Xup, welcome to the UCD subculture. We can guide your build, but there aren't appropriate words to describe the delight of your future experience with this model. You havn't even started reading untill you skip over to the monster thread in 3D Flying. Joe

Got the 110 mounted. 5-1/2" from back of spinner to firewall. Nice and tight to aid in balance, No chance of the blue stripe lining up now. A new cowl is in order, with the existing access holes and the new ones required, it will look like swiss cheese. Got some plumbing to do and relocation of the throttle linkage. Then its balance time. Work is interfering with pleasure, as usuall. Joe

XUP..

...Here endeth your life as you knew it.....what motor ya got for it .. ...some digitals from inwoood [:-]...still on offer i might add... ...err.. £.....?...you needent answer i'll probably be ill..Dave.

Dave, you win the booby prize with this quote. I read this and cracked up.

Xup - welcome aboard. This is not your typical thread line that matches the title exactly. In fact, I'm not sure exactly who started it or when. I would have to way back. But, we do have an international flare with Lord Lucan, and even go to where the sun never sets or shines, depending on what time of the year it is in Alaska. Me, I'm just here in A-l-a-b-a-m-a. We have a good bit of fun on this thread and help each other out with many side journeys in the process of sticking with the UCD sooner or later. So bring it on and have fun. No questions are out of bounds and no one is going to tell to to stick with a specific topic all the time. The regulars are here to just help each other out as we go. So dive in and have fun in the process.

Joe, I may just have to upgrade to one of those, but will see. It sounds like Frankenstein is taking on a whole new life all the way around. Did massive reconstructive surgery on the fuse with a little lipo on the tail and now a nose job. I bet you like this bird better than you would a new one.

Happy Father's Day to all.............

Roger, I'm more intimate with this model than with my wife!!!!! Joe

TY guys, for the warm Welcome to the "UCD subculture"


OK, I think a New plane, deserves a NEW engine,

Hmmm.......... What engine is the Question,

Think we need a Poll on here to find what everyone is Using.

Tell me what to get guys (this should be fun[sm=spinnyeyes.gif] )


LL
£00.00, fill in for price, max you can fill in there, don,t be sad lol.


This, somehow managed to sneak into the back of my motor at Weston Park,[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/20581/Vt58077.jpg]Happy[/link]

Summer, and the good times, [8D]


Xup

Ha...

One hundred golden beer Tokens.....good going Xup...had to pay a bit more for Mr Claus to deliver mine...worth every penny.. or Cent..

Engine's [:-]...pretty emotive topic sometimes...at the end of the day its whatever YOU are most happy with ..Have a word with Roger, Joe, Matt, JW, Stoney... and all the other good guys who pop up here regularly, they have probably forgotten more than i know...its all good fun

Oooohhh, Formula 3D, impressive. Is that like the Magic? As far as engines go, I've had two seasons with a very reliable Saito 100. Lighter than the OS 91 but with a little more oomp. In the process of converting to a new YS110 and I'm going to enter the UCD in a tractor pull. I think between all of us there is a varied sampling. The reports will start to roll in between the night owls and surfers on the time clock tomorrow. Joe

No time clock surfing for this kid. I'm semi retired and enjoying life right now. Just in case you thought the boss was paying for my RCU time.

I'm paying for mine. Still at work with a couple more hours to go. The curse of the self employed. Joe

Formula, more like a longer version of the Hype, i think.

Quit fancy the 110ys, but fueling it in the UK expensive 20/20 fuel cost is like $40 US a gallon here,
Saito 100 and a light build might work out ok, but I have just bought a Saito 91 for the Sub 5 1/2lb Formula,
be nice to try something different,

How close do they get to the Advertised 7.5 lb all up weight ?


