Hey 191557,

What engine are you putting in your Corsair? I have a Hanger 9 Corsair that I bought a .91 OS FS for.........hoping it will be enough power.

Jack..............where did you fly tonight? I'm batching it for the day......all the kids went to the camp for the next few days............just me............some hot pizza and cold brews!

The ceiling from hell was as expected..........I told her I'm not putting my name on that job unless she wants it done right!

Peace,

Downtrodden

That's a nice collection of planes 191557. I especially like the colorful ceiling fan. I know what you mean about putting your name on a job Down T. When someone brings me a welding job, I tell them it will be done the way I say or they can go pay to have it done at the welding shop. What they think doesn't count for anything.
Dang 191557, you're almost a Jay Hawker.

I run a magnum 70 on mine. I use a 14x4w apc and I can hover at about 5/8 thottle on 15% fuel. If I was to do it over again I would probably get a 50 sized 2 stroke. They are lighter and run a little stronger.

Hello
The corsair has the Evo.61 in it and flys very well (not a speed bomb but flys it OK). The ceiling fan is leftovers from my sons room (cool isn't it). I am 3 miles from the Jay Hawker line (Real Close).


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If you remember the 70s you weren't there

Sweeeeeet Planes 191,, I think you should take that ceiling fan and mount it on the Twist.

Maybe it was mentioned maybe it wasn't but for the wing stalling problem I have to say thats a first for me hearing it too, Did any one ask you if the stabilizer was centered to the wing? The old from Wing tip back to Stab tip check, just to make sure all that is true as well.... I know I know, simple thing, but I had to ask.....

Gosh I posted a shot this morning, and there were 33 hits by tonight, It must be raining everywhere but here right now No flying though we spent the day in the Catskills got in 27 holes on the mountain course it was awesome.

Down, Good luck,,, I HATE ROCKIN walls ceilings anything, but unfortunately you do what you have to do, I'm not great at it, but I'm good enough I Guess, to have to do the dang job, hold to your guns, I tell people as well, I'm going to do it my way, or your going to be hiring someone else to do it. If its going to be done, its going to be done right, cause I'm not coming back...

Jack I know your really rackin that mind of yours on the possible PNP problem, So I'm sure your going to own a few as well now, Just don't hurt yourself, we like having you around.

all you guys are right on the money,,, so listen to these folks who know, and practice all the time, I will be practicing at many points tomorrow Friday sat & sun I hope, thats How I wish to wrap up the vacation,,, flying like Jack and Down, Daily,,,

191557, I don't like you very much. Your shop is waaaaay too organized--with great birds.

See me green,

J

Waldo, "27 holes in the Catskills"? I do hope you have a second job as a pimp, because if you're speaking of those other "holes," as in golf, I... just have no words.

No, wait, that's not like me--to have no words. As a teenager I caddied at the Fox Valley Golf Club near Aurora, IL. I saw some very nice professional-looking men wrap some very expensive golfing equipment around various trees or throw it in waterery graves. It ain't like landing a Twist in an inverted spin, I'll tell ya. At that moment I gave up the idea of golf as "fun" or "a hobby." Golf is, said Twain, a nice walk ruined.

But hear this: a very athletic young nun, a golfer, had a Mother Superior (MS) of like mind, but worse body. On Monday, golf day, Mother Superior couldn't go, but told the young nun to go ahead. The young nun came back saying, "Mother Superior, I have a confession to make."

"Yes, my dear?"

"Well," says the nun, "I used some very bad language today. See, I hit a ball off the seventh tee that I KNEW would go 280 yards, but I hit that single phone wire across the course about 100 yards out? The ball came straight down."

"That would make me swear, dear. Did you then?"

"No, MS, because a squirrel came out of the woods, grabbed my ball in its mouth and headed toward the bushes on the left."

"Huh, that would make ME swear."

"No, MS, you see, just as the squirrel neared the bushes a strange thing happened. This guy, an idiot, had been flying a radio controlled plane, yellow, pink and purple, at the fish pond, where the kids play while daddies golf. This guy was trying to, get this, catch fish with a hook attached to the plane. As the squirrel ran to the bushes, this yellow plane, engine growling, swooped down and HOOKED the poor squirrel, squirming, still with my ball in his mouth!"

"Oh, my Gawd! Twistoholics, they call them. DownT's the worst of them. I'd swear at him, at all of them. Did you?"

"No, MS, because the yellow and purple plane headed for the green! Maybe Jack was flying."

"No!"

"Yes! But, you know that sand trap on the seventh on the left, the one with the big boulder in it?"

"Sure, I needed Gawd's help there more than once."

"Well, when the plane got over that sand trap, the squirrel dropped the ball, which hit the boulder."

