Why join the AMA??? PROS/CONS
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ORIGINAL: on_your_six
I just don't get the AMA park flier program..... our parks here SPECIFICALLY ban flying in our local parks. In fact, it is the first item on the list of things that are banned (so I guess we are worse than dog poo).
I just don't get the AMA park flier program..... our parks here SPECIFICALLY ban flying in our local parks. In fact, it is the first item on the list of things that are banned (so I guess we are worse than dog poo).
ORIGINAL: on_your_six
So as the AMA promotes flying in the parks, I expect to see other localities do the same and ban the practice. I think that is the responsible action because even the small planes and helis can hurt people and property.
So as the AMA promotes flying in the parks, I expect to see other localities do the same and ban the practice. I think that is the responsible action because even the small planes and helis can hurt people and property.
Not sure I understand but I hope you are not one of those that can't see the possibilities of many Parks finding ways to accomodate model flying...at least to some degree...
ORIGINAL: on_your_six
Each pilot has different skills. What is ok for one is clearly not going to work for others.
Each pilot has different skills. What is ok for one is clearly not going to work for others.
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It depends on the park.
Some AMA fans say one park below is a great place to fly small area craft (PF/Heli)
while declaring they would never consider something as dangerous as flying in the other pictured park.
AMA even chartered a club on one of these parks
Some AMA fans say one park below is a great place to fly small area craft (PF/Heli)
while declaring they would never consider something as dangerous as flying in the other pictured park.
AMA even chartered a club on one of these parks
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i have to say tinner1 after everything you've said in this thread alone you'd make one heck of a positive recruiter for the ama , and i see the last few post here have been for the most part positive in there respones , let me just add it's not the clubs or the ama that really makes the difference it's the peoplethat are involved that makes the difference , you take that positive attitude and head down to your local farmer ,and ask if you can use a little dark corner to fly ,and if the farmer is welling to talk address all of his concerns and a big one i've found over the years is keep the number of people you bring out low , if not none the first few months .
i've always been welling to help the farmers out work on the farm equipment or whatever it takes , hey for a few hours on the weekend you get a great place to fly for free ( when there are no crops of coarse) .
the whole thing with me i don't really care if your ama or not if your flying your flying and sometimes we are flying togeather , i do not remember ever asking the guy standing next to me if he was one or not , we're normally laughing to hard to ask that question........
thanks combatpigg it is a twisted sense of humor too.
one more thing i may have to join the ama oneday, just because i need somewhere to fly and i hope that the people i meet there are just like the people that have gathered right her on this thread......................
on the park program thang' let me say i'd have no problem if it was just over wieght of the plane, i've heard though that some clubs(maybe not yours but some) do not admit you in unless it's full membership and i'll save that fight for another forum........................lol
i've always been welling to help the farmers out work on the farm equipment or whatever it takes , hey for a few hours on the weekend you get a great place to fly for free ( when there are no crops of coarse) .
the whole thing with me i don't really care if your ama or not if your flying your flying and sometimes we are flying togeather , i do not remember ever asking the guy standing next to me if he was one or not , we're normally laughing to hard to ask that question........
thanks combatpigg it is a twisted sense of humor too.
one more thing i may have to join the ama oneday, just because i need somewhere to fly and i hope that the people i meet there are just like the people that have gathered right her on this thread......................
on the park program thang' let me say i'd have no problem if it was just over wieght of the plane, i've heard though that some clubs(maybe not yours but some) do not admit you in unless it's full membership and i'll save that fight for another forum........................lol
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You admit to not knowing much of AMA, its clubs or members, and base your feelings on what is said here.
Yeah, very open-minded.
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Thanks albsurfer. We all feel for you. Perhaps the only way the AMA can change is by us oddballs staying/joining and talking the ''bad seeds'' into leaving. [8D]
Thanks albsurfer. We all feel for you. Perhaps the only way the AMA can change is by us oddballs staying/joining and talking the ''bad seeds'' into leaving. [8D]
Yeah, very open-minded.
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Sometimes the only way to change a club is to JOIN that club and talk your flying buddies into doing the same. Challenge the old, established, "we don't want no new stuff" members by outnumbering them. Then and only then can you set the tone for such a club. Moaning about it and saying you won't join does absolutely nothing but maintain the status quo.