Hmmm............. wonder if I could get this to fit , lol


LL

Your UCD, nice job m8, you flown it with the OS 90 run-in and leaned out yet ?
nice pic's,

Xup

Xup, right now I'm adding another 5 oz. to this already 8 lb+ plane. I built a few before and they were all pretty close to spec. The only way it would be a 7.5 pounder is with the use of all the cheap hwde. supplied. The concensus shows all 4/40 rods, ball links, HD control horns and 5 cell-6 volt battery, it helps with the balance. I chose a pull/pull on the rudder. It adds up. Joe

XUP.....O.S..91FSIIP...only on its 3 rd Tankfull of 15% " Supa glow ".. V .Rich still ...unlike me ...the YT cyclone was only a couple of ounces over its specified weight WITH an O.S. 1.20FSIIIP AND the 502 tuned pipe system..Willson & co @ YT seem very realistic with thier weight figures.....Willson showed me the Formula at YT HQ when i fetched the Cyclone .....Impressive stuff..very ...that 502 O.S pipe is very pretty..superlative engineering ...

If yo get a Pumped motor you can enter the " Best place for the centre of gravity competition"... with your tank on the C of G...Joe and co have done loadsa work on this subject though..

Xup,
Actually the engine question turns out to be a matter of personal preference and choice. I'm with Cumn thru on the Saito 100. Reliable power, great customer service and a standard three year warranty. On the UCD however due to the fuel tank location you may or may not need to purchase additionally a fuel regulator such as a Cline or Iron Bay. This problem can be eliminated by using a pumped engine. LL uses a pumped OS 91 4 stroke I believe and Autoguns uses a YS 110FZ that he raves about.

Joe is actually the most experienced modifier of these aircraft. I imagine that after he gets done installing the YS 110FZ, he will have to get a permit from NASA. Like I said it boils down to personal preference and what one can afford. If I could afford a YS that is probably what I would buy. They have a reputation for having to be "Tinkered" with, but that would not be a problem for me. OS makes a reliable product noted for running well right out of the box. My two stoke engines are all OS, I have a 46FX and two 61FX's. Both have run flawlessly after routine carb adjustments. This is my second Saito as my FA120S runs flawlessly. As you are in the UK, LL can guide you on where he got his deals. I'm sure more opinions will be posted. Good Luck and Welcome Aboard.

It's gone[]...........I got to the field yesterday to fly and here my four year old daughter had moved the keys to my trailer. So I call my wife and have her bring me the keys. Unlock the trailer and start unloading and getting ready to fly, my wife goes to the store to get something for us to drink. I fuel up, go to taxi and the engine stalls. Back to the pits, restart engine, stalls again on taxi. I should have known to just pack up and go home at this point. But you know what they say, third times a charm. So i readjust the engine running great, taxi out, take off with a nice climb rate going and the plane starts banking to the left. I give it a little bit of right and no response, a lot more right and no response. Now it's behind a tree, so I run down from the flight line and no plane to be found anywhere in the sky. So as I'm trying to ask where it went down, my wife calls me and says she found my plane. As she was sitting at a 4 way stop sign just close to the field she tells my daughter, look there's Daddies plane, then AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH[X(] it crashes about 10 feet in front of the car that shes driving. The plane is totaled. I'm not sure about the engine or electronics yet.

Get second plane out of the trailer. Go to do a range check and can't even get 50 feet away without a very bad case of the jitters on all surfaces[:@]. I talked to several people at the field and the best thing we can think of is to send the new Futaba 9C back for servicing. One lost plane is too many because of a transmitter problem. I had used the radio 2 times before this had happened, I guess that I just got lucky those times.

The moral of all this. Don't forget the simple things like a range check before flying. I see guys at the field flying 40% airplanes and not doing range checks. Not me anymore, I can't afford to replace too many planes because I did not take a 100 foot walk before the flight.

Ouch!!!! My condolances. I lost two in a row to intermittant RX problems, yet on the bench, no glitches to be found. Third was with all new gear, only to have the crystal pop out in flight. I always range check and got into a good habit of checking control responses before every flight. That way if I do any changes at the field, chances are I will catch any goof ups. Now what are the chances of a family member, in a remote location, witnessing the crash? Has to be a million to one. Good luck with the salvage efforts. Joe

Alan, Arrgh that hurts. \Sorry man! I know what a bad day at the field feels like from my experiences last weekend. The last thing you probably want to hear right now is to always range check, but buddy, I promise that I always do one. However even a range check won't detect all problems that vibration can cause while on the ground, or in flight. With my Pitts I do a range check with the motor running. I also have a mule plane that I use to test gear that I am suspicious of. It first goes in the mule before it goes in one of my nice airplanes. If it passes the test in flight , then it's welcome aboard and not before. This wouldn't have helped you considering the type of malfunction, but just another example of being extra cautious when it comes to potential failure. No short-cuts or they will get ch sooner or later.

