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My old club flying from the Grand Haven, Mich airport also had the 400ft ceiling limit and required a dedicated spotter whenever RC planes were in the air.

Regards
Frank

FWIW, I was a witness in a slipand fall case at a bar/restaurant where Iworked. 2 years after the incident, Iwassupeona'd? as awitness. Iwas paid for my time off work, mileage, and a per diem for hotel and food.Trust me,I certainlydidn't make any money for my testimony. Now I can't be certain, but this may be a fairly standard procedure in civil cases. By not showing up, Iwould be held in contempt (unless Ihad a really good excuse, and work is not one of them allowed by the courts) and subject to those penalties. Other than that, Ihave no interest between the obvious conflict you two have and I'll leave it at that....

As for voting. I'm not voting because Idon't know what the new rules are; don't know what they will end up being after the public comment period is over, nor do I know if the "model" exemption will be tucked in with the FAA reauthorization act.

I understand that some of this has been beaten to death in various postings...But forget the subject and help me understand that we do not have to follow AMA guidelines and suggestions... Is that true? we can fly anyway we wish at AMA fields because there are no Rules? only guidelines and suggestions by AMA....

Please, stay on task.
We don't need thread hijackers.

If you don't want to vote, fine.

But if you're going to comment, any chanceyou could limit your comments to thecontext of the vote?

And it's good to have an opinion, according to RCU, there 462,504 resident opinions yet to hear from.

Not sure what the OP intended but I think a minor change would make it more clear.


If rules change, will you honor new rules?

Yes, I surrender

No, I think not (Don't follow rules already)

Just a thought.

Regards
Frank

It takes courage and honor to own up.

THANKYOU.</p>

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littlecrankshaf

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BUT in this thread your and my anonymity is equal to this point.
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Be nice if you'd remain anonymous.

Yes I'll surrender because like most of the flyers I've seen I don't have the planes or desire to violate any of the supposed regulations.

On a side note, Iam amazed at the number of people that promote anarchy.

THEOPISSUESA****BACKTRACKALERT****

There are three basic elements to this thread.

One tohone in on the fact that, for example, a radio controlled jet pilot investment caneasily top $15,000 (and it hasn't even seen fuel yet). Am I to understand that the pilot is going to simply park that lion in the hanger - not fly it - because the speed limit and ceiling were lowered? Yes I surrender, No I think not.

2.)(TWO), As this thread demostrates on pages 1,2,3,4,5 (thread hijackers) come along to discuss elements completely outside the bounds of the OP's posting - and from what I see, that happens a lot throughout thisRCU/AMA forum.

Three.)(3) Beyond that, this section of the RCUforum is a hotbed of paranormal UFOsightings that is constructed primarily from tatter threads of pre-disposed supposition - and whoever barks the loudest and most often, is king of the hill.

Does it matter in the long run, not really.

But think how effective a group - numbering 462,504 - could be if you removed all of the bickering, squabling, SUPPOSITION, vendettas, etc., and uniformly created it's own lobbying group. We're already ALLfollowing rules to some extent. Hopefully we're all acting responsibly and taking our RESPECTIVEHOBBIES seriously and to heart, and re-stocking our hobby by investing in new recruits.

But also consider - if we got together as a unified entity - think of what could be accomplished.

Calling that to your attention is the OP's intent. Pipe dream - for some. But then, so was flying to moon. Only thing is, we actually landed and Mr. Alan Shepard played golf.

Probably a better method to convey the OP's sentiments exists, I just didn't read it in the 10,000+ postings available here.

I personally don't think there is much "change" coming but I am curious. With all the talk of 400' alt limits and 100mph speed limits.....what methods are people currently using and/or will be used to measure, if these become more concrete "rules or guidlines"?

I have been flying for 30 years or so and can only make a guess as to wether my planes are at 300, 400 or 700 feet. Likewise with one of my elec hotliners or pyloners...100mph, 140 or more...??? As has been mentioned in this and other threads....very subjective and how the heck will it be measured and enforced....by anyone.