For those who say that nothing would happen to our shared hobby if the AMA didn't exist, that the FAA "doesn't care" about us, well, you're sadly mistaken. Right now the AMA is closely involved with the FAA committee that is developing the rules for the use of SUAS (Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems) in US airspace - and you better believe that our model aircraft most assuredly DO fall under the SUAS definition. The AMA is coordinating with the FAA to see that these new regulations have as little impact as possible on our hobby. Without such representation it could easily be that you would be unable to fly RC or other model aircraft without the proper FAA licensing - or at all. If the FAA "didn't care" about our hobby, why then are we specifically included in NOTAMs, and why do we have specific altitude limits in place for flying near airports? Those two alone tell me the FAA is VERY much aware of our activities and DOES "care about" our hobby. And not always in a good way. Folks, the AMA is the ONLY group that represents aeromodeling on a national level. Without it there would BE no representation and we would have no say in whatever the government decided to do.
There are far more reasons for joining the AMA than just competition, the magazine, the museum or joining an AMA chartered club. Protecting our right to enjoy our hobby is one.
For those who say that nothing would happen to our shared hobby if the AMA didn't exist, that the FAA "doesn't care" about us, well, you're sadly mistaken. Right now the AMA is closely involved with the FAA committee that is developing the rules for the use of SUAS (Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems) in US airspace - and you better believe that our model aircraft most assuredly DO fall under the SUAS definition. The AMA is coordinating with the FAA to see that these new regulations have as little impact as possible on our hobby. Without such representation it could easily be that you would be unable to fly RC or other model aircraft without the proper FAA licensing - or at all. If the FAA "didn't care" about our hobby, why then are we specifically included in NOTAMs, and why do we have specific altitude limits in place for flying near airports? Those two alone tell me the FAA is VERY much aware of our activities and DOES "care about" our hobby. And not always in a good way. Folks, the AMA is the ONLY group that represents aeromodeling on a national level. Without it there would BE no representation and we would have no say in whatever the government decided to do.
There are far more reasons for joining the AMA than just competition, the magazine, the museum or joining an AMA chartered club. Protecting our right to enjoy our hobby is one.
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But I do know how to do statistical analysis !
But I do know how to do statistical analysis !


Seriously, from one AMA member to another I apologize for the behavior of some (including myself if I'm a contributor) giving such a negative image of AMA members. Sometimes folks can get just a bit testy in defending an institution they believe in. Not always a good thing as it can lead someone to believe that the institution in question is full of rude, confrontational and arrogant folks when the case is just the opposite. I'm not saying those types don't belong to the AMA because they do - just as they belong to every other group or organization I can think of. Unfortunately they also tend to be the most vocal at times, especially when a question like "Why join the AMA" comes up.
The AMA is an organization that supports all aspects of the aeromodeling hobby. You see more about competitions simply because of the need for the rules and guidelines for such to be readily available to all. I wish the AMAdidn't have to focus so heavily on that aspect, as it does tend to mask the other areas.
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I do want to clarify a few things regarding my post because everything isn't negative associated with the AMA.
Our local club got a new president a couple of years ago, but he hasn't been real active lately. I'm sure it's work/economy related because he owns his own business.
About 1/2 dozen of our local members are at the events, but they are mostly younger people in their 20's, 30's, 40's.
A few of the "old-timers" do judging only, and only one of those guys does more than one event a year.
The number one flight instructor we had, who taught at least 40+ people that I am aware of, was scorned by the club, until they got the new president.
Yes, the clubs need fresh members to get things going again, but new members normally don't have the build, tuning, and flight knowledge to really make it fun.
The economy has hit everyone badly and I know people who can't afford a gallon of fuel a month, much less a new plane/engine.
I think the AMA will flourish more, and especially local clubs, when the economy comes back up. But... as it has been said here, more need to join to bring about change from within.
So, just like I need to do this year, get off your rears & high horses (a few of you in this respect), JOIN the AMA and let's get some changes going.
Our local club got a new president a couple of years ago, but he hasn't been real active lately. I'm sure it's work/economy related because he owns his own business.
About 1/2 dozen of our local members are at the events, but they are mostly younger people in their 20's, 30's, 40's.
A few of the "old-timers" do judging only, and only one of those guys does more than one event a year.
The number one flight instructor we had, who taught at least 40+ people that I am aware of, was scorned by the club, until they got the new president.
