O.k., my 2 cents worth...

Why would you want to make this thread longer?? I'm losing interest as it is...

Let me explain, I have been looking at this plane, and I have considered buying one. But all I see are positive comments about it. That tells me one thing....opinions are biased. Now I don't know what to think about this plane.

The reason the UCD and Funtana threads are dying is b/c "The thrill is gone....". They have been out, people have flown them and given flight reports (both good and bad).

I have flown some good planes, and I have flown some bad planes that people said were good. I am the type of person who does not impulse buy, and I am looking for a "real good aerobat"

I am still looking for a report that will tell me not only the good things (as if I have not read enough) but the bad (or should I say things they did not like about it...i.e. the thick cowl). Also, I want to know what the average flier thinks about this plane. A good flier can make any plane fly well.

I'm not trying to start a fight here (this thread has had enought of that), but I am getting tired of trying to work my way thru all 62 pages to find what I want......a good, unbiased flight report. Tell you what, since I fall into that category, why not ship me a kit and let me see for myself, then I can chime back here with my findings...

wildnloose- take no notice of edible_engines post, hes only a kid and his enthusiasm overtakes his brain sometimes!

i can assure you that the opinions here are all genuine and unbiased.
there is only one man here that is in any kind of business with the capiche and he is being very discreet and careful with his postings these days.

there are many opinions on the capiche website www.flycapiche.co.uk

or for a 'normal' pilots opinions try phillybabys website www.philsrcworld.fsnet.co.uk , on the capiche page.

i cant make you belive me, but what i have said is fact

Thanks for the Tip Sprink. I dont think i will need it because when the engines upsidedown the silencer will be directed more downwards and away from the needle valve.Let me know how the Special silencer and pump go.I should compare Tachometer readings with you sometime to see if they make a big difference.


Wildnloose,
If you look at what Ali Machinsky has said about it on the Capiche website you will find a very detailed description on how the 50 size version flies.
I havent flown mine yet,so i dont know how accurate Ali's description is, but this is one of the best freestyle pilots in the UK talking!

Its been said by others that they wont prophang as well as a hype3D or similar.
Also,according to www.flycapiche.co.uk CPLR said it could do with a bit more dihedral for knife edge manuvers.
Another thing is that the instructions did not come with our kit. I dont know if this is typical of all the kits, but if so this might be a problem for a customer without internet access being unable to print a copy off the web.
Thats my "2 cents"!

Let me say that I was wrong for my comment of the thread being too long...and I apologize for that.

I did read several comments posted on the Capiche web site. I do not give validation to the comments (only b/c they moderate what is posted-hence, bias).

I read phillybabys review. He has helped me in the past and I believe what he says(unbiased-like ke pitching to the canopy). This is what I'm looking for. Too bad there is only one.

Now I am looking for more opinions/reviews. For instance, you can find several unhappy Funtana owners (and UCD owners) here on rcu. I have a Global Freestyle, I really like this plane, but it has its problems. Although I doubt you could buy a better flying arf this size and price.

You are right, you can't make me believe you...but are you trying to tell me that this plane has no bad tendencies at all, its a perfect design....it does everything perfect...no matt what???

Wildnloose...

all the feedback we had from the test program, good and bad, is in the test diary on the webssite.

The feedback page on the site is all the feedback weve had from anypeople that have given it... and from that I have concluded that many are normal fliers as well as good... Im not entirely sure cos I dont know them...

I can only think of one bad bit of feedback and it turned out the guy had the cg too far forward, he subsequently reported it did what we said it would...

Ummm Im not sure what else to say.... but the website was born before the modelflew so we could share results as it went... like I say good and bad... take a look you will notice we changed some things..

Luke... Insts.... people without access to the internet can buy a set of printed instructions from us.... Im against killing trees unnecessarily (yes I know the Capiche is made of WOOD !) and with having them downloadable from the site presents customers with all the other feedback and the detailed build galleries etc.... We have sold gawd knows how many kits now and only one person asked for the instructions at £2.00. I asked if he was sure we wanted to pay that and didnt he have anyone with access to which his reply was oh yes, I will ask my son to download them. I replied by suggesting that he gets his son to download them when he is ready to start building incase they get revised between now and then. The insts are listed on the product list separately.

I typed this in a hurry sorry for any bad spellin or if I missed somat..

yey, im not the only one with cr*p spelling these days!!!

Cartman: yes i agree, my brain takes mo over somtimes, but i also take over my brain!!! LOL im confused!!!!

Wildnose: one of the reasons the design is so goodis that it was developed over a long time, many manufactras make a design, build it and then fy it without caring how it flies, me thiks thats why its got so few bad feedbacks (is that a word???) am i right here baron??

So I guess the answer is...phillybabys review will have to do for now...

Looks like I'll have to wait until you guys start shipping to the US, which means that I still have some time to think about it. Hope its not too long...

Later

well......you can get one from [email protected] OR [email protected]

i know exactly how long it took, i know where Archies first ever thread is asking for a design that can do all this, guess what, he decided to bend Malcs arm till he did one for him.

have i? cool, don't remember off the top of my head when tho... My review did go through Archie first to make sure nothing was just plain WRONG, no negative ( are there any? ) comments have been removed. i picked up on the plan size vs cnc wood issue, and its been addressed. all other problems with my build are my own fault for building too quick and not reading every word of the instructions twice.

