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Nice shahid
ill post pics of mine wen i find the camera.
shahid, watch out fore ur rudder, with a huge servo arm (im guessing) and the controll horn at its most inist (is that a word
) youve got very low mechanical advantage, read the funtana 90 threads to see wot i mean, it can lead to a crashed model basicaly
ill post pics of mine wen i find the camera.
shahid, watch out fore ur rudder, with a huge servo arm (im guessing) and the controll horn at its most inist (is that a word
) youve got very low mechanical advantage, read the funtana 90 threads to see wot i mean, it can lead to a crashed model basicaly
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I already know what you mean Ian. The servo arm is one or two holes out from centre, I only realised after I did the rudder horn so I put it near to centre on the servo.
Was doing 50 mph yesterday full power downwind, no flutter nothing.
Was doing 50 mph yesterday full power downwind, no flutter nothing.
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here it is
the flash makes it look square bit its not. its perfect at the tail, not too shabby for a first covering job eh?
sorry if the pics are big
Ian
the flash makes it look square bit its not. its perfect at the tail, not too shabby for a first covering job eh?
sorry if the pics are big
Ian
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thanks mike, im hoping itll be done by wed, fingers crossed, that will leve me a day to set up well, then maiden on friday, fly more on saturday, then fly down at the 3D flight festival at reding
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NICE! I like it Ian! Best o luck.
Yes Dave it IS Wanstead! You know wanstead? come down sometime!
After a few drops of epoxy and 8 cm strip of brass at the end its needed weight up front for 125 mm, how will the cowl effect the CoG?
Yes Dave it IS Wanstead! You know wanstead? come down sometime!
After a few drops of epoxy and 8 cm strip of brass at the end its needed weight up front for 125 mm, how will the cowl effect the CoG?
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3lbs, 4oz as you see it (ie, with engine, 1 sservo, no tail and hinges not glues and no pipe on yet)
is this good, im hoping to be under 5lbs, would be awesome with a west 50 then
is this good, im hoping to be under 5lbs, would be awesome with a west 50 then

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From: London, US MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
I dunno what mine weighs, probably 7 lbs or something lol, well it sure weighs less than a Global Freestyle, I dont care how much it weighs as long as it can prophang and pull out decent enough.
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I heard from a mate some people were selling C50 cowls for £5 at the BMFA Nats, sounds excellent since they are usually £20!
My UC has snapped in two. Long sotry but at least Phillybabys undecarriage mod has done the trick, is stupidly strong and is showing no damage, If anything i expect the UC to fail or the bolts but not the wood now.
To get the CoG I have had to put two battery packs in, will change to one 5 cell later.
Flies nice but for now its just pattern and stuff, its funny how this plane makes you do stuff more neatly, I thought there was a problem when my plane kept coming out with the right wing low on loops but I realised it was just me after.
Irvine 53 is disappointing em now, dunno wehat it is but I do not have unlimited vertical.
A mAgic Extra which is the same weight and same engine hovers at half and has stupid vertical so why the ca[piche isnt well I will have to look into it.
Shahid.
My UC has snapped in two. Long sotry but at least Phillybabys undecarriage mod has done the trick, is stupidly strong and is showing no damage, If anything i expect the UC to fail or the bolts but not the wood now.
To get the CoG I have had to put two battery packs in, will change to one 5 cell later.
Flies nice but for now its just pattern and stuff, its funny how this plane makes you do stuff more neatly, I thought there was a problem when my plane kept coming out with the right wing low on loops but I realised it was just me after.
Irvine 53 is disappointing em now, dunno wehat it is but I do not have unlimited vertical.
A mAgic Extra which is the same weight and same engine hovers at half and has stupid vertical so why the ca[piche isnt well I will have to look into it.
Shahid.
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i flew my today, feels weird flying a plane which flies, not floats compared to what Ive been used to for the last about 4 models, which have all been fun flies.
Flew strait off the deck, a beep or two here of there and its flying nice and strait. the CG is about 135mm
so the elevator trim changes a bit, nothing to worry about that. Roll rate is just mad! 4 point rolls are nice and crisp and fast, 8 points need a bit more care not to over roll on each point. It flies very smooth, but when i flick it into high rate it'll go wild. if i fly nice and slow then pull up into a wall it will just pitch into the vertical, no high gain nor any forward bit of it. I haven't tried it any faster. I think i need a different prop as this is IMO too slow. First flight when i wasn't used to flying a faster plane with big surfaces (wary of flutter) i stalled it in a turn. nothing too dramatic, add power and level out. tracking nicely in loops, tho bunts skew out a bit, I'm thinking this is because there is a slight twist in one wing panel, or when i drilled the elevator joiner staple its slightly out (meby only .5-1mm).
flicking into higher rates is fun. elevators are amazing, i think i need to sort out rudder trim/ side thrust to get them perfect. a little wing wobble but nothing too Major. into the harrier there was little wing wobble again, tho this was my thumbs going a bit on the ailerons, just need more practice. i found harriers are a bit slow so i may add a bit of up ailerons to speed them up. i found tho i needed about 3/4 up stick for a good harrier, anyone else find this/????
