yer, high alpha KE does tend to fall out if i'm not on it, but no different than a normal stall. what i mixed out the other day was a turn to the canopy, not the wind blowing it. tho it's doing it as much as it did before. its not bad, i can compensate and when i get better ( remember first plane that will sustain KE for me ) i probably will not notice at all. might help if i didn't do my KE circuits on high rates, makes the elevator a little sensitive
CofG is still 127 on an empty tank.
as for corners i can KE my Cougar if i want, sometimes right from prophang ( i like that move ) it ain't pretty and it takes more stick than the hang its self lol

just wondered if i could take out all the coupling, seams it's too conditions related. i'm not the best inverted flier, and KE wheels at me is still a bit confusing, i seam to be getting worse too! my KE loops on the first day were ok, now i can't even exit in the same direction lol

haven't mixed out roll, sometimes it's there, sometimes not, i can cope with that, will play with elevator more when i get better. never claimed to be good at pattern


i was taking the piske out of "Ian the all knowing"

WOW, your were takin the piske out of ME! cool!

seriously, what i do to mix ut KE is to mix it out in high alpha, as the mix is proportianal it will make big movments for large rudder movments and small movments for small rudder throw, see

Ian

you know, i didn't realize the mix worked throughout the whole range

i did it to mix out normal mid speed KE passes and help keep 4 point rolls on track. High Alpha is so close to stall and varying throttle that i have no illusion of mixing it out.

For our comp tho i'm going away from using the Capiche, first, if everyone else is using funflys and you can get decent points for 4 point rolls with a Rapier! i'm not going to score much better doing it propperly with the Capiche, trust me.. might get an extra point if i'm lucky and get it spot on. with funflys as long as you stop at the right point, you dont even need to hold it in KE, 4 point rolls in under 2 seconds. hows that fair?


it's more important to be in the top 3 for spot landing and score ok points for the aeros, and i have little chance of that without a funfly and being able to start high, have the slow speed agailty and float to a stop on top of the spot.

it would just be nice to try and do the aeros right, even tho nerves always get you and you screw up lol

Just to clarify a point.

In saying that it had better live up to expectations or it won't last long refers to my habit of jumping on planes once I am bored of them. I strip everything out and jump on the rest so it fits in the bin bag. My planes are usually well abused, so not good enough to sell, plus I like to keep the engines etc.

My Goldberg chipmunk is still going well after three years, while my Balsacraft Xtreem only lasted a couple of months. Jumped on my DSM Merlin and Scorpio threedee last week

Didn't quite finish the fuz last night, so will get it done tonight and will post a photo or two.

As for CAP iche, the original 20 size looked more like the Cap (IMHO), this is just a development of that I assume.

Luke, never been to Addlestone. Don't even know where it is, do you have a website?

Would love to come over for a fly once it is finished, and you would be welcome to come to Elmbridge for a fly.

Of course now we are into September and it will all start getting muddy soon.

Elmbridge?
we had your greatest member down ere!



Sadly passed away a few years ago.

I wondered if it was your club he belonged to in Cornwall. Yes it was a sad day when our founder, who also founded the Sandown Model Symposium, passed away.

yes ours, Redruth and District Model Flying Club.
Albert was well know by Cartman and myself, Cartman was pretty much his little proteges, gave him much inspiration.

a very helpful club member with all his contacts.

will remember for a long time a few years back at Sandown when his mobility buggy went flat and EVERYONE! knew it

My Capiche is pretty much set-up now. The engines going alright and the push rods and horns, engine, U/C, servo positions are setup. Last bit is the covering and final assembly to be done inside 5 days! Fingers crossed it will be finished in time.

I could get some digital videos from the freestyle comp if you would prefer that to photos archie.........


Addlestone Mac flies at Kenpton park racecourse. Its all really open and flat with a beautiful runway. The only thing youve got to watch out for is the fishing lake which is 100 metres in front of you.The lake next to the land creates convection currents which results in loads of lift for gliders. You can fly pretty much anytime but dont just turn up though because it might be a race day!
Baron Uk has told me that he goes there sometimes.

Just had a look at the map, Kempton park is actually not that far away from Wimbledon. An old member of Elmbridge used to fly there.

Keep up the good work with the Capiche, I want to see it flying next weekend at the Freestyle comp.

It would be great if someone were to make a video that we could see online.....hint hint.......

I could make a video, but it would need to be hosted by a website. Maybe the capiche website if its good enough and has enough capiches in it?
I can get about 215 seconds(nearly 4 mins) in VGA resolution(really good quality) or 525(8 min 45 sec) seconds in QVGA resolution(smaller file but you wont be able to run it on full screen).Both of course with sound!

Luke

send me what you get and I will see what we can do


Sprink... 50 is not development of original...

totally diff plane... but I agree with you as far as looks are concerned.. wing particularly

a No-Ties Freeserve account gets you 15Mb web space and a new e-mail addy to boot, just make sure you reactivate it every 3 months or you loose it.

i'm hoping some mag ( RCM&E cough ) or wise guy might video the event and then have the CD's on the mag cover, or maybe sell for a couple of quid. should be able to get most flights on a CD

that would be good..........archie, you know e all down (up for you!) there, doont you, make sure they do that

OK, 2 hours last night, 2 hours tonight.

Fuz now just about complete (see photo). F1 and landing gear plate to be installed. F1 will have to wait until I have lined up the engine mount on it (easier than when on plane). The u/c plate will go on at the weekend (I hope) when I can install the T nuts for the bolts.

It is at this point I am hitting the limits of my building due to living in a flat. Major work, such as sanding, drilling etc has to wait til the weekend when I can use my parents garage (when I then have to fit in the flying), so final shaping and sanding to be done on the fuz then. Still, looking good so far.

