Actually they already have, and it won't even cost any money or require FAA registration. It's unofficially called "RC Microflight". The FAA and AMA combined have just done a great job of promoting it.

As for the people who say not to hold the AMA responsible, I agree it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but they took ownership of the responsibility whether they like it or not, by including the craft.

I had for a number of years, and basically never flew at a flying field that required it, being rural. I doubt I'd do it now however, unless I were to join one.

So the AMA is now threatening people who have an issue with this? Is that what you would do if you ran it?

Do you think if let's say a year ago the AMA came out and banned anything with beyond line of sight capabilities i.e. FPV or GPS from being operated at any of their fields we'd be where we are right now?

If anyone would like to go to my poll thread , and read post #33 there , Mr. Hound very clearly called me a "Puppy Hater" , now puppy hater , puppy kicker , whatever , it's rotten behavior to be slamming the fellow posters like that and I personally have had enough . I have asked Hound repeatedly to knock off the personal insults , in fact I've asked everyone to try to remember these ARE your fellow hobbyists your talking to here , and so far Hound still thinks it's funny to call the fellow posters stupid , morons , and puppy haters . Tell ya what Hound , gloves are off , and I will from this point forward report each and every one of your personal insults directly to RC Ken himself . I don't really want to have to bother Ken with such petty BS , but this is now the third time I've asked Hound to tone down the meanness aimed at all who don't like his drones , and thus far it's only led to increased attacks and mean spirited posts that I will not ignore anymore .

Balls in your court , Hound , show a little respect , or expect to be hearing a lot from RC Ken , take your pick ........

Don't say anything mean or I'm gonna tell ken!!! Are you serious?

I don't like his drones either, but what I can't stand more is the OMG I'm offended I'm gonna whine and cry...how about manning up? He called you a puppy hater...and people wonder why ISIS is kicking our ass

Really ?

...and the price of tea in china is..... what again ?

Sorry you see it that way . Sick and tired of all the keyboard heros who post rotten stuff cause they think they're won't be any reprocussions . Now , since I can't possibly deliver a personal punch in the face to everyone who behaves like an A hole here , I'll just have to work within the system and let Ken handle the personal attack bullstuff . No whining , no kidding , just fed up tired with what are supposed to be intelligent adults trying their best to come up with annoying petty insults for all who won't follow in lock step with their every belief . You see that as whining ? No problem , I really don't care . I see it as attempting to use the only means available to elevate the level of conversation around here from schoolyard trash talk to something more befitting a group of old men sitting around talking about model aircraft .

Thank You for your concern and happy flying to ya .........

That answers the question.

Yes, really.

Copy this and paste it to anyone who offends you...Frank Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform...

Copy this and paste it to anyone who offends you...Frank Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform...

Honestly buddy , it ain't about being offended or about any kinds of political correctness , It's about being sick and tired of seeing adults behaving badly when the subject of model aircraft deserves better than trite one liners that do nothing but foster further discontent among the fellow posters . One person posts a BS insult . Next person just HAS to respond to it , before long , the original topic is buried under mounds of trash talk that befits our hobby how ?

Like I said , it ain't about offended or thin skin , it's about using whatever means available to filter out the QRM and get to the actual subject of model aircraft . There are plenty of political forums folks can go to if all they're looking for are hysterical rants that mean nothing , shouldn't we really be above such nonsense ?

Gentlemen, I'd rather RC Ken didn't have to get into this. A bit of civility, if you please.

Yes sir , it really shouldn't be too difficult to discuss model aircraft in a civil manner . Most out here get it . Those that don't , get reported . And then Ken takes care of it . All as it should be .

Aren't the drone people the ones that live under the bridge?

Back to the original issue, the AMA folks may or may not be the brightest bulbs on the tree, but the issue is with the FAA, not with AMA. The minds at FAA are made up and facts or logic have nothing to offer. When was the last time that anyone ever won any discussion or argument with FAA? Compared with the FAA, the IRS is comprised of quite a bunch of nice fellows! Sadly, I don't think there is much that can be done. You can wish for sharper minds at AMA headquarters but nobody could have done better considering the folks their dealing with in the "Gomment."

12146790]Actually they already have, and it won't even cost any money or require FAA registration. It's unofficially called "RC Microflight". The FAA and AMA combined have just done a great job of promoting it.

As for the people who say not to hold the AMA responsible, I agree it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but they took ownership of the responsibility whether they like it or not, by including the craft.

