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Old 01-17-2006 | 11:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: go verticle

devin that is the proper atitude [but] I have seen more of the other wrong way atitude at more events with 3D flying it's just not the less experanced piolets even the seasond piolets are taking over the flyins giving little time to other flyers but my real beef is that less than skilled piolets are just plain not wanting to hone there skills before learning 3D us who fly 3D are part to blame we d
on't say learn this first then i will show you 3D

I like the IMAC train of thought
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This nail has been hit many times!!.. As has been said.. It's not the style of flying...

It's just the simple fact of being safe and courteous to all the club members....

If there is a problem and or unsafe flying... Which can happen in any style of flying...

Talk/Help the pilot.... In a constructive way....

If that does not work, At the Club meeting put it on the agenda to talk about the
problem, And work on a solution for all concerned... Just my 2 cents.. Now I'm broke
Old 01-17-2006 | 11:56 PM
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you say come up with a solution at a meeting ok what is it
Old 01-18-2006 | 12:05 AM
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I got interested in this 3D "fad" when it was introduced to me by Sean McMurtry... about 15 years ago. About the time the 2 stroke pattern ship fad started to fade away.
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go vertical..... I would say emphasizing safe flying habits and control,
the need to dump the plane for safety.. The when and where to
do your thing, say just off the side of the runway... The need to call out
take-offs and landings etc. and the "Must" to "clear" for those calls...
Pick a time when less/noone is there.... Worse case, have designated days.
There are many ways to work together. It's just, Is the "Want too" there??

Then again you may have to find another club... Majority rules.. Just like
anywhere... So it's best to find a solution, in a courteous manner....
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Hey Bob, what rock have you been living under? You may not like 3D, but it's obvious that it is here to stay. Some of the biggest advances electronic, aerodynamic, and powerplant design have come, either directly or indirectly, from 3D flying. For example, I didn't see the warbird guys pushing for better battery systems and better motors for electrics. On the other hand, I have never seen a 3D airplane with the level of scale detailing that a warbird has. This hobby has room for all aspects of flying. Besides, 3D has brought some new blood into the hobby. Anything that passes on the hobby to younger generations is a good thing, IMHO. There might be some growing pains, but so long as everyone keeps a cool and objective mindset, everything will be OK.
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Geez, I'm sure glad we have a small club and most of us are happy flying 3D rather than burning circles in the sky following the same old circuit.

Every now and then we visit another club or have so many fliers visiting us that we have to fly circuits and, to be honest, it's so boring that it's hardly worth starting up your engine.

Don't get me wrong, I've got a 90-sized P51 Mustang and a F3A ship, and a couple of times a year I dust them off and fire them up -- but it only takes a few flights before I realise just how little fun I get from them compared to an excellen 3D ship (ie: a good old profile).

If I ever had to fly at a field where everyone goes around and around and around all day, I think I'd give the hobby up and start something more exciting -- like growing bansai trees :-)

IMAC may teach precision flying, scale may teach good building and finishing skills -- but 3D is just plain *fun* -- and that's what a hobby should be.
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ORIGINAL: emnm79

ORIGINAL: go verticle

devin that is the proper atitude [but] I have seen more of the other wrong way atitude at more events with 3D flying it's just not the less experanced piolets even the seasond piolets are taking over the flyins giving little time to other flyers but my real beef is that less than skilled piolets are just plain not wanting to hone there skills before learning 3D us who fly 3D are part to blame we d
on't say learn this first then i will show you 3D

I like the IMAC train of thought
Pilot.


Please don't tell me you are trying to correct the way he spelled "pilot"...I see about 4 mispelled words and about twenty missed periods (not "those" periods, I mean ".")!!!
BTW, Go vertical, I hope you weren't refering to me about egos. I did not imply that I was a superior pilot or anything, just that I was the only pilot at my field that flew "hardcore". Most pilots at my field do the occasional roll or loop and a knife edge pass here and there during the circle pattern. I, on the other hand, challenge my abilities on nearly every flight...that was all that I meant. And to do that, you have to go outside the box - or, in this case, the circle!
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I thought 3D flying was for Heli's?

Imac flying is harder then hovering...i dont have a problem with either at our field, as long as its not done over the pits..like a lot of trainer I see...

I say if people want a challange then go try to fly a straight line, in the wind, both ways...if that isnt enough add a 8 pointer with a snap and a half in there...that oughta give them a little respect..anyone can hover, hell my 2.5 year old can hover
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Imac flying is harder then hovering...i dont have a problem with either at our field, as long as its not done over the pits..like a lot of trainer I see...