As for further comments on building the fuz, the sheeting was a little bit tricky (perhaps lead into a false sense of security from the main part?):

- Read the instructions! The rear sheeting is 1/16, so I didn't think that wetting it would be necessary. After making a bit of a mess of one side, I decided it was, and found the other side far easier if damp. This is recommended in the instructions. Because of this I used too much force trying to bend to the contours at the back, and broke one of the stringers Still easily repaired. (Note: This is builder error! )

- Very little sanding was needed on the formers to get the sheeting to line up with the fuz sides. (at only 1/16, you want to do this any major sanding of the sheeting will quickly sand it away)

- I did have a problem where the sheeting for the forward fuz (3/32 inch) meets the sheeting for the rear fuz (1/16 inch). I wasnt quite sure which should overlap F6a, so went for the rear sheeting first. However, this then left a gap between the sheeting and F6a at the bottom.

Rereading the instructions I did see that it says do the front sheeting first, and this would have lined up properly. Though doing it this way, not quite sure how the rear sheeting would have overlapped with the front sheeting at the join. Still difficult to comment seeing as I deviated from the instructions again

Anyway, all is ok as I filled the gap with scrap 1/16 sheet.

- I suppose a template on the plan would have been good for the front sheeting to get the right shape, though easily done with a ruler.

So the fuz is all looking good.

(hmm rereading this post, looks more like a comment on my building than the Capiche!)

I weighed the fuz, allong with F1 and the u/c plate, and it came to 253 grams (see photo). This is 9 oz. Doesn't seem too bad to me!! (and that is before sanding)

Started on the tail feathers. One elevator half built tonight after finishing the fuz. Other half and rudder will probably be on Wednesday (doubt I will have time tomorrow - Sainsbury's calling )

Hope no one is wanting my plans, they have been put to the scissors to cut out the tail section so it fits on the building board easier.

General comment - I now always build both elevator halves from the same plan since one plane in the past, I built using the plan for each side, and though both were a perfect match to their respective plan, there was 1/4 inch difference between them (this is not a comment on the Capiche plans, I haven't measured them) It also makes cutting out the plan easier as you only need one side.

I'll post photos once all the tail parts are done.

Archie, you are right of course, Capiche 50 completely new plane. I sort of meant the development of the name, and all coming from the Baron.

Well thats it for me. Way past my bed time :sleeping: Time to dream of torque rolling loops and climbing waterfalls. Thats right, I'm off to Cloud Capiche Land

i did it this way....
cut the front sheeting to half the thickness of F6a and bent/glued it there. then matched up the 1/16th rear sheeting. when sanded it's perfect with both bits sharing half the former.
if this is right or no i dunno. think of it. of the whole build, this would be the most unclear bit... oooh big problem LOL





also... engine mount on before gluing on f1??????!!!!!


F1 on bench, cowl put on touching bench so its perfectly square, put engine on mount, put mount within cowl and mark?
thats the only way i see how.. but, theres a little "ole" put the center of the mount there and bobs your transvestite uncle, it's perfect

I am a little confused. The boy says no mixing needed and:


Philly baby seems to be messing about alot. Dont get me wrong just wondered?

Who is right? do we need to mix out pitch on elevator. The web site says it just needs the rudder stick over for knife edge "Little or no couple"

Is Philly baby as good?? Seems to change his mind every second post.


Help nearly finished mine and a little concerned.

The Ghost

dont be concerned... finish it, fly it and then if you have any probs lets talk set up...

good luck...

the amount of elevator mixing required will depend on the set up of the model. Whatever, rudder - elevator pitch couple on the Capiche is small and can be corrected either by a mix or manually. Its not really much of an issue.

I have to say that this is the only model I have that I can do a proper 1 roll circle, its much harder with my Ultimate for instance. That demonstrates to me how pure the rudder is on the Capiche compared to my Ultimate.


Chris

I have to agree about the one roll rolling circle... it is the easiest plane Ive tried it with at this size..

only other easy ones were big 30% and above jobs....

it is very forgiving of mistakes going round the manouvre and as you say its the result of rudder control response, and of course wing loading...

Yes Im supposed to be biased but its true..... I cant help the truth..

my elevator has some up trim, this may be the cause, the pitch is slight and different in different winds, i'm starting to wonder if i need it at all but i'm not good at KE and wanted to mix it out to make my life easier, i've only got 4% in there which is nothing really.
moving the flaps didn't help and they are lined up with the fuz holes.

where as the better pilots don't notice things because their instinct takes it out, for the time being i'm getting to grips with something new. rudder is elevator, elevator is a mix between rudder and elevator when you want to turn. some times i'm wheels in, some times out. the more i think the more i screw up, the other day i was just flicking from side to side and getting rudder spot on. though about it carefully a few flights later and put the wrong rudder input in.

what i can say is even without the mix this by far the best plane i've ever flown in KE, its the first i can do circuit after circuit on and have time to think about the inputs because it's flying like the wings are level, i can take a mind break..
while the plane makes me look better to others because i can now do these things its showing me how little i know as i try to fly it more precisely and not just do a KE or any other move that wanders all over the place. it's the first time i've done things and thought, come on, i can learn to do this better.

try to give a fair honest view and everyone thinks i hate the thing now

Philly, for the engine mount, thought it would be easier to mark up where the holes will go on F1 with it flat on a table rather than stuck on the front of the plane. Once marked, it will be glued on a drilled then.

i wanted to see if that little hole was in the right place and the side thrust correct, i lined the mount up with that and fited it, i then slid the cowl about 1cm onto the plane and marked the edge. i measured the distance from the firewall to the cowls front. the engine went onto the mount and the distance checked from firewall to prop driver.
engine fitted, cowl was cut and bingo it worked perfectly.