"Did that make you swear, dear?"

"No, because the ball hit the boulder, bounced onto the green and ended up just 18 inches from the pin."

At that time the nun stopped talking, though her lips jerked nervously, opening and closing, without sound, and she couldn't look at Mother Superior.

"Well?" Mother Superior demanded.

The nun glanced up once to Mother Superior's eyes, then looked away, saying nothing.

"Ohmigawd," said Mother Superior, "you missed the f***ing putt, didn't you?"

Jack, put the cap back on the glue bottle......quick!

"Whew! That was a close one!" *wondering if any brain cells survived*

Peace

Downtrodden.

You guys are awesome... I kicked the ailerons up like was suggested, and no more tip stalling. I also tried a couple different approaches into a hover and I think my problem was lack of throttle. I was expecting to hover around 1/2 throttle but it looks more like it's 3/4 or so. But yeah, after making sure the ailerons were equal with my angle pro, i did not have to TOUCH the aileron trim. I actually had to trim the nose down just a little bit, but that just put the elevator dead center with the stab. I also kicked up the rates on my tail a bit and was able to keep it in a hover about like I expected myself to do for my first attempt. Probably about 3-5 seconds. But it's a start.
Edit: Should mention that I was flying in 20-25mph winds. I was able to land my ultra stick in the grass with about 3 feet of roll afterwards. WAY too windy for the twist but I really wanted to see if the tips worked. I'll try and post again sunday if we get better wind conditions...
Again thanks for all the help guys!!!!
I think I'll keep this bird for a while
-Eric
As a side note, Jack... it's not a good idea to breathe that smoke that comes off the balsa after you put CA on it

Another thing about the Twist you will learn.... it loves the wind too. If your Ultra Stick was doing 3 foot rolls on landing, then expect the Twist to land at a dead stop (or maybe in reverse).

Way too windy? Jack and I have both flown in winds exceeding 30mph and the plane handled it with ease! Try it, you'll like it!

Peace

Downtrodden

I killed my first Twist in the wind. My engine quit at about 300 feet and out about â…› mile. Like a fool, instead of landing out in the field, I tried to make it back to the runway. When I banked too much on the turn from base to final, a nice box kite presented itself to the 30 mph quartering headwind. Quick as a flash, my sparkly new Twist was thrown sideways into a tree, then the pieces to earth.

The wind is your friend with a Twist, with any bird, actually. Everything slows down but take-offs and down wind legs. Just watch fuel consumption.

I saw Down put his Twist on the snow, running out on his skis just six inches. I couldn't believe it at the time. Since then I've done the same.

The Twist cares NOTHING about the wind, just about what speed the wind is going over the control surfaces. So beware of downwind turns while low to the ground at low throttle.

Brings up a good point: when you go to a new field, you look for all the trouble areas--where you don't want to screw up, trees, wires, rough land, under power or not; when the wind is high you IMMEDIATELY reckon what you'll do with a flame-out, just in case. If you don't let anything surprise you, you're safe. Think, think, then think again. And plan ahead. Fly upwind high and downwind higher, over 20 mph gusts. Then you'll always be able to get back to the field--and learn how to lose altitude fast. Dive, put the wing on an edge, do a loop, dead stick. If you know your Twist, everything becomes easy. And getting back to the field is the same. [Flying gliders really helps in this regard. You're always dead stick.]

How many of us have killed the engine on purpose, just to practice a dead stick landing? I have. Confidence helps. And, truly, a dead stick landing can be easy. It's the panic that gets us into trouble. Don't do that. I don't know why folks panic with a dead stick landing. You're gonna come down. How and where are the only questions. What's the problem? Get her into the wind and bring 'er home--or learn downwind landings, cross-wind landings... practice, practice, practice.

There is nothing that defines the pilot,-plane-wind relationship than when things go wrong, from flame-outs to putting your bird up with reversed ailerons. By golly, I'm drunk enough to consider putting the old, OLD Katana up with reversed ailerons--just for the challenge. I'll do that in low winds. :-)

But I can think of nothing more delightful than hovering across the sky, at 30 mph, sideways, in the wind. And when, down wind, going like a bat, you pull up, turn her into the wind and she STOPS dead, it's also a pleasure to watch, a special, graceful turn.

Ah. the wind, the pilot, and the Twist--that's what RC is all about.