Hovering, as Ive read allot isn't as easy,the elevator becomes very sensitive in the hover, i may set up another condition switch for hovering were its slightly softer on all surfaces.
inverted harriers, elevators will take a few more flights to get used to, but I'm getting there at hight, the inverted elevator, flipping into upright, then inverted like in Archie's video on fly capiche website are fun.
rolling harriers i cant find which rate i like them in, high or low.
KE was a bit odd, i found that in low rate i needed allot to keep it there, tho just a bit too much sent it into a KE loop. Ill have to put a ply plate in the control horn to stop the horn squashing in the balsa. i also found i will need to mix out some coupling, a bit on the aileron, didn't not which way, and a bit of up on the elevator, I'm guessing this is because of my rearward CG. I should be able to mix this out quite easy i should think.
Waterfalls, KE spins, flicks, tumbles, Flat spins, blenders and lomchevaks were all great, it just flips over its CG, not joking, i love doing them, in the spins it gets really wond up but releaces in an instant.
I only did 2 normal landings, not including my Deadsticks (unreliable idle at the moment). all the rest from flight 2 (not including short, 2 minute trimming flight) were all harrier landings and elevator landings. its too easy to do.
Lost my tail skid tho[
] never mind
overall, it'll take some getting used to, but i like it, and i cant wait to get some better servos in it (got 3001s all round, getting 3x 3010 and 1x 9402 some time soon-ish).
Ian




Flew strait off the deck, a beep or two here of there and its flying nice and strait. the CG is about 135mm
so the elevator trim changes a bit, nothing to worry about that. Roll rate is just mad! 4 point rolls are nice and crisp and fast, 8 points need a bit more care not to over roll on each point. It flies very smooth, but when i flick it into high rate it'll go wild. if i fly nice and slow then pull up into a wall it will just pitch into the vertical, no high gain nor any forward bit of it. I haven't tried it any faster. I think i need a different prop as this is IMO too slow. First flight when i wasn't used to flying a faster plane with big surfaces (wary of flutter) i stalled it in a turn. nothing too dramatic, add power and level out. tracking nicely in loops, tho bunts skew out a bit, I'm thinking this is because there is a slight twist in one wing panel, or when i drilled the elevator joiner staple its slightly out (meby only .5-1mm). flicking into higher rates is fun. elevators are amazing, i think i need to sort out rudder trim/ side thrust to get them perfect. a little wing wobble but nothing too Major. into the harrier there was little wing wobble again, tho this was my thumbs going a bit on the ailerons, just need more practice. i found harriers are a bit slow so i may add a bit of up ailerons to speed them up. i found tho i needed about 3/4 up stick for a good harrier, anyone else find this/????
Hovering, as Ive read allot isn't as easy,the elevator becomes very sensitive in the hover, i may set up another condition switch for hovering were its slightly softer on all surfaces.
inverted harriers, elevators will take a few more flights to get used to, but I'm getting there at hight, the inverted elevator, flipping into upright, then inverted like in Archie's video on fly capiche website are fun.
rolling harriers i cant find which rate i like them in, high or low.
KE was a bit odd, i found that in low rate i needed allot to keep it there, tho just a bit too much sent it into a KE loop. Ill have to put a ply plate in the control horn to stop the horn squashing in the balsa. i also found i will need to mix out some coupling, a bit on the aileron, didn't not which way, and a bit of up on the elevator, I'm guessing this is because of my rearward CG. I should be able to mix this out quite easy i should think.
Waterfalls, KE spins, flicks, tumbles, Flat spins, blenders and lomchevaks were all great, it just flips over its CG, not joking, i love doing them, in the spins it gets really wond up but releaces in an instant.
I only did 2 normal landings, not including my Deadsticks (unreliable idle at the moment). all the rest from flight 2 (not including short, 2 minute trimming flight) were all harrier landings and elevator landings. its too easy to do.
