I actually read that post, I should get a plaque or a t shirt at least

I think they should up his post total by about five for that one.

Speedy,

So much continuous text I didn't even bother reading it. Try breaking down your thoughts into paragraphs.

Sounds like Speedy might be a checkbook modeler. Someone who buys all ARFS even expensive ones and gets the proper training, and is proficient, is not a checkbook modeler. Many posting here still do not get it.

speedy3do

Seems like you are having a blast. Keep up the enthusiasm...The hobby needs more like ya.

Hey Sport
your right, I do buy all ARFs just for the fact I don't have the time to build, I basicly taught myself and by myself out in the middle of a barley field and when I crashed I fixed it instead of pulling out a new one, a new one only came out when I couldn't fix the old one, and I mean couldn't!! I always have a good supply in the box, being built, built, but I like to fix, its the challenge, now I like to expeirment small plane big engine= a blast I don't buy into all the hype of fancy gear, to me that just adds a problem, the only glitchs I get are from bad servos, the best radio was a futaba 6xhs I had from my heli got broke best one now is an old flash5 the rest are cheapies and work well I fly a 40giles with a piped 46fx skysport4 got an old Byron Sukhio with a Quadra Q1000b in it it goes pretty good got an old Byron pitts and a christen eagle I'm scared of the because of the second wing, one of these days[8D] 1\4 extra300 with a A&M 3.2Sachs its neat half dozen spitfires I bought from Germany still in the box tried one and flew great tell it crashed blamed it on a glitch but the other day I was robbing a servo and descovered a broken servo horn one of those ajustable ones never use those again still got planes I have really forgot about and I seem to still buy more.
Okay lets cut to the chase this won't be another long one.
Point is I love this sport I am still learning and always will be in my mind I'm just ADDICTED plain and simple

First off, People who BUY ARFS or RTF planes are not MODELERS they FLY model airplanes! Only people who build and or fly what they have built, no matter how well at either in my mind can be considered modelers. The is nothing wrong with Checkbook Fliers just don't call them modelers.

LOL good point Ron. I guess I am a Modflyer since I both build and buy ARF's

Speedy join a club and get some buddy box time. You are crashing way too much.

I really appreciate the art of building. But, I don't have the patience for it. There are guys at our club who build fantastic models. They (the guys and the planes) fly great. I buy ARF's. If I want to fly, and I do, I have to buy ARF's. I don't consider myself a checkbook modeler. I do all of my repairs. In those repairs, I tend to overbuild. Several of my planes are salvaged from others who chose not to repair their planes. I look it over and say to myself "I can fix that". However, I have spent about $100 fixing a $160 ARF. The basic plane is already there.
I've watched a lot happening at our club. The builders are becoming fewer and fewer. Even the veterans are saying that you can't build a plane for what you pay for an ARF. So, just simple economics are putting the "checkbook modeler" into the spotlight. The builders are mostly building classics. And it's great to see. One of our club builders bought a P-51D ARF and stripped it, reworked it and is changing it to a P-51C. It's beautiful! He felt that buying the ARF was worth the money for the time and material it saved to get that far in the first place. As a matter of fact, one of his building projects only lived for about 8 minute in the air. It seemed to take a radio hit and went in. Destroyed. He wanted to fly, so he bought an ARF and flies it while he prepares he Mustang.

Obviously, no clear answer as to which is better. However, there are a lot more new friends getting together, thanks to ARF's.

Damn, this is fun!

Ron

I can see your point and seems rational...but maybe the label should be more specific..."checkbook remote control model fixed wing aircraft flier"...since I know a fellow that purchases full scale "built" aircraft...he would be a "checkbook flier" I guess with your logic...

so Heli fliers are the checkbook variety of modelers...errr...flier since helicopters only require assembly and not any actual building.

Building; construction by cutting, shaping of materials and assembling the parts made.
Assemble; to fit together the parts, pieces or assemblies.

So by the prevailing logic of most...Heli pilots are not modelers at all. Hmmm...

I'm surprised this thread keeps going. The guy that started it did not understand the term and took offense to it. Maybe he should have and maybe not.

A checkbook modeler is not someone that flys ARF's or has planes built for him, or anyone that spends a lot of money on the hobby/sport. It is aimed at the guy that does not realize that you can not buy ability and that there is a learning curve associated with different types of aircraft. Some go through the learning curve faster than others and it has nothing to do with time in the hobby.

There is a thread of RC defintions in the Humor Forum, and this thread is heading for it.

Wow someone has way to much time on there hands.
Who cares Checkbook modelers, 3D guys, warbird guys the new guy the old guy, all makeup a club. Some have moreability some less that will be the way it remains from now till the put you in a hole.
If someone does not like the way the other is doing it, he should go back to 2nd grade. Or better yet quit the club so the rest can have fun.

Checkbook modelers ? We have to love them, everybody loves them !!! Hobby shop`s love them ! , Mail order Co`s love them ! , Manufacture`s love them ! , Club`s love them ! , not only they are part of this great hobby, they keep prices down too ( HIGH demand ), they give stuff away, they sell almost new stuff cheap everytime something new hits the corner, and they always come to true modelers with the most simple questions. I believe this is part of the fun. I know a new Checkbookmodeler who now buys 40% IMAC airplanes because he keeps crashing small airplanes, he says small airplanes are harder to fly !!! PLEASE somebody jump this theme to the Humor page !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Note: I know a couple of C.B. modelers who can "Kick-ass" flying.

Ah-ha... So if the fellow realizes that he will buy many planes and crash them before he learns to fly proficiently is NOT a checkbook modeler. He would just be a model crasher.[sm=drowning.gif]That makes some sense. Hmmm... there are many cases of checkbook modeling then...but it is short lived[X(]

When I started in this hobby, just after the Neolithic era, some people considered it bad to build a plane using plans, let alone buying a kit (which, at that time, didn't even use die-cutting and you had to cut out the ribs and formers yourself) or an ARF (which didn't exist then).

They were also wrong to have that opinion!

You do what you want to. It's a great hobby where you can express yourself, not a means of keeping up with other people's phobias.

-David C.

davvid c.,
i wouldn't say they were rong to have that opinion, just very narrow minded.
and the world has always been and always will be full of narrow minded folks on their narrow minded way.

True.

-DC

How many people are posting without reading the other posts? Seems a majority to me.

I have no idea.

Why do you ask?

-David C.

Because a checkbook modeler is someone who cannot properly fly his aircraft and buys large and or fast aircraft he cannot fly. People keep equating that with typical modelers who buy ARF's.

A checkbook modeler should be discriminated against because he is dangerous! He should be required to get some buddy box time, or additional time on smaller, easier models; before flying fast or large aircraft.

You believe that all "checkbook modelers" are dangerous and should be discriminated against. How exactly should we do that? Maybe we should not provide any help or instruction...that'll teach em! What say ye?

By definition they are the ones that will not take help or insturction. That is what makes them dangerous.

Hmmm... That would be your definition but there are others.

J_R----Save your breath...Some guys just don't get it.

Kevin

YOU can say that again