Well, I have no problem landing. I actually pretty much had no rollout on the concrete with the landing, but that's normal for this plane anyway
I'm just amazed how easy it was to have it point STRAIGHT UP and still have a groundspeed of like 25mph... Makes it hover kinda twitchy.
And I live in kansas. The wind is GUSTY LIKE MAD. That makes it kinda hard.
-Eric

Hey guys,

Although I went through many, many postings, I really could use you guys's input

I bought the Twist 2 days ago and am ready to build it.
For now, I am going to put the servo's I have (Futaba's 3004) in it, but I bought a brand new Supertigre .50 for this puppy.
I epoxied the engine- and tank compartiment and am ready to start the bilding part.
I have some Great Planes pinned hinges. What should I do?? Use the pinned ones or go with the supplied CA hinges??
I have a Sullivan tailwheel setup for her, is there anything else you guys think I should change or do when building her??
Some do's or don't's??

See...I've read so many postings, but now I am finally ready to build one myself, I draw a complete blank of all the things you guys have talked about, so please help this proud TWIST-owner out here.

Thanks so much in advance you guys...

dutchalltheway, I think it would be a good idea to do a dry run installing the elevator halves. The "U" shaped joiner can be tweeked a bit if the two halves are not on the same plane. Also expect to do a little filing to get the Futaba servos to fit. The Twist was designed to use JR servos which are a little smaller. I would install the engine last. You can slide the engine back and forth on the beams to balance it. That Super Tigre should be fantastic in the Twist. On my first twist, I shoved a little too hard when CAing the elevator hinges with a pin through the middle. The pin sank into the edge of the elevator and restricted the travel. I was able to loosen it up some by working the elevator, but it was still too stiff. If it was me, I'd go with the pinned hinges, but the CA's work good if you maintain the gap.

Down you have to take that Glue away from Jack,,,, Leave the tequilla though.
Most of my day went like your golf story Jack...thanks for the reminder...

THE TWIST LOVES 40+++ mph WINDS

I'm using the s3004 servos as well, and yes you will have to trim out the servo holding holes for sure, no problem though, I even glued a couple of little balsa ply strips in where the screws will be going through to hold the servos, don't know if it was needed or not, but I didn't take the chance. I'm sure it will be fine, just the way it is. I like the Ca hinges,, Now this is just me,, On the pinned hinges I always end up getting glue in the dang thing[:@] but they work great when successfull.

Some places I fly the wind is not that big of a deal, but other places I fly the wind is rolling off the trees and can make things difficult when it changes directions all of the time. One trip out I was flying along and it would hit a pocket of air which would cause it to suddenly drop 10 feet, stuff like that makes landing interesting.

Today the wind was calm so I did some hovers and other cool stuff. During my last flight a bald eagle came out to see what was going on. I was quite supprised how close to the twist he was willing to fly. Eventually he lost interest and flew off.

I am getting pretty decent with my twist so I think I'll be ready for my yak when it's done. I hope to finish it soon, but I still need servos and the 130oz digital kind are not cheap.

Ak, if the Yak-54, the big one, flies anything like the one they have on RealFlight G3, the Twist is NOT a good prep plane. The Yak flies more like a bipe, needing lots of airspeed, seeems to stall easily, on G3, anyway. I always get it way up. It doesn't float.

Dutch, if this is your first Twist, use the CA hinges. The bird won't prolly last long enough to warrant GP pinned hinges--and putting them on IS an art form--that's why Waldo has trouble with them. He's an artist IN THE AIR, but not on the ground, no patience. Me, neither, but I've replaced too many CA hinges not to develop some patience installing GPs. I don't wish to sound pessimistic, and I sure as heck don't know what your flying talents are, but the CA hinges are easy and WILL endure a very long time--but not four flights a day, four times a week, for 6 months. If you are a weekend flyer, they'll last a year or more--if you don't crash doing something stupid as I did.

If you DO try GP pinned hinges, the ones that look like two broad arrowheads, attached to one another at the base, try this: first enlarge every hinge slot on the plane. [I bought one of those nice slotting machines. Works great, fast, and since I've gone exclusively to GP hinges on all my planes, it pays time dividends.] GPs are thicker and WILL bulge the balsa if you don't.

Trial fit them all and MARK where they go! Then use some medium or thick CA and let it percolate into one of the slots, hit both sides of the hinge with a drop of thick CA, and quickly insert it into the slot. You have about one full second, no more, to seat it correctly. When it's seated, grab some light oil and put it on the hinge, working the hinge to let it percolate onto the wire. Keep moving the hinge for a couple seconds. Do the next hinge, then move them both, then the next, etc.--and keep moving them until you're sure they're not gummed up. (When you're done with the plane, the surfaces will feel stiffer than with CA hinges, but they will work in--and the S3004 servo will do the job--with 4.8 or 6 v. rx bats).