Joe, I know how you can cut down on some weight there pal. The hardware you are using on that skinny little rudder is just massive. The wood in the rudder, hinges or both would give way long before that hardware would. I know you are upgrading to the YS, but even then it still seem like wasted poundage my friend.

Have to admit I did the same thing on my Pitts with the gasser, and then realized it afterward. Just wasn't necessary at all, but it looks good.

Also, if you are self employed you are the boss and can do as you please. Congratulation on living the dream my friend. I'm going to get back to work here one day when I get bored. This is the first time I have taken any time from my career in 28 years. It's been nice so far, but can tell that I will need to have something to keep the juices going until I am really ready to go into full time retirement. Not there just yet, but getting a taste and have to admit that I like it.

Roger, it is substantial, but with this notoriously nose heavy plane it was better than lead or the battery swinging from the rudder. One good side to all the late hours and no weekends, when the weather gods smile, its out the door and skyward. Joe

Ah! very good point and I agree, especially when you consider the weight of the new engine. I wold also leave as is. BTW, I painted my canopy for the Soiucy and it worked out perfectly. Thanks for the suggestions. Now this really does look hot!

Yeah, it sure is nice to get out there when the crowds aren't there to enjoy flying with one or two other pilots. Sometimes I can have the sky to myself.and what a treat that is. This is really something I missed when I was in the grinder all the time.

Hondalan..

...Commiserations ..[]...this sounds like something that should have happened to me on the day of the UCD maiden .... could have been worse.. much worse.
I spent nearly two whole summers just bringing bags of bits home when i was in my Teens..O.K we always repaired em....but it got to the stage where a simple 48" W/Span trainer weighed nearly 400 lbs

Roger ..dont mention retirement...she's started work on the " Retired now ....Jobs to do " list.. 20 yrs to go yet

Lord, there are two guys at our field that, as regular practice, stuff a plastic garbage bag in the fuse for reclaiming the parts. Joe

Got another question you guys. I'm debating using a fuel valve again on my 160 for the Soucy, or just using a fuel dot? here is the question. Do you guys use the third hole as your refill line to the he tank or use a T off the fuel draw line to the carb? If off the fuel draw line to the carb how do you avoid flooding the carb without pinching off the line to the carb? I think the answer is to simply use the third hole, which is not tapped and simple to do. I honestly have only used fuel valves in the past and would think you put a clunk the third line for refueling. yes? No? trying to keep the weight down so thinking of using a fuel dot.

Roger

...good questions ..Joe ...where are you [:-]...think he might be the best guy to ask here ( ...i nearly said.....best source of information...source= soucy....gedit...No..?...O.K. ...no more crappy jokes..sorry.)

Only thing i thought straight off about the fueling valve is ...it wouldnt restrict flow of fuel anywhere ...is the 1.60FX a bit prone to fuel flow restrictions...

I've been pondering. Before getting into the "pressurized mess' I've always used the quick fuelers. Now, with regulator and check valve, fuel never goes forward when filling. The third hole, with a tee and dot would clearly be the next option, but if fuel were to go forward it would go through the clunk to the carb before it would go to the muff. Last, if there were an access area to the feed side, split the line there and fuel as normal, but that would put you back to the beginning, quick fueler. Joe

Ah, Dave, sorry about mixing topics on this thread. I have just come to know and respect you guys for your opinions. Fuel dots, or fuel valves are all the same with the only difference being the airplane. This applies to the UCD as well. Like you, Joe, I have always used fuel valves, but after having one fail on my gasser I decided to listen to those who have had problems with them unless I have to use like with the UCD. I decided to run a third line in the tank by tapping the third hole in the stopper on a Dubro tank. I simply tapped the hole, ran another line with another clunk in the tank and installed the fuel dot. Now I will have no problems with flooding for sure and probably saved a few teaks of poundage. [8D]

I'm still not into punps anor fuel regulators so far.