Thanks Ron. I'm really wondering if there will ever be any more flying at the club I was at. Since it's tied up in bueaucracy it seems doubtful. I haven't actually become a member yet at the new club. I was waiting to see if there was going to be a reduced membership fee since it's so late in the year. The only thing bad or really, really, different about the new club is that no one seems to fly there in the afternoon! It seems that they mostly fly on the weekends. At my other club, there were always people flying in the afternoon. I hate to go and fly be myself. Gotta do what you gotta do though. [&o] Supposed to be in the mid 90's here this weekend.

[/quote] For the wing bolts, on my Mayhem there is some thin fiberglass tubes that extend from the very bottom of the belly pan to the head of the bolts/screws for the wing and they do a good job at keeping the bolts in place and it makes it easier for the screwdriver to stay on while turning them. If we can find something like that I think it would work great on the Do's.

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That would solve the problem. I'll look around and see what I can find and post back here. Thanks for the tip my friend.

Hey Danny, Here's a type of tube that I found at Tower that might work. Not sure of the actuall size that would be needed but they have them larger and smaller and they aren't too pricey either...... [link=http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXF750&P=7]wing bolt tube[/link]

Looks like that will work. The 1/2" tubes are 14" long. I'll check my wing bolts tomorrow and make sure of the size. Glad you found these! Thanks,

Well I fixed the Magnum and had a great day flying. I put in a new 6V reciever battery and the difference was amazing. The extra torque and response speed make it a lot easier to hover and knife edge.

I was having a BBQ at my house in the afternoon and the only other person at the field was leaving so I decided to pack up. But wait, instead I said the worst 3 words. "One more flight" I dont know about you guys but for the guys I fly with that is the kiss of death. Sure enough one more flight was a lot of fun, I did a slow low pass before landing and turned it too hard for how slow it was going and nosed it in. OUCH. Broke it in half again. OOOPS.

Oh well, its already back in one piece. I am going to completely redo all of the ribs in the turtle deck though. Then it will be as good as new.

That's the spirit! Lick your wounds and do it again! It's the 2nd best reason they made glue. That is what it's all about. Never say die is a great attitude! Sorry about the mishap, and I completely agree with the "one last time" law. It has had me by the short hairs before. Good recovery! You'll be flying at 99 years of age! And they'll all run but they'll still wonder how you did that!

Bliss

you do have a name to live up to CRASH so now and then its a must(and for the rest of us also unfortunatly[&:])

nice cowl Blisster

Good news! Let me know how it works out.

Sctcrash, Sorry to hear about your mishap. Ouch! Sounds like you can get back together though. [8D]

For you guys that are running the Saito 100 in this plane, did you have to lots of mods to make the engine work in this airframe? What landing gear are you using to get enough prop clearance?

rtn9105, When I had the S-100 in my first "Do" besides the bigger GP engine mount,
and lowering the tank by about a halg inch by enlarging the firewall hole I made no
other mods, ( if I go back to the S-100, I would try the same thing I did with the engine
mount for the S-82, that is installing the engine inverted on top of an upright mount in
the stock location)... I did go with bigger size tires that I had laying around.. I always
add some extra glue to the fire wall etc.. as I do with all my planes. Other than nothing
else was done.... Well, I had to get use to barely using the left stick on the radio, it did
make it eaiser since the stick pretty much stayed at the bottom
IIRC Gary said the 100 even fits on the stock mount....

Crash...... Yep........ The just one more.... gets you at times... That phrase has got me
a few times..... Glad ya got her fixed!!

I was wondering if anyone had used the stock mount. After I crashed mine for the last time I held the 100 up to the stock mount and it looked like it would fit, the engine would just be at the very front edge of the mount rails.

rtn9105..... Yeah.... that's what Gary said..... I went with the bigger mount, because my
used "Do" had a Hyde soft mount for the YS, and I did not feel comfortable the way the
100 fit on it....

I just orderd my plane, and I was wonderinr if the 70 surpass is ehough power to hold hover and pull out with a 14x4 prop. or will i be dissapointed with it. also can you use a 6v pack with a 9CAP reciever and the charger.

Thanks

allyric....

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the thread. You are welcome here.

The 70 Surpas will certainly fly your airplane. It may even hover if you are near sealevel. But it won't be a powerhouse. If you haven't purchased the engine yet or if you can get hold of a different engine I'd do it. Most seem to like the Saito 82 or for the power mongers, the Saito 100. The Surpass won't turn a 14x4 prop. Probably a 13x4 would be the best prop choice.

The more serious the aerobatics, especially 3D, the stronger the motor has to be. I don't think you'll ever realize the full potential of this airplane with that engine. That said, I think you will still love it, even with that engine.

Another area is servos. Many are using standard servos with this plane. But again, if you want to get the most from it you'll should step up in servo strength a bit.

Yes, you can use a 6 volt battery pack with the 9 CAP.

Good luck and if you have any other questions...there will be many that will help. Just ask.

Thanks
Barry

Ill have to bring a voodoo wand to the field to wave over my plane next time I say "One More Flight". But like gjeffers said i have a name to live up to.

Barry is right about the servo upgrade, I still need to upgrade my elevator servos, sometimes it falls out oa maneuvers and I am pretty sure its lack of torque in my servos. The 6v battery helped a good bit there though. The increased speed from teh 6V also helped a lot in my hover. Having the plane react faster makes it a world easier.

I think this is definetely a plane that really shines when you put in quality hardware, i just wish i could afford it myself.