Yes, the clubs need fresh members to get things going again, but new members normally don't have the build, tuning, and flight knowledge to really make it fun.
The economy has hit everyone badly and I know people who can't afford a gallon of fuel a month, much less a new plane/engine.
I think the AMA will flourish more, and especially local clubs, when the economy comes back up. But... as it has been said here, more need to join to bring about change from within.
So, just like I need to do this year, get off your rears & high horses (a few of you in this respect), JOIN the AMA and let's get some changes going.
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Hey riddler ,I build subdivsions ,put streets in and retention ponds here in IL. It is a great day when i have a 1000 ft by 40ft of brand new black top to fly off of. Then i can bring out a sea plane and fly in the pond too. I try to put street lights in last not to mess up my brand new flying site with poles in the way. lol I put in a first faze and they start building homes but the second faze stays home owner free for a while. With the housing market lately a long while . joe
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I think the AMA will flourish more, and especially local clubs, when the economy comes back up.
I think the AMA will flourish more, and especially local clubs, when the economy comes back up.
Currently our club is very busy. Unemployed and retired members meet daily tofly or just hang out.I would think a similar phenomenom is occuring aroud the country.
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Now you've gone and done it, Frank. Spoiled a perfectly good excuse for doing nothing that so many folks took comfort in. All we had to was sit and wait for the economy to rebound. Now what?
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I joined just because I want to see the Park Program flourish. Rather than AMA club fields, I would like to see public parks and private fields opened up to those with small planes and helicopters. Considering that in over a year the AMA hasn't even finished the Park Program web pages, I doubt that they care about it. Maybe it was just bait and switch tactic, maybe they just gave up. I would like to propose to my park service with the AMA park program but I have little to show them except a lot of dead links.
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I have watched the ebbs and flows of the RC hobby for decades. It is not related to the poor economy. In fact, RC activity often decreases during times of prosperity and increases during recessions. People often move up to more expensive hobbies like boating or RVing when times are good. . The RC population tends to peak every 5 to 7 years and then retreat again. In this decade, the return of modelers was in the form of electric/park flyer type modelers uninterested in AMA. While it might appear to the AMA that the hobby is in decline the very opposite is likely the case. People aren't leaving AMA clubs because of costs or attitudes. They are leaving for convienence. And the demographic has changed as well. Many products are now directed toward younger people that may not be old enough to drive to an AMA facilty. And they feel that they really don't need one.
Currently our club is very busy. Unemployed and retired members meet daily to fly or just hang out. I would think a similar phenomenom is occuring aroud the country.
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I think the AMA will flourish more, and especially local clubs, when the economy comes back up.
I think the AMA will flourish more, and especially local clubs, when the economy comes back up.
Currently our club is very busy. Unemployed and retired members meet daily to fly or just hang out. I would think a similar phenomenom is occuring aroud the country.
This recession may be a bit different than others before, and the decline in AMA, (and many other enthusiast orgs.) may be the proof. Or maybe not.
Most folks involved in construction, manufacturing, retailing, service industries etc., are working less hours (if working at all) for less money than in recent memory. How that can not affect hobby spending is beyond me.
I would have to see some stats. to prove to me that our hobby has grown during this recession.
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ok i go out and fly and look at all this .....
ok albsurfer i see maryland , not sure where but if your close to va. and fimiliar with rt. 301/207 you can check out caroline h.s. , behind the school is a good 250 - 300 yards of field i know it would be a drive but if your close to va., the schools have open fields and the police will normally pull in and watch they are a little more liad back then your home state ( the locals trust me i know about the state police ) .
tarasdad , if we ever meet you gotta' let shake your hand , i may not agree 100% but well put .
the ama it's self talks about it's declining membership ,and the park flyers well i love flying my foamy around, i just don't do it at parks where alot of people end up , this is where my insurance issue's begin , i believe you are covered at your flying field 110% , on private property with writen' premission 110% anywhere else unless specified directly 40% .
and when and if i join the ama it won't be for the insurance it well be because of :
tinner1
joebahl
tarasdad
and all the guys on here that i haven't listed because i lost my mind longer before all this started .
one more thing i really do believe that as long as your getting people into the hobby they well find there way sooner or later to the ama , and this and any other forum like this , and here's my advise - you really won't know till you stop by your local flying field and check it out for yourself . !