Lost my tail skid tho[
] never mindoverall, it'll take some getting used to, but i like it, and i cant wait to get some better servos in it (got 3001s all round, getting 3x 3010 and 1x 9402 some time soon-ish).
Ian





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went out tonight with mine, thought I'd see what it'd be like for our flyer of the year... couldn't nail a single 4 point!! boy have i gotten bad recently. spose it might help if i stop saying i will and actually sort out the set up, i don't even know my CofG!
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i don't even know my CofG!
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Nice one eddy. good speeling too!
Sounds like you need to adjust your rudder expo/throw/rate
IMO leave the mixing out, waste of time. i tried it for a while, thought hey this was good. then one day the capiche flew really much better, because i had inadvertently flicked a switch which turned the mixing off.
If you are dead set on putting some mixing in though i would only even contemplate starting once youve got your side thrust and general setup perfect.
Otherwise if youve got rudder mixed with ails, when you keep re-trimming the rudder for straight vertical lines it does silly things with the ailerons requiring you to re-trim those, which if offset can make it flick in other manuvers.
Sounds like you need to adjust your rudder expo/throw/rate
IMO leave the mixing out, waste of time. i tried it for a while, thought hey this was good. then one day the capiche flew really much better, because i had inadvertently flicked a switch which turned the mixing off.
If you are dead set on putting some mixing in though i would only even contemplate starting once youve got your side thrust and general setup perfect.
Otherwise if youve got rudder mixed with ails, when you keep re-trimming the rudder for straight vertical lines it does silly things with the ailerons requiring you to re-trim those, which if offset can make it flick in other manuvers.
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From: Essex, UNITED KINGDOM
Luke, i used the spell check lol.
I need to reduce elevator expo and rudder expo on lo rates for a bit crisper maneuvers. the rudder trim doesnt change in flight but the elevator does im thinking cos of the rearward CG, this happened in my Flip so im quite used to it. I think ill only put mixing in the rudder/elevator/ailron in KE.
ailerons, i need to sort them out, i was so intent on flying it i fogot to set them up properly. one of them moves more than the other.
most of my controlls are setup in my own way on a 3 position flight mode switch. so its usually hi, 125% DR mid, 85% DR and lo is about 75% reduced to 50% on the elevators i think.
Ian
I need to reduce elevator expo and rudder expo on lo rates for a bit crisper maneuvers. the rudder trim doesnt change in flight but the elevator does im thinking cos of the rearward CG, this happened in my Flip so im quite used to it. I think ill only put mixing in the rudder/elevator/ailron in KE.
ailerons, i need to sort them out, i was so intent on flying it i fogot to set them up properly. one of them moves more than the other.
most of my controlls are setup in my own way on a 3 position flight mode switch. so its usually hi, 125% DR mid, 85% DR and lo is about 75% reduced to 50% on the elevators i think.
Ian
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From: London, US MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
Low expo helped me alot. I wasn't having any fun so I passed the tranny to Phil who sorts everything out. He goes the elevator toos spongy, so I give 0 expo and its fine, yes 0 expo. He can fly without expo and I gave it a go, wasnt too hard and the plane was alot more fun to fly.
Thats 0 on low mind you and med with 45 degree elevator and theres not much of a problem at all.
Obviously I have much more expo on high rates but for pattern flying and such I dont need any.
Thats 0 on low mind you and med with 45 degree elevator and theres not much of a problem at all.
Obviously I have much more expo on high rates but for pattern flying and such I dont need any.
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From: London, US MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
received my new undercarriage today, installed it, screwed it up, sorted it out and now its ready to fly again.
New 6 volt 1400 mah Nicad has done the trick and balanced the damn thing!
Dont think will fly tomorrow though weathetr not looking good.
One thing:
The TE of the alierons I think could be a bit better, its fine for normal use but when you are covering can warp like a dogs doughnut. Im not having a go at anyone because Im sure its just me and my first kit but heres a suggestion:
Extend the ply ribs to full length, insert some blasa sticks IN BETWEEN the alierons formers and sand that to shape.
That might be it or something like that.
Shahid
New 6 volt 1400 mah Nicad has done the trick and balanced the damn thing!
Dont think will fly tomorrow though weathetr not looking good.
One thing:
The TE of the alierons I think could be a bit better, its fine for normal use but when you are covering can warp like a dogs doughnut. Im not having a go at anyone because Im sure its just me and my first kit but heres a suggestion:
Extend the ply ribs to full length, insert some blasa sticks IN BETWEEN the alierons formers and sand that to shape.
That might be it or something like that.
Shahid