I say if people want a challange then go try to fly a straight line, in the wind, both ways...if that isnt enough add a 8 pointer with a snap and a half in there...that oughta give them a little respect..anyone can hover, hell my 2.5 year old can hover

You may be right...it is certainly a challenge to be precise. However, I've never had someone say to me "Do that perfect loop again!!" or "Wow...that Reverse Cuban 8 was AWESOME!" However, do a tumble into an inverted flat spin...inverted harrier down to the deck ...hover...tail touch...then do a rolling harrier followed by a harrier landing and you will definitely get some ooooh's and aaahhhhh's
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Dude, I say the best looking flying is people who can do all the scale moves, with some 3D here and there....

saw a guy at my field the other day flying this 3d airplane with huge control surfaces, and NO EXPO.... just image what it looked like....
Old 01-18-2006 | 11:07 AM
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mu2driver, I'm with you. I enjoy all types of flying, it's just that personally, I prefer "Scale flying over 3D. For that matter I'd also choose IMAC, over 3D. The primary difference between the two different types of flying is, With Scale, FAI, and IMAC, you're judged by the precision of your maneuver. When flying 3D you can make several mistakes and no one will even kn ow the difference. I'm not trying to stir the pot.......There's room for all types of flying, and each has it's own following. Heck, I even tried foamies last year for about a month.

Old 01-18-2006 | 11:09 AM
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Imac flying is harder then hovering...i dont have a problem with either at our field, as long as its not done over the pits..like a lot of trainer I see...

I say if people want a challange then go try to fly a straight line, in the wind, both ways...if that isnt enough add a 8 pointer with a snap and a half in there...that oughta give them a little respect..anyone can hover, hell my 2.5 year old can hover

You may be right...it is certainly a challenge to be precise. However, I've never had someone say to me "Do that perfect loop again!!" or "Wow...that Reverse Cuban 8 was AWESOME!" However, do a tumble into an inverted flat spin...inverted harrier down to the deck ...hover...tail touch...then do a rolling harrier followed by a harrier landing and you will definitely get some ooooh's and aaahhhhh's

I can 3D with the best of em' ...I get a crap load of ooohhhh's and aaahhhh's ...but when Im practicing my Seq.. I also get so many people come up to me and ask how I am able to fly the same pattern with precision...

Problem I have seen is most people that Stick Jam think its nice 3D...when you can fly precision and throw in a Few planed manuvers you are good in my book...anyone can bang sticks..
Old 01-18-2006 | 11:11 AM
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sounds like the majoriy respect the guy that flys smooth, methodical (sp), and can throw down some wize bang in there somewhere...
Old 01-18-2006 | 11:22 AM
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OK here it is I started this thred yesterday it was raining very glumey I wanted to start something that would get people riledup we have NO problem with the 3 of us in my club that are capabal of flying 3D the problem is when a new guy wants to advance to 3D when he has just learnt to fly i don't want to discorage him but I want him to learn to fly with some pershion first but they want it now the other way takes to long. now the second point is that 3D has taken over giant scale meets to the detrment of all other flying I have seen some very interisting planes that I would have enjoyed seeing fly but they would not fly them with all the what they call crazey flying going on
third I know that my spelling is very BAD I am a retired mold polisher from a glass factory didn't need to spell much there I feel it is funny that when people feel there way of flying is under attack they will resort to personal jabs to me that makes my point to much ego in 3D flying and that is what I am starting to hate
Old 01-18-2006 | 11:27 AM
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I didnt see to many jabbs...but remember were on RCU so there will be a jabb now and then...
no prob on the speling...Mold Cleaners are people too...
Old 01-18-2006 | 11:36 AM
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I can get oohs and aaahh's just by crashing. If that's the criteria for good flying then just sit back and watch the beginners. I knew this thread would turn into just this, 3D fliers vs IMAC fliers. Too bad we can't acknowledge both and just fly in a safe manner and have fun.
Old 01-18-2006 | 11:39 AM
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I can acknowledge anyone with skills...even the guy landing the P-51 with grace...
Old 01-18-2006 | 12:00 PM
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I don't feel this is IMAC vs 3D but I think every one could benifit from learning basic aerobatics before trying 3D
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ORIGINAL: go vertical

I don't feel this is IMAC vs 3D but I think every one could benifit from learning basic aerobatics before trying 3D
good point
Old 01-18-2006 | 12:26 PM
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here is another point i think it is on metacafe there is a vid of a hanger9 ultmate hovering right in front of the flite line when the prop comes off scarry sight there is also a vid of yure higuche hovering over a swimming pool suronded by people [safe huh]
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seen em'...pretty smart too
Old 01-18-2006 | 12:57 PM
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Start a thread with the word hate in it and watch people flock to it. Works every time. Sorry I didn't read the thread, I love 3D flying though.
Old 01-18-2006 | 04:00 PM
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(I love 3D) Man, after reading that I sure am glad that at my field the only people who fly is me, a mate of mine and few sheep (they dont fly much), I dont think they like it, but then again... they cant complain.

PS:The sheep stand and watch from a distance up on the hill.

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must get boring flying alone all the time


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