but 1 very important thing... when it touches, u have to apply power inmediadly, or maybe even before it touches, or ur plane might end up like this...
this is a 1/4 scale plane with an os 160fx in it.. not much happened to it, i got it fixed in 2 days, but still...

u can also see how the plane tilts when u tail touch, inmedeadly power added is a must..... this is my funtana 40 after tail touching....

Dude, you been at the whisky or sumthin? [sm=spinnyeyes.gif] Thats a laser 3d dude, and if you got a 160 in there, you'd have more than enough power to pull a brick out of trouble.

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Dude, you been at the whisky or sumthin? [sm=spinnyeyes.gif] Thats a laser 3d dude, and if you got a 160 in there, you'd have more than enough power to pull a brick out of trouble.
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i really dont know what to say about ur coment... this plane i design it myself and i scratch build it, it spans 2m x 2m... it weights 14lb wet and pull out is just enought, my 160fx is spining a 18x6w at 8000rpm, producing about 16lb of trust, thats why the pull out is not so great... ill send more pics...

this is another crash i sufer while tr, it was too windy and when i lost balance, i came out with tail wind and the wind push the plane down, it landed on its wheels, so not much happened...

its a 1/4 scale, just compare the size of plane with me!!!

DOD is fun, but wear brown underwear.

Ive got my glow profile down a few times, usually over some nice long grass (I needed it once)

Just take it easy and Practise, alot, then some more, and alot more, then you will get it.

Keep it up a bit for the practise then slowly bring it down. I find it easier in a bit of wind, keep the nose into it so it wont TR is much easier.

Fly-guy

to clarify, my last post:

1st picture is the other crash, and the last 3 pics is the same crash as before for trying to tail touch...

Sorry man, my mistake.

But from that first pic when its upside down...

I'll just shut up.

Well......you DID get a tail touch!
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In wind the hover is not totally vertical though.. and when torque rolling if it is totally vert it blows down wind.. im not tail touching my plane while it is going down the field.. here is an example of what im talking about done buy QQ on his 72 in yak.

http://www.flybuder.com/aeroflyvids/qqxfc.wmv

right click and save

one other thing to think about if you do indeed get it almost touching... dpeending on the situation if you are about to loose it within inches of the ground you might be better off cutting the throttle than rather saving it and then it snapping crazy and it's crumpled. most planes can handle a 1-3 inch fall on the tail with little to no damage done if on grass. But fly out and catch a wing and you are toast.

JP

well, this sounds as a certain crash, but definetly if u r close to ground, its better to cutt power and crash instead of crasing at full power...
but if everytime u wanna tail touch, u are certain its gonna crash, then maybe is not the best to tail touch.

i rearly tail touch my planes, but everytime i try to hold it at about 10 inches of the ground or so..
i crashed a total of 3 times doing tail touch or hovering within 5 inches of the ground, and everytime i crashed it, it was at full power trying to saved it, but my engine didnt speed up fast enought.. and not much damage happend to it, the only disadvantage of crashing at full power is a broken prop and maybe a crack firewall, but its always worth trying to save it...

thats why now i installed a 91 fx in my funtana 40, and it seems it just doesnt want to crash...

I agree with that. I had my tail right in the weeds resting on the ground and lost it and she went inverted, if I hadda gone to full I would have smacked it right in. Instead I chopped the throttle and she dropped in inverted, no damage other than a cracked wingtip.

Ive seen a vid of a 33 or a 40% Ultimate bipe in a hover with its tail no less the 2" from the ground, it deadsticked and fell to the ground on its gear coz he had hios nose slightly down from vert. if he was a few feet higher that thing was toast. When I hover I either do it high enough to pull out, and yes I have tested that theory. Or right DOD so she just flops down with little to no damage.

Fly-guy