I had for a number of years, and basically never flew at a flying field that required it, being rural. I doubt I'd do it now however, unless I were to join one.


Disagreeing with an organization's policy is one thing. On the other hand, Would U put up with someone that hated your organization (CLUB) and despised/Bad mouthed everything the Club Officers did? I doubt it very much if they would continue to cause dissension & contempt in the club. Would U not refuse to admit them. Most clubs have a clause in their BY-LAWS that deal with just that issue.

Great points. Would also mention FAA gets marching orders as well, as do all govt agencies, and has to move forward with their directives. As for the AMA, and similar orgs, some people go right to what they perceive is the easiest solution...throw the bums out! We need new leadership, and here's all the things they need to do (which typically involve satisfying one persons needs). With only one exception have I ever seen someone take steps to assume a leadership role in the AMA, and not that much different at the club level either.

Take for instance the whole premise of not only doing away with the leadership of the AMA, they want to get rid of the AMA, as in all of it. I mean, after all, all they offer is insurance right? How long have you heard that false premise? SFA gave that a shot 20 plus years ago and imploded. Not one attempt since then that even comes close to the AMA. And here I was thinking it's just insurance they offer? Can't they take 15 minutes and save by calling Geico? Isn't Jake from Statefarm available to talk about rates and fashion?

Guess not.

GEICO works for me.

BINGO! They used to be the best, then dropped H/O policies and once the package deals went..so did the rates. Exceptional service from them too. Gotta give 'em credit for the latest ads too,....it's the FINAL COUNTDOWN. Tell me it's easy to get that song our of your head after seeing the ad.

On the one hand, The AMA was not the only organization in the battle. Other groups also lost out.
It is not Drones i..e. multicopters, per se.

The actual issue is
1) Camera enabled model aircraft
2) FPV enabled model aircraft
3) GPS enabled model aircraft with autonomous modes
4) BLOS beyond line of sight flying
5) telemetry enabled model aircraft
6) intruding controlled airspace
7) flying for commercial purposes

Again, its not multirotor, per se.

There was a way to make this distinction, which was in my comments to the FAA back at the beginning of the year

AMA would have done well to have adopted these distinctions and protected its base of traditional flyers.

On the other hand, the FAA crudely hurled this steaming piece of garbage ruling (SPOGR) onto us, the flying public.
They have thrown down the gauntlet and it is now our problem to walk this SPOGR back.
That is why I say, if you find yourself having enough time to rant on any RC website, and I am not saying that isn't fun / useful, then you have time to gather your thoughts, be cool, and call your Congressional Rep.
Mine had a staffer that was mature and reasonable, took my comments and contact info, and we had ourselves a good little chat.

Please call your Congressperson if you want to do anything about this situation. It starts there.
You might see I left my comment to do just that on the AMA's info youtube video.
THEY should have been helping us with that - that is what frosts my toes.
To me, they still aren't organized, and that makes me wonder how they were perceived by the FAA.

I understand that they have hired hotshot legal counsel in DC - but it didn't work.
I don't think any AMA big guys ever thought they would be in this kind of fight when they ran for office, so that is the break I will cut them.
However, I agree with some of the criticism, above, and this may be a watershed moment for AMA, where it may become less in the future.

ftfy.

Everyone I talked with agreed that this would happen, as soon as the drones became popular some years ago. I don't cut breaks for naivety.

I just think the AMA had its shot, what comes next could be its swan song.
I do believe this rule, it is not a law, can be walked back, showing that it does originate from an "Agency," not Congress.

My ounce of effort in this whole thing is to get people to call their Congressional Rep if they see this as an unwarranted encroachment on liberty, that we are being demonized by the FAA to the public, we have to be looking over our shoulder for flashing lights from now on. I want to be able to go to an empty park and fly without some handwringing soccer mom dialing 911, which by nature sets off a high-tension situation. THAT is what I foresee, coupled with with a Press that is ravenous for blood stories and will blow things way out of proportion to suit their needs. The small amount that I am around Press for business purposes, I tell everyone to be tight-lipped on anything. I've seen words twisted into unrecognizable statements when they hit print.

THAT, again, is why I am so against this. I did my thing about safety by joining the AMA two years ago when I re-entered the hobby. Since about that very time everything has gotten hairy. I do believe this rule can be walked back, and I believe the FAA knows that. They just used a blunderbust to start, not even a shotgun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWDrTXMgF8

It's official...I just read that Bob Brown and Dave Mathewson will both resign from the AMA effective Jan 1...ding dong the witch is dead...good riddance!!!