Okay....I'm going back to building a plane..........

ps....I did email the "generic AMA letter" to my congressman as well as a paper copy with a handwritten addendum.

Thanks for stopping by and weighing in.

Did you vote?

I do not Fly at a club field. I am flying at a Sod farm in the middle of alot of farm land. I fly safely and responsibly. I may be violating the 55lb weight limit slightly with one of my planes. If they adopt new rules I will not worry too much about complying. If someone complains then maybe I would reconsider.
Too much regulation ruins everything
Anthony

If there is an accident or incident, and you were determined to have gone more than the altitude or speed limit, I suppose it could affect your insurance coverage as well as your liability for the damages. Just like how most traffic violations go unpunished until one of them results in an accident.

Okay, hopefully this question stays on track with the thread discussion......
Am I to understand that AMAprovides the ONLYcoverage I can apply in the event of a crash or mishap involving one or all of my hobby elements?

Cool plane in your avatar.
Is that a Citabra?
Nope, forgive me, that's a clipped wing J3, isn't it?

Got this e-mail today from our Mich. senator. Debbie Stabenow.


Dear Thomas,



Thank you for contacting me about exempting model aircraft from regulations by the Federal Aviation Administration. I share your support for protecting model airplane enthusiasts from unnecessary regulations.



I am pleased to let you know that the final FAA bill excludes model airplanes from new FAA regulations. I supported this provision, which passed the Senate unanimously. I also supported the FAA bill, which will modernize our aircraft control system, create jobs, and protect consumers. This bill passed the Senate by an extremely bipartisan vote of 87-8. I will continue to monitor this bill as it moves through the legislative process, and will keep your views in mind.



Thank you again for contacting me. Please continue to keep me informed about issues of concern to you and your family.



Sincerely,

Debbie Stabenow

United States Senator

Our clubs flying field is on my property and I stay pretty much on the side and let the kids manage things. We all honor and respect the AMAs rules and safety is paramount. We place no restrictions on anyone about their flying beyond the safety issue. However if the morons in the FAA think they can place restrictions on what I do on my own property they need to take a break and rethink that position. No one will tell me what I cant do on my own flying field, if they want to do that they better bring some help. I will and I will allow membersand guests,to do as we have been doing. Want to fly your jet unrestricted, come see me. Craig

Unfortunately, the law does allow the FAA regulatory control over the airspace above your property.

Further, to keep this from being a 'hijack', that is why voting 'Yes' by definition here as being considered 'surrender' is disengeniuous. If the city/county/state drops the speed limit on a road, complying can't be considered 'surrender.' To vote 'no' and speed risks fines or other legal actions.

Now, even a police officer will say, as far as breaking a traffic law goes, if there's no cop, there's no stop. So certainly enforcement by the FAA could be very difficult. Even so, just as with a speed limit, a Federal Aviation Regulation is not a suggestion, it is law. Violate at your own risk. And for those of us who's livelihoods depend upon maintaining FAA certification, willfully violating FAR's is especially risky.

That said, the letter posted above by tacx is encouraging. All of the debates here on RCU about impending regulation of the hobby by the FAA may be moot.

Mr Sluggo......

You make a good point.


If the ruling, indeed, mirrors the senator's letter, what will the remaining RCU/AMA forum have left to debate?

The plane in my Avatar is a 1/4 Sig Clipped Wing Cub, RIP
Bit the dust last fall due to radio failure. I have replaced it with an AMR 33% J-3
Anthony

...hmmmm....hadn't considered that....

I haven't voted, because neither position reflects my response. If the worst case happens, I will fly within the rule, but continue working to get said rules revise, revoked, or find a way to work within the rules. That is NOT surrender.

Brad

I will continue to fly my 200mph plus jets at places I can, ie without rule people there watching.

Raf