I trimmed the wing down a little yesterday. I took the last 3-4 inches of the end of the wing to see how it would fly/ well actullay taking the tapered part off was faster than repairing the damage I did to them when loading them in the truck the other day. But anyway, I had heard that some guys had done this before and that it seemed to knife edge better. Well, it does!! In fact it does alot of things better.I was able to harrier the first time without fighting the wings rocking all over the place. Landings are still slow motion...no bad tendancies to note. Has anybody else done this?

David,

If you are getting a DA 50, check out the WildHare ARF's. I don't have a link but they sponsor a thread on RC Universe. Their Edge 540T will be my next project after the UCD. I think Joe would like to get his hands on one also. I have personally seen these aircraft and the quality is outstanding very strongly built and designed for a 50cc class of engines or a Zenoah G-62. A friend just completed the Giles 202 and it is quite an eye turner. At $399.00 US they are a buy. I have also spoken with the owner Tom Fawcett. He is very accomodating. E-mail address is [email protected]. Go For It!!!!! Brian......

Hondalan..
Hmmm...loked at this fellow[8D] ..CAN get them here ...@ this mornings rate it would cost me the equivelent of ...wait for it...$638..and a few c ...double Hmmmm...[:-]

Stoney ..Joe...
Yeah.. thought i herd Joe mention this wild hare thingy...will go round this in detail later..anything ...well...different.. out there.?.. Extra, Edge, Giles..all start to look a bit simular..
Joe...woke up on a different planet...Rainy..cold.. windy...photo just to cheer you up... she has me housebound all day.. " Can you just.... " "...Then when youve done that.." ....this is not good.

P.S ...Adopted J. Dubya's 'AKA' he gave me... I am found..

David, you continue to impress me. Audi, very discriminating. Wifey and I have stabled Audi/VW products fo almost 20 years. Bringing home my first 5000 turbo in 85' I immediately proceeded to run it up to 150 mph just ever so shy of the 160 mph top end. Puts a smile on you face. Ditto on the WildHare. They do two extra's and an edge. Check out Crayzc's build and flight report in this forum as well. He is experienced with large scale, of various models and I think he could evaluate the plane without all the hype that comes with first time buyers. $399.00 and the rave reviews continue to roll in. The DA 50 is perfect for this application. You won't find any bad reviews on Desert Aircraft. Wasn't sure if you would appreciate my humor, so I deleted it.

Brett_ty, finally someone with a modification that is willing to share their results. I've read of it, but with no follow up posts. Anything to add?

J Dubya, as always cooler heads prevail. I now recognize that I am a !QUOT!post aholic!QUOT! and must admit myself into !QUOT!forums anonymous!QUOT! immediately. Joe

Guys this thread had the topic ucando60, so whats going on? talking about hi-jacking. Thinks I'll just go ahead and bow out of this thread.

Blackie

Blackie, diversity is the spice of life, but you are correct. Sometimes we get way off topic.
David, forgot your address of the cowl weight. The reason I mentioned it, is that in the first batch of UCD's, late 2002, everything was quite substantial. In later models, while making some structural improvements to the plane, the quality of the cowl and canopy went down hill. They became lighter and flimsy. On the third canopy you could barely make out the trim line. Also on the third, I had to glass the interior of the cowl due to how thin it was. On this one I ordered a cowl seperatly, and was suprised to see that it matched or exceeded even that of the first batch. Thats why I weighed it. Joe

Joe,
I continue to be impressed with David. He has the day off today, bank holiday I guess. With all that money, I'm just trying to figure out if he owns the bank or just or robs it!!. Still haven't heard from Matt yet, maybe he is backsliding into clubbing again!! Brian....

This is going to be a bit rough so no pun attended.

I just feel sorry for those searching for specific items having to wade through a bunch of C...., to get there.

I'm out of this one.

Blackie

Blackie, that is indeed a fact and a point well taken. I think it is equally challenging to find any forum which is not polluted with small talk and off topic subjects. It comes with familiarity and some of the bonds made when a certian post is frequented by a regular following. I will try to keep my chatter to PMs, at the same time doing my research with the search feature which highlights keywords of certian interests and allows the censur of none pertinant information. Apologies, Joe

Stoney I have sent you a PM, very busy weekend.

My ucando is still waiting for my fixes on the firewall and decent weather. talking to a fellow club member at my LHS he was excited that I almst had mine ready to fly, in his words " thats a fun looking airplane" I hope so!

My only goals with this thing are spins, blenders and learn to hover. C'mon momma nature, give me some weather to fly in!!

Sorry Randy..
Probabally my fault more than anyones, we...( I..! ) do drift a bit when its quiet...but it keeps the thread trundling along....We're allways open for buisiness..hit us with any questions ...give us any tips...what was that quote....

" I dont have the solution...but i do admire the problem. "

Ashleigh Brilliant.

Dave.