you can read this till your blue , it won't tell you about the people in your area , you run into 80% of these guys at your field you'd probably go home and join anyways .
i have followed my own advise but every time i've stopped by my local field there's no one in my age group , and it just makes you feel a little out of place .
ok albsurfer i see maryland , not sure where but if your close to va. and fimiliar with rt. 301/207 you can check out caroline h.s. , behind the school is a good 250 - 300 yards of field i know it would be a drive but if your close to va., the schools have open fields and the police will normally pull in and watch they are a little more liad back then your home state ( the locals trust me i know about the state police ) .
tarasdad , if we ever meet you gotta' let shake your hand , i may not agree 100% but well put .
the ama it's self talks about it's declining membership ,and the park flyers well i love flying my foamy around, i just don't do it at parks where alot of people end up , this is where my insurance issue's begin , i believe you are covered at your flying field 110% , on private property with writen' premission 110% anywhere else unless specified directly 40% .
and when and if i join the ama it won't be for the insurance it well be because of :
tinner1
joebahl
tarasdad
and all the guys on here that i haven't listed because i lost my mind longer before all this started .
one more thing i really do believe that as long as your getting people into the hobby they well find there way sooner or later to the ama , and this and any other forum like this , and here's my advise - you really won't know till you stop by your local flying field and check it out for yourself . !
you can read this till your blue , it won't tell you about the people in your area , you run into 80% of these guys at your field you'd probably go home and join anyways .
i have followed my own advise but every time i've stopped by my local field there's no one in my age group , and it just makes you feel a little out of place .
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Fiddler ,the last one i built was in diamond il. I went out on a sunday to fly on my brand new black top and ran into 4 guys flying park flyers on my new run way . lol They seen the company name and the name of the new subdivision on my company van and they thought they were in trouble untill i opened the side doors and pulled out my top flight at-6 and told them it was time to fly . I dont have to be hush hush about flying there cause i am the big boss. lol joe ps i did not ask if they had ama cards and there was nothing to hit with their planes, except their own cars and trucks or the lake. bye all and happy flying to you . fiddler you can be my wing man any time .joe
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i needed a good laugh ............. i always say "the worst thing they can do is tell you to leave"
are we doin' the top gun thing ..............no........you can be my wing man.
lmfao !!!!!!!!!!!
i'm going to end up joining the ama just to scare you guys ................lol !
are we doin' the top gun thing ..............no........you can be my wing man.
lmfao !!!!!!!!!!!
i'm going to end up joining the ama just to scare you guys ................lol !
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riddler I ride a harley like a mad man . 97 road king and a swamp boat with a 300 hp continental motor on it carbon fiber prop. abought 70 mph on the water, slower on land. lmao I dont think you could scare me but I know i could scare you. Forget the top gun bull . lol joe
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For those who say that nothing would happen to our shared hobby if the AMA didn't exist, that the FAA ''doesn't care'' about us, well, you're sadly mistaken. Right now the AMA is closely involved with the FAA committee that is developing the rules for the use of SUAS (Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems) in US airspace - and you better believe that our model aircraft most assuredly DO fall under the SUAS definition. The AMA is coordinating with the FAA to see that these new regulations have as little impact as possible on our hobby. Without such representation it could easily be that you would be unable to fly RC or other model aircraft without the proper FAA licensing - or at all. If the FAA ''didn't care'' about our hobby, why then are we specifically included in NOTAMs, and why do we have specific altitude limits in place for flying near airports? Those two alone tell me the FAA is VERY much aware of our activities and DOES ''care about'' our hobby. And not always in a good way. Folks, the AMA is the ONLY group that represents aeromodeling on a national level. Without it there would BE no representation and we would have no say in whatever the government decided to do.
For those who say that nothing would happen to our shared hobby if the AMA didn't exist, that the FAA ''doesn't care'' about us, well, you're sadly mistaken. Right now the AMA is closely involved with the FAA committee that is developing the rules for the use of SUAS (Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems) in US airspace - and you better believe that our model aircraft most assuredly DO fall under the SUAS definition. The AMA is coordinating with the FAA to see that these new regulations have as little impact as possible on our hobby. Without such representation it could easily be that you would be unable to fly RC or other model aircraft without the proper FAA licensing - or at all. If the FAA ''didn't care'' about our hobby, why then are we specifically included in NOTAMs, and why do we have specific altitude limits in place for flying near airports? Those two alone tell me the FAA is VERY much aware of our activities and DOES ''care about'' our hobby. And not always in a good way. Folks, the AMA is the ONLY group that represents aeromodeling on a national level. Without it there would BE no representation and we would have no say in whatever the government decided to do.
