This is where you are wrong. The rules of man and the rules of what is right come into allignment when the need arises. If you examine what you're saying closely, it doesn't hold water.
You don't work on the Supreme Court, do you?

there was a tombstone once that read "here lies the body of jim grey who alwas insisted on his right of way" happy flying, capt

I don't see how one can say in this case the R/C pilot is wrong. The helicopter may be right or wrong depending on the reason he was flying so fast and low. If indeed he was flying that fast and low.

I really dont want to,
and I surely will regret it later...


but I agree with Sport Pilot
that is it, cut & dry
We can debate if the heli guy was wrong,
but regardless of that we know GlacierGirl was right
[assuming the 1st person facts we read hear are accurate]

KE, you're just not trying hard enough to get into the Kantisht frame of mind where there is no darkness, just an absense of light........

I dont think we need to put Glacier Girl in a SchrodingerBox to declare him neither/both Right & Wrong.

When a Texan is handed a closed box with a cat that is both dead and alive,
we toss the box off a bridge and declare it time for a new cat either way.

Folks tend to forget that most theoretical philosophy needs to end with ",except in Texas"



Besides,
its not that we should hold the heli pilot to the laws of man,
but hold him to the laws of government [8D]

Access doesn't believe what he says. If so, Access would not have posted here. After all, any posting is irrelevant according to Access

I apologize for not reading the entire Thread. Just parts are exhausting.

If I missed it, I apologize again, but I see nothing said about the flying field being "sanctioned" by the AMA. Is this a "rogue" field not recognized by the AMA?

As a former Commercial Pilot, and owner of my own Seaplane business, Island Air, and life long model builder, and member of the AMA, I would like to add this.

I actually started building models at age seven but didn't take a flying less till age 18. I have over 55 years of model building experience and 2,000 hrs. of left seat time as PIC, in a few different aircraft.

In my view, this means absolutely nothing and it doesn't make an individual smart or cleaver. Never has never will.

However, anyone who flies a model airplane, in a field which is not sanctioned by the AMA, must realize they are in the wrong to begin with and should not be there. Anything after that is totally their fault and responsibility.

Charles

Don't get me wrong, Glaciergirl may be right. I'm not privy to all the laws and I try never to be "Dead right" at all costs. I'd rather THINK that I'm right (and duck my RC bird away to fight another day) and follow up afterward through the right channels (if it means that much to me) and find out whether that (News? Police? Ambulance? Lifeline? Weather?) Helicopter was specifically allowed to be at that height and flying over our field.

Personally I'm not that curious nor am I that obsessed with who is right or wrong. The way I figure it, if I'm unable to avoid a full-scale bird of any type over my RC field then I need some lessons so I can avoid the SWARM of RC sized birds that fill the sky above our field on any given Saturday.

Sounds like a good way to lose a bunch of flying time. Of course some guys will come up with any old reason to avoid going home to their wives. I used to do that. This particular wife happens to have hung the moon and I'll leave Joe Blow to go and find out why the Heli choose my field to fly over. I'm going home to good food and good lovin' !! After the proper application of after-run oil, of course. We must keep our priorities straight.

Keep the rubber side down when you bring 'em home, boys.......

Jim

AMA does not in any manner "sanction", approve, authorize, or recognize a flying site. There is no such thing as an AMA sanctioned flying site. AMA charters club and sanctions events. AMA will, if requested by a club, issue a certificate of additional insurance to the entity that owns the land that a club has their field on.

That said, all AMA requires of a member is that they have permission from the land owner or their authorized agent to fly at the place they are flying. Glacier Girl and the group he flies with appear to meet that condition.

I keep saying that in this particular incident Glacier Girl did everything right and the heli pilot did nothing wrong. Beyond that, I feel that as model pilots we need to take on the responsibility of insuring that we steer clear of full size to whatever extent we can.

Avaiojet
if you truly believe this,
you need to call your DVP and have him explain members flying on private & public property to you
I'm not even gonna try, you should take it from the source.

Well, this is the way it's done in your communist countries, you can't just fly when and where you want without "sanctioning". Papers please [8D]?

Being Sanctioned by the AMA means nothing at all.. Rogue is a misnomer, the proper term should be non-AMA field. Wrong has NOTHING to do with it. They are simply not insured by the AMA. As is the case in most incidents involving RC planes, including those "insured by the AMA".....AMA is a last-resort insurance and does not come into play until your household and other insurances are exhausted.

DO NOT call other-than-AMA fields "WRONG" in front of me again, or I'll be supplying an earfull of education. I am a current AMA member, paid right now through 2011. That is so I can go and fly at AMA fields with friends there. No other reason.

ANYBODY is entitled to go and fly on private property. We ALL take our chances out there, and that little AMA card makes little difference. Just like any insurance company, if they can find a way to squirm out of paying, they use it to their full advantage. Not to mention that their Magazine leaves MUCH to be desired. Talk about WRONG!!!

Jim

What is it about Texas that makes everyone right? You ought to get out and see the rest of the world....there are others that are much smaller and less significant but we all get along... Never met person more right than a texan....whats up with texas and right people? Is it against the law to be wrong down there?

Why is this thread still being pounded to death? I see no real problem solving going on here. Just the same crew of know it all's putting their left foot forward. It's really too bad that this forum has come to this. Hard to get a straight answer or civil discussion out of this place. Should be called the Giant Pissing Contest Forum.

Edit it as you wish.....just sick of the same BS day after day.

Kevin

This forum is a good demonstartion as to why its been posted to begin with, no-one is prepared to concede a point and therefore no compromise can be reached, therefore the only solution will be "big brother" coming in and laying down a new book of laws that no-one will like.................. god bless america ............. she needs it badly

Kevin, maybe they can install a special forum blocking button with an auto-redirect to RCG?

?????????????
Glacier Girl is not in Texas... what does Right&Wrong have to do with Texas?

If you need a Schodinger Box taken care of,
yawl come visit and we'll put out some Briskit & SweetTea.

If you want to discuss Glacier Girl (in PA?) doing the right thing when a hazard was created,
what does Texas or one of the 49 'flag lower than US flag' states have to do with it?

Beat around it ....Yes maybe that feature would help get answers to real questions instead of lighting the fuse of the "right 5". Funny that no matter who starts the thread it is always the same few that argue and dismember each other over it. At first I saw humor in it. Now I see a bunch of overgrown 8 year olds having the same old pissing contest about who knows mroe and who is more right. I know I am not the only one who see this happening. I feel for the people that must live with the "right 5"....or is it 6?

Hey CP...maybe you can use your pull and moxy to get that button available to us?

Kevin

Mugen
if you want, me and the boys can come over
and beat up whoever it is that is forcing you to read threads you dont like,
granting you the option to just not read them, not post to them, and not insult the folks that do

... as a personal favor to ya, one 8yo contest pisser to another
... or are you & I BottomFeeders... I always get that mixed up

KE, it's like trying to tell a moth to ignore the flame, or a house fly to ignore the big, steaming pile of........

This thread has officially jumped the shark, several pages back...

Dont worry Thomas
I'm sure we will get some more guys coming in to explain it to us,
that the model should always get out of the way of the fullsize

I take it your the fly?

Right or wrong it's funny how some are allowed to insult others. Must be pals with the mod?

Now that's the most ridiculous statement I've read in a long time! LOL, even the AMA insurance will cover you if NOT at an AMA field! Ever hear of the AMA Parkflier program?

I'm not even going to get into a debate about that, but it's simply wrong.

Skarn

Avaiojet, are you saying that only those who fly in AMA chartered fields are abiding by the law?

Kevin