Stony.......& Joe
Nonsense.....utter nonsense Gona fund this last project with another "Hangar clearance".... buying stuf from you chaps, has been, over the winter and still is ..at the minute..a sound investment..(Wish i could get UCD's at the price you guys can..!) then when the the new flying season comes..like now... sell couple of models off...she's a happy bunny... she dont have to take the Extra 300 out of the bath to get in.. two models out ...one nicer one in...all within my monthly budget...sort of....quote :-

" They may have invented artificial inteligence....but not artificial cunning "

Garfield the Cat. ( Jim Davis )

Anyway, typing with stinging wrists.. i'm gona order a spare UCD cowl from Tower tonite and see if its any different ...i'm sure it will come in .. a selection of props as well...now then this has bugged me for a while..whats the difference between a ...lets say...15x6 prop and a 15x6-10 cant find anyone ( localy ) on the island that knows this... catch ya later

Wolfie, The 15/6-10. I believe starts with a 6 pitch towards the center and as it winds out towards the tips it transitions into a 10 pitch. I forget the name of it. But that is what it is. 6 pitch to 10 pitch in its half length. Joe

Yo yo yo, U Can Do in the house! Just got back from our first club night of the season. 70 menbers and only three of us showed. The wind was almost co-operative, a little gusty for this kite. Gray skies and chilly, but I was loving it. Second time out with ol' #4 since the maiden last week. This time with the cowl on and the nose high attitude is gone. Inverted just a wisper of down elv. required. Another bump back on the CG will take care of that. Got the 15/4 today, but not enough time to balance. Got a good taste of the 16/4 tonight and its a bit much for this engine. Not getting the Rs, still 8700 static, and spoolup is a little slow. I'll get the 15/4 done for tomorrow. Its good to get back with this bird. With two sucsesful shake down sessions its time to get back at it. Next few sessions I'll be bringing my throws back up to 3D level a little at a time. BTW, the cline regulator, what can I say. Good investment. Now if we can just appease the weather gods. Joe

Joe..
Yea...Thanks......but Why..?.whats the benifits.?...must be more tricky to manufacture ....if i remember, the guy that did a review (RCU) on the UCD..was it Mark Vigod or something like that... had a photo of his UCD with a 15x6-10 Topflight power point wood prop fitted....would something like this be of particular benifit to the UCD or 3D generally ...just curious.. ....Dave

Ah..you put up a second post while i was typing ..good stuff..nice ! ....what the benifits/ drawbacks of these real low pitch props...

Joe Yeah Buddy!!

Glad to hear you are happy with the performance so far. I will wait this time until you test the 15X4 before I buy one. Got a feeling though that that will be the number. I must have missed something. Did we or me, do something to tick "Blackie" off?? [:'(]I must be slow, or something cause I'm not catching on to his point. If someone asks me a question I will answer it. Does it always have to be on the subject matter?? While we are not on the UCD subject, it rained again today as the cold front you guys up north had just got here. Weatherman says last one of the season so enjoy the lower humidity for a couple of days. That means I have to finish my yard work and tree trimming[&o].

Have you got a link to Cline?? Just in case the Iron Bay doesn't work out, I'll know where to go. I did a search but nothing came up. Brian...

Jim Cline and Associates http://www.billsroom.com/pcfs/produc...uelsysdesc.htm Looks like Jim has given his website a little facelift

Lord, I will research this further. Right now the only way I can see it is that at high RPMs, as in take off, the blade will flatten out to around a consistant 6 pitch across the prop, providing more torque. Once in flight and the throttle is lowered the blade will go back to the 10 pitch, as if shifting to a higher gear. But that does not seem to be consistant with the engineering of this model as all the maneuvers this plane is intended for are performed by flying off the wash of the prop and the supplied torque of a lesser pitched prop. Again it is only my guess and I will persue this quandry for you my friend. I will leave no stone unturned. To the ends of the earth!!!! I wonder if I could stop by J Dubya's on the way? Joe

Here is some UCD info for those that are intrested in talking about it. I did the mod Sat. flew it all day sunday. My post flight assesment is that the wing loading is too light in the origanal configeration out of the box. taking the tapered edge off to the first rib so that it is flat and flush produces a plane that can knife edge much better, harrier with much less violent wing rocking, knife edge spin much faster/tighter, and might even be able to call what it once did a "snap roll" a snap roll...but not as good as an edge for sure. I was getting to the point where i was getting bored with this plane and frustrated with its lack of UCD 3-D, but its a much better flier now....might fly it for a couple of more monthes before stipping it out!

Brett, can you post a pic of your wing tip mod ? Thx

Hi Brett..
Great stuff.. thanks for the info.......not flown My UCD ...am really loking forward to it...but you say it has a" frustrating " lack of UCD 3D...but with your mods it is.. much, much, much better...all born out of repairs necessiatated after mangling it in the truck...there's a spot of luck.....o.k howd ya go about it...pic's ?.. i take it ya just sort of flatten the tips off yeah.... give us th whole nine yards brett ...cheers..Dave

I dont have a digital cam, but the mod is pretty easy, just peel the coating back from the tips of the wing till you reach the first rib, then take an exacto knife and seperate the hot glue joints for the last 3 inch piece (tapered end) and slap some new covering over the flat edge (which is now flush) after sanding it down. took me about 30 minutes to do both ends and recover. Wish I would have done it out of the box.

In addition...for those that are concerned about loosing their "helicopter" style landing ability with this kite after chopping four inches from the wing...don't worry...my two year old son can out run this thing landing.

I bought a 16x4w a few weeks back and now I wish I would've picked up a 15x4w instead. I haven't used it yet, but from what I'm hearing the 16x4w is going to be a little doggish on my Saito 100. Please post reports of RPM numbers on the 15x4w.

I've been running 15x6 APC and 15x6 Zinger pro props and I like them. Just thought it would be cool to try a wide prop.

I have been running the 15x6 APC and getting around 9500 on my Saito 100. That is definately the prop for that plane/engine...