IF i had to mark it down...

Price... the kit is 115 cnc cut parts for just 67 quid, but little things then add up. the price is good, but if you get a calculator (don't forget to add the VAT too )
out you might get a surprise compared to a fully built and finished Hype say with the extras ( no matter if you throw them in the bin or no ) hopefully all this will become more clear to the buyer when Archie is able to supply "recommended hardware packs"
i got stung buying the wrong control set up coz i didn't know.
ARTF's have become very cheap and good these days, thats why theres hardly any kits left, but this plane will be YOURS! and more than worth the cost. i've not totaled it up btw...


Instructions, although i built quick and might have missed a few important bits some parts of the instructions seamed a bit vague, like you already knew how to do this. yes F3 stumped me for a few mins, and as a few pages ago made clear, the elevator joiner installation too. Talking of the joiner, whys it not in the kit? is there another way of doing the elevator?
As more things like this become clear the instructions are updated which makes the download option perfect. ( just thinking back to a RCGroups Wattage Sabre thread that told you all the mods you should do during the build just to fly )
you know, i don't remember the bit about the leading edge being sharper at the root than the tips.

Undercarrage... i think Carbon copy saw the engine range, and might have over built the legs, when i came in the other day i saw the shock travel through them, not much flex, so i now have 3" soft foams, which mean i have to trim the spats to fit... which i think were cut too much around the wheel side so i can't mount them high enough. People land Capiches from a harrier all the time, but i have an average grass patch, i now have metal bolts, i kinda worry the ply plate is a bit small so cant take the twisting load IF i try to harrier again, worrying about doing a "Capiche" trick is a bit of a downer.

Prophang, it's no Cougar, and i don't have the confidence yet to do it low. up high traveling with the wind it seams ok, might have to find my perfect prop, and against all voices, for me so far its the 13x4, only using the 13x4W because it cost so damn much.

erm.... not sure yet where to grab mine when i walk out to the patch, i used too soft wood by the canopy.

does pitch towards the canopy in KE, going over the 3D rates makes this much worse, bring the rudder back a bit made it so much better.
mine also has a little up trim.. linked?

can't remember the hole in the firewall or fuz sides being explained in the instructions.?



flying..... can't fault and i'm not good enough to tell you what it fails on, it makes you look better, you have skills you know, but cant use on your current plane, this will bring them out, except prophang, anything KE, bring it on!

Now, i know Ali isn't trying to butter up Archie, so what ever he says for the advanced stuff.

to sum up, goes together quick, flys great!!!!. be aware that you have to add hardware and thats it.. Elevator joiner, and wing bolts with nuts could be added as i don't really see other options..

oh yes, don't let club mates fly it... they will fly the tank out

last word, there are no bad reports, because other than my nit picking, there are no bad points



umm do i see Archie rowing over the channel to wack me with a half finish fuz?

Proberbly , kidden, why dont you hold the le and the fuz when you walk out to fly, or if your like me and you use a tray get someone else to do it, but i always grab the nose

tranny one hand, plane the other and a 13" knife to worry about. it's fine when i hold it just infront of the canopy fingers and thumb on the fuz sides.. if i don't slip lol

other times i get someone to do it for me, or they just want the honor of carrying it

LOL, i dont like 13: or 10" knifes a few inches in front of my little pinkies, i use the power for it to float around in my hand

Ian,
Looking at his site, I doubt he would provide an "unbiased" opinion (he sells standart parts and carbon copy upgrades).

Allow me to clarify things, I'm looking for someone who bought a kit, built it, flew it. Just like phillybabys web site and his post after yours. I don't want to hear from anyone who is financially influenced by this plane.

Capiche...(sorry, just could'nt resist it )

Ok then, lets try this......has anyone ever compared the flight characteristics of the Capiche to the Cap 232 of similar size???

not a wise idea, esp when you got 50" of wing with the wind trying to take it from you... ok if the winds going in one direction... i got an interesting little animation from our windsock today... at one point it went straight up!
i flew the capiche once, blown around like a plastic bag as was everything else.

not float around, i didnt mean it quite like that, you know takes the weight ofthe plane off so less danger of it hitting me thumbs

i eventually found out what "rev brother 14" ment suprised no one had made a 3D one yet..............

back to CCL

Thats one i can't do.. compare to similar sized planes as i've flown none much.. i know a mate has a Glens Cap ( i think ) and although nice... well over weight and can't touch my Capiche ( and he had a 61 )
Now.. you got me thinking... Price vs what else is out there... I saw an advert last night.. let me see if i can find it. This would be the only fair comparison for the Capiche... give me a few mins...


first off, I HATE IT WHEN YOU TYPE A WELL THOUGHT OUT ANSWER, THE PAGE DOSN'T WORK, YOU CLICK BACK AND LOOSE IT!!!!!