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joebahl ........no scared is one thing i've never been , your driving i don't know about though............lmfao
see old bikers never die they just keep running into each other , i've rode harleys all my life , till about 3 years ago when a car decided to ocupy the same space as me , and today i now set off metal detectors in the court house , and i'm a addict though if it don't go fast then heck with it .
it's funny how stuff works out ain't it from our first words .........now i'm proud to call you friend .
there will always be need for organizations even when people think they are wrong or right , and everyone remember opinions are like "censored" everyone got one .
you need to just stop by your local club flying field and reserve judgement till you meet the people there you never know you might join the ama after all. i know ( "gulp" ) i have i said it , i'll keep saying it though, it won't be the insurance that will change my mind , it has been the people that has started to change my perception of the ama , and the fact that i might want to hang out and exchange lies and storys with most of them
see old bikers never die they just keep running into each other , i've rode harleys all my life , till about 3 years ago when a car decided to ocupy the same space as me , and today i now set off metal detectors in the court house , and i'm a addict though if it don't go fast then heck with it .
it's funny how stuff works out ain't it from our first words .........now i'm proud to call you friend .
there will always be need for organizations even when people think they are wrong or right , and everyone remember opinions are like "censored" everyone got one .
you need to just stop by your local club flying field and reserve judgement till you meet the people there you never know you might join the ama after all. i know ( "gulp" ) i have i said it , i'll keep saying it though, it won't be the insurance that will change my mind , it has been the people that has started to change my perception of the ama , and the fact that i might want to hang out and exchange lies and storys with most of them
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being i worked under the fcc in the commercial field as a contractor with motorola and sony ericson on emergency systems and cell towers , someone said hieght restrictions around airports , yeh that is big time for the towers i've seen what a 737 does to a tower up close when someone screws up , the plane had a scratch the tower was done and the faa had this one company by the u'ho's needless to say that company was like the tower ,....done.
i know you know why ,and i'm not nit picking so please don't take it that way .
could you just imagine what would happen if a rc plane or heli hit a small plane in the right place , i couldn't live with myself if i was the one who did that . those rules are good rules for so many reasons .
the fcc what can i say, the transmitters are not powerful enough to do any damage , and if you look at any electronic device it says the same thing on all of them, "this device must not cause interference but may recieve interference . your transmitter shouldn't cause any interference .
your reciever well there is in where the problem starts . and if someone starts to mess with your reciever like any cb radio , yup anything other then 2.4 and your flirting with danger .any 18 wheeler just passing by and boom it's all over .
i know you know why ,and i'm not nit picking so please don't take it that way .
could you just imagine what would happen if a rc plane or heli hit a small plane in the right place , i couldn't live with myself if i was the one who did that . those rules are good rules for so many reasons .
the fcc what can i say, the transmitters are not powerful enough to do any damage , and if you look at any electronic device it says the same thing on all of them, "this device must not cause interference but may recieve interference . your transmitter shouldn't cause any interference .
your reciever well there is in where the problem starts . and if someone starts to mess with your reciever like any cb radio , yup anything other then 2.4 and your flirting with danger .any 18 wheeler just passing by and boom it's all over .
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ok i go out and fly and look at all this .....
ok albsurfer i see maryland , not sure where but if your close to va. and fimiliar with rt. 301/207 you can check out caroline h.s. , behind the school is a good 250 - 300 yards of field i know it would be a drive but if your close to va., the schools have open fields and the police will normally pull in and watch they are a little more liad back then your home state ( the locals trust me i know about the state police ) .
tarasdad , if we ever meet you gotta' let shake your hand , i may not agree 100% but well put .
the ama it's self talks about it's declining membership ,and the park flyers well i love flying my foamy around, i just don't do it at parks where alot of people end up , this is where my insurance issue's begin , i believe you are covered at your flying field 110% , on private property with writen' premission 110% anywhere else unless specified directly 40% .
and when and if i join the ama it won't be for the insurance it well be because of :
tinner1
joebahl
tarasdad
and all the guys on here that i haven't listed because i lost my mind longer before all this started .