One more thing allyric, make sure the battery is NiCad and not NiMH if you plan on using the Futaba charger. I use a seperate field charger for my 6V because it is a NiMH.

rtn, i did use the stock mount and it was right on the end of the rails, the only mod i had to do was file the left lower "thingy" on the mount to half thickness so the two mount bolts that meet had enough clearance. there is now just enough clerance. the pixs i will put down below are low grade but if you look real close you will see what im talking about, i have about 40 flights on mine now and everything is holding up well

oh, and i use the lg off the 60 size that Barry gave me about a year ago, (thanks BArry),the stock will work but i like the way it handles on the deck with the larger gear, just beef it up a bit and it will be fine[8D]

good luck!!

Wow, I can't believe it! My Saito .82 arrived yesterday from Hobby Warehouse! I think the order went in on Thursday and I have it in my hands on Monday. That's pretty good in my book. What a pretty little motor too. This is a gem. I have it oiled up and will go get some new fuel to run in it today. I want to break it in right. I understand that these can suck up some fuel during break in. How bad is it? How long before that tapers off? I can't wait to hear it run. I have always loved the sound of the 4 strokes and look forward to flying it. Thanks to you in the forum that helped me decide which power plant.to go with, I am confidant that this will be a winner. I guess it's back to work on the UCD since I have the right motor. I still have other stuff pending, we are about to re-maiden the 4*40 with the OS Max .50 SX, (it should be a powerful bird now) not to mention the administrative end of roofing of my house, the tearing down of a wall and the removal of a big patio roof!! I know I should be getting thew house done but dog gone it, I want to PLAY!! OH, did I mention that we're going to have to redo a floor in the kitchen? But I have a nice new motor on the test stand! I am at least going to have to start the Saito, it can run while I watch it as the roof comes down, can't it? All I know is, someone's gonna have to take over now and then so I can break in this motor! Oh, yeah, what's a good break-in prop for this? I still have some 13x4's I bought for the .50SX, would that work well? Also, where are you finding the velocity stack for this motor? I don't like the idea of that open path for grit into the carb, at least a filter over it would be nice. My little Norvels even have those! I guess I could machine my own, but my list is long enough already!

allyric , welcome to the thread and congratulations on the new addition! My 2 cents.. if you already own the Surpass .70, go with it. If you are about to buy the Surpass, take a better look at the Saito 82. It is light as a feather and more powerful than the Surpass and can be had for only a few more $$ than the OS. (I think the OS is just over $200 ($209.99 at Tower) and I just got my Saito for $229+$7 S/H and they sent it lightning fast!) Tower is having a sale until Monday the 31st of July, that will save you $30 on a purchase of over $200. That makes the Surpass $179.99 'til then. It's a tough choice. I know, it took me a month to decide. I am shopping for servos today as I buy gas. My LHS does a good job of competing with the mail order outfits so I only have to deal with tax, hopefully no more than s/h would be with others. Also look in this thread at around page 185 and on, you will see mods suggested to myself and others to strengthen some points of the plane. Landing gear (the block that it's attached to, actually) the tail feathers, (some are adding flying wires) and I heard of more than a few people breaking the stringers of the turtledeck while picking it up, they are soft balsa and will break quite easily. Just be careful there. I can see me sheeting that if I ever have to do any repairs in the area. What ever you decide, ENJOY this awesome plane!! And post pics while you're at it! Most of all, ask questions here. The only thing more awesome than the plane is this thread! The guys here are the best and they are just delighted to assist. I wish we all flew at the same field. I know, I'll win the lottery and send everyone a plane ticket to the AMA field! We'll still have to find a way to bring the UCD's won't we? OH well, have fun!

Bliss

Blisster, my only advice on the saito is check the valve clearance before fireing up because there have been a very few that have been a little off,(just in case)set to .002.
and to save you a little trouble with bearings..... run dry and use aro after every session and it will last a long time also check your valves often at first (first couple of hours running) then you can slack off if they seem to be ok then.

the saito will seem a little rough at first, dont panic, it wwill settle down after you get a couple hours on it and you get it leaned down, it will also get better fuel consumption as you get the low end down. after a gallon or so i usually just get it to idle then turn the low end down 1/4 turn at a time till it dies(give at least 10 seconds inbetween turns) after it dies then open it up 1/2 turn and your gonna be close then and you can make final adjustment from there(small adjustments)

good luck!!

Hey maybe we should set up an all UCD Fun Fly somewhere. That would be fun when we get a bunch of planes up in the air at the same time.

That's my plane, No that's my plane, no wait, uh oh, that WAS my plane.

hey crash..... if you put them all on the same channel there wouldnt be a problem

Its funny how that superstition exists everywhere(never say or do just one last flight). Thats one of the first things I was told by my "senior" instructor. I never bought into it,made it a point to show them it doesnt matter. Hell,when you think about it,when you crash, it is your last flight! Anyway,the things I did to make my Do SA100 ready: Add tri stock to firewall where there is none,use 4/40 push rods (CF tubes even better),cover hinge lines,I use HS635(85 oz@6V) everywhere except throttle. I even balanced the elevators to insure no flutter. Dont use any type of soft mount for this plane and SA100,it will dance on the ground-I know! I ended up using H-9 aluminum mounts,love those slots for infinite positioning,and you can even offset for thrust angle too. This is the last .46 Do post for me, I just removed & sold the engine,pulled out everything I can re-use,I will either sell it for $50 or give it to one of our fledgling members,I never felt the .46 was as good as the 60. On my way to being a "g*******".

Yeah, That's it! We could put them all on the same channel and Gary could do a low inverted pass.....[>:]

Mixmaster, Sorry to hear you're giving up the Do. Sounds like you are moving to different adventures. What are you going to be flying?

I'm giving up the .46 Do,still flying the 60 Do,yet to maiden Ultra-rc Giles,Funtana X100,currently shopping around for a good 50cc plane,probably WildHare Extra or Double Vision,not sure yet.