Ian: check out the profile brother hood

This advert caught my eye flicking through old mags the other day because just because it was the Capiches closest match

Cap 232
58"
5 1/4 Lbs ( heavier than most Capiches )
40-58 engines
cnc machined
comes with GRP cowl spats UC, accessory pack and photographic manual
£99

If the Capiche has competition this is it. on paper....
Flying, building, anyone?

Would you all like my responses to come of the comments raised ?

Wildnloose... I think edible suggested carbon copy as a source for the kit not for a review - you asked about getting one ... I believe they have sent some to the US already.

Phil... do I reply to your post or not ?

CAP 232 I would say is not a fair comparison.... Capiche will out fly it easily for aero and 3D.
Closest I have heard about is the Seduction Freestyle but I have not tried one myself... the US guys rave about it though.

Ive only heard from one person that has flown both and that was Ali Machinsky and I think he preferred the Capiche...

thats all I have... its a new plane so I guess more will come out ni the woodwork in due course....

price... all I can say is i had several mails from people saying they were well pleased and felt it was worth every penny.
Only one chap compained about some of his wood.... hiccup in QC since rectified...

You get what you pay for.... and this is evident in the build and in the air..

I had a chat with a guy who flew one of the prototypes for us at the start of the year.... he wanted the production version since he heard it was better so he paid for it like everynoe else...

told me tonight that he entirely built the model ready for installation and covering in 10 hours on Bank Holiday Monday !

Now thats shifting ! Says he just have the covering to finish and its ready ! Maybe he qill take it to the Freestyle comp for back up / fun...

10 hours ! crikey.... mind you he did say it was a much simpler build to the proto and I dont think that was bad either..

He does use this forum so he might give some feedback for you when he's flown it...

Wildnloose
You more than likely will have to wait for Sprink to build his and give us a review, i find sprink to be very honest and helpful.

Also i think surry3styla has a capiche he is building, if so can't wait for the feedback.

I have the same problem you do with getting unbiased info. We'll just have to be patient till we can get a real review.

And there is no such thing as the perfect plane, even full size aerobats have their strengts weaknesses.

hey West 50 t1 guys, What is the all up weight of this motor including the muffler? Thanks I can't find this info anywheres

it's ok Archie, my post wasn't a sudden lash out lol like i said i've not totaled up the cost of my Capiche yet, i could be surpriesd one way of the other, the only thing with price is unlike many kits the price you pay isnt the end, it has the huge benifit of letting you choose your own equipment, it had the small drawback of being a bit confusing. the VAT doesn't help, i paid more for my standardish kit than someone else with carbon everything because i brought from Carbon Copy and they had to charge VAT.

The CAP, the Capiche might out fly it, doesn't mean people don't still regard it as a other option.. both caps, both cnc kits, same size ect.

Theres a Seduction here, from what i've seen of it very nice... but it's not flown to it's limits, not even close. stall turns and loops are about all it gets. doubt i would be allowed a go, but i'll see what i can do when it's next out

more likely to get one here than any mags

goto www.westonuk.co.uk add together the weight given for the T1 and on the seperate page 50T1 pipe.


right, i'm off to cloud Capcihe land, again
toodle pip

Just got back from a days flying with Ali at our local field (the quiet one!)

i only had the little capishe and Ali had his Capishe 140 EX,, we just had a mad day watching Nathan Rawlings and Gary Sands having a real blender competition and i have got to say this is the first time i have seen a FULL THROTTLE blender!! Nathans Cougar goes from 100mph to a blur !! mental! he was doing it lower and lower until it blended into the ground (we got it all on video!!)

I can also vouch for the integrity of the little Funtanna Airframe, that was doing full throttle blenders without breaking up!! he did get through 2 9001 servos on the ailerons though (striped gears)

Back to the capishe!! my little one was OK but Ali's was flying "different" after the motor change, we also noticed a lot of right rudder trim when he landed so we added right thrust (never easy at the field) also both ailerons were drooping (with full span ailerons there is no root or tip reference) sorted that out and it was much better but appears to be nose heavy now.

still we got a whole week left!!! and my plane ain't built yet and we are both working every day this week!!

we could both make right fools of our selfs!!

Dave: try n get that video on here, id like to see it! LOL

I had my Cougat out blendering too, full throttle lots of fun, but idle today, into, inverted spins... that just sat there no climb yet.. using the West 36 and 11x4 master. however it's not that happy on this prop at the mo, so i swapped to a APC 10x4, now it flat spins the right way up, but wont invert flat spin lol ah well, such is life...
i also ditched it... either the bottom end was out or i was a tad lean coz i came out of slow flight into a hang, let it drop towards the floor, but i had no power to stop it. gave full down a couple of feet off and it landed on the nose. snapped the mount where i had previous holes for the Leo. got a new mount from out handy guy in the car of spares ( local tradesman ) and fixed it up

Capiche, had a couple of flights, but just wasn't feeling right.. asked a guy if it was because there wasn't any wind, he said yer, these pattern types need a bit of breeze to push against. I noticed more roll in KE, the pitch which i mixed out was there again and i didn't feel very showy doing the rest, some days you got it, other days it got you

phil, lets see some video of my flat spin landings from yesterday to amuse the masses