one more thing i really do believe that as long as your getting people into the hobby they well find there way sooner or later to the ama , and this and any other forum like this , and here's my advise - you really won't know till you stop by your local flying field and check it out for yourself . !
you can read this till your blue , it won't tell you about the people in your area , you run into 80% of these guys at your field you'd probably go home and join anyways .
i have followed my own advise but every time i've stopped by my local field there's no one in my age group , and it just makes you feel a little out of place .
ok i go out and fly and look at all this .....
ok albsurfer i see maryland , not sure where but if your close to va. and fimiliar with rt. 301/207 you can check out caroline h.s. , behind the school is a good 250 - 300 yards of field i know it would be a drive but if your close to va., the schools have open fields and the police will normally pull in and watch they are a little more liad back then your home state ( the locals trust me i know about the state police ) .
tarasdad , if we ever meet you gotta' let shake your hand , i may not agree 100% but well put .
the ama it's self talks about it's declining membership ,and the park flyers well i love flying my foamy around, i just don't do it at parks where alot of people end up , this is where my insurance issue's begin , i believe you are covered at your flying field 110% , on private property with writen' premission 110% anywhere else unless specified directly 40% .
and when and if i join the ama it won't be for the insurance it well be because of :
tinner1
joebahl
tarasdad
and all the guys on here that i haven't listed because i lost my mind longer before all this started .
one more thing i really do believe that as long as your getting people into the hobby they well find there way sooner or later to the ama , and this and any other forum like this , and here's my advise - you really won't know till you stop by your local flying field and check it out for yourself . !
you can read this till your blue , it won't tell you about the people in your area , you run into 80% of these guys at your field you'd probably go home and join anyways .
i have followed my own advise but every time i've stopped by my local field there's no one in my age group , and it just makes you feel a little out of place .
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Just curious as to why so close to an air field? Is the restrictes area that huge? We have military airfeild and a life-line flight path we deal with and never heard or read of any incidents.
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From: sebring, FL
i saw maryland somewhere .................oh, no they always said it's the mind you lose first , darn it ,well i wasn't calling you out in anyway at least , lol. it's hard i'm sure to figure altitude without a altimeter , i know the local club out here keeps it to 400 foot , and i know for myself i try 300 foot and below and when ever i hear or see a small plane i bring it on in , and out here in florida the i.q. level for pilots seems a little low , for what ever reason they fly real low and i do mean low like right at 450 - 500 foot , i don't understand the faa allowing that considering how many small planes crash in florida in the first place , but at least they can see my finger when they fly over ! lol .
you know how it goes albsurfer, one thinks he's better then the next and they think you should kiss the ground behind them .
i myself have to be intoxicated to get on a plane without a parachute , but i love aviation ( the mechanics) . so rc flying for me was the sub.
i was going into the navy but got traded off to the corp, i don't know how that worked out but it did .
and yes feel free to insert joke !
ah it was on_your_six ,i knew i saw maryland ..... the weather still hot up that way , my brother said it was 55 degrees the other night up on the mountian.
you know how it goes albsurfer, one thinks he's better then the next and they think you should kiss the ground behind them .
i myself have to be intoxicated to get on a plane without a parachute , but i love aviation ( the mechanics) . so rc flying for me was the sub.
i was going into the navy but got traded off to the corp, i don't know how that worked out but it did .
and yes feel free to insert joke !
ah it was on_your_six ,i knew i saw maryland ..... the weather still hot up that way , my brother said it was 55 degrees the other night up on the mountian.
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dbcisco, in SoCal (Southern California), land is at a premium, especially open land. We have a golf-course on one side of our field, 3 open sections of field surrounding the rest, and another park on the other side of a 5 lane street. It's in a public park area, but we have housing & businesses only 1/3 mile away. No other place close to get use of land, especially considering fire hazards in the rest of the open land 7 miles from us. The park service doesn't care if a jet crashes on this particular piece of land because it's isolated to a point, and mostly brush around us. It is dry here by May 1rst and a lot of land becomes fire hazards. SoCal in the LA & San Diego areas are also on water restrictions because of drought over the last 9 years that has occurred and north of us, the Owens Valley Dry Lake is now getting water back due to contract expirations with them. The LA area used to get a HUGE chunk of their water from the Owens Valley, until this year. Even Van Nuys airport is surrounded by housing & businesses.