When the whole surface, lets say wing, has four hinges sticking out of it, solid, wipe all the oil off with rubbing or de-natured alcohol. You don't want any oil on the plastic when you put on the 30 min epoxy. Trial fit the aileron again, making sure the aileron matches up with the outboard end of the wing. Then prep some 30 minute epoxy. When it's ready, dollop some in each of the four receiving slots and let it percolate into the hole, THEN find a thin, broad tool (I have some special corrugated plastic I use for the job) and push the expoxy into the hole, then slop a thin layer, filling the holes of the receiving wing hinge on BOTH sides of the hinge. With an alcohol-wet rag or swab wipe all the excess expoxy OFF the aileron, then quickly insert the aileron on the wing and push at each hinge to seat them--making sure the aileron lines up with the wing tip.

Note: once the aileron is seated it's almost impossible to slide it inboard or outboard--at all, so don't PUSH on those hinges until you are SURE you are lined up with the wing tip, which is the hinge you start with.

Then spray each hinge with alcohol and wipe everything off, both sides, and get down to the hinge and adjacent areas. Put thin oil, AGAIN, on each hinge, one side, and work the aileron until you know the oil gets into it. Push the hinges tight again--and make sure you have full deflection of the aileron. As you work on the other wing half, GO BACK to the first one and work it some more, checking it out. On second and third "pushing" of the aileron, you may have to alcohol-wipe the whole thing again if the expoxy oozes out.

DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE AILERON/WING SLOT. It makes darn little difference, if any, in flight characteristics on a Twist, though PATTERN pilots swear it does. It's MORE important to get the deflection you want. Keep moving the aileron for a while and check that the aileron is as close as it can be (we want it to look good, and the closer the better, granted) to the wing while still having the deflection you want.

Down (who is really good at replacing old CA hinges with NEW CA hinges) will tell you I have had to redo several score of CA hinges on my favorite planes--the Twists and Katana, mostly. They just wear out! And before I went to GP hinges I tried installing CA hinges using crayon on the center of the hinge (so they wouldn't absorb CA where the problem is, that small area between the wing, stab, or fin and the moving surface.

When I first started with GP hinges, I had trouble with them gumming up, and I tried to get that wing/aileron slot as small as possible by inletting the hinge in the slot (not good) but the above installation system has worked now through several birds--and I have had NO hinge failures since (a year and a half).

The trick is all in the oil--and you have to use it, carefully, as if you were in an operating theater. Wipe your hands all the time with alcohol. Oil is DISASTER, a contaminant, with epoxy, so you have to keep the plastic of the hinges CLEAR of any oil. Meanwhile, the epoxy or CA will surely ruin the hinge if it gets between the metal and the plastic.

Every one of my birds, including my Big Stik, the oldest plane I own, has had a CA hinge failure--except the first three Twists and the Extreme 540, none of which lasted four months. Ugh.

No question, CA hinges are easy, fast, keep the aileron/wing slot thin, and are very pliable, but if you fly more than average, they will fail you, one way or another, before you put the bird to rest, in one way or another. Oh, and if you live near or where Waldo does, use CA hinges, forget GPs. He doesn't get enough flying time (weather) to hurt or wear out... anything, even himself.

J

P.S. And, none of youse, don't touch my glue, or my sniffing it--or I'll stab your break... no, I mean break your stab... no, wait.... Well, something like that you no what I meen.

Jack's treatise on installing pinned hinges failed to mention that a greater gap will exist between the control surface and it's stabilizer or wing, but for the type of flying we do, it doesn't matter......in fact I'm starting to prefer that 3/32" gap, as it allows 90 degree throws either way. I never fly WOT (outside of vertical) so flutter has never been a problem.

I've been flying this T _ _ _ T hard, for nine months and I've had to replace the rudder CA hinges once and I check the hinges before and after every flying session. (This after landing once with only the top hinge still attached to the rudder.)

Dutch.......whatever you do, please balance that plane by moving things around, not by adding weight! I've flown many a T _ _ _ T with the S.T. .51 and I was content (at the time) to do so, but after taking the OS .61 that was lying around the shop and installing it........I could never, ever think of going back. My experience with the S.T.'s are that they are a touchy lot.......if you find yourself adjusting the needle often, look to a possible muffler/baffle restriction that may be over pressurizing the tank. Run them rich and be careful of overheating if using a 12.25x3.75 or larger, especially if the air temp is above 70 degrees. Also do yourself a favor and use the longest possible servo arm you have for the throttle. I use an inch and a quarter arm with fantastic results. Exponetial is putting hobbles on, do yourself a favor and enjoy the direct connectedness that comes from 1 to 1.

Peace,

Downtrodden

So, would more horsepower help me hover? I could put off my Futaba 9C if a Saito .82 will help me enough to hover at half throttle. Plus, I can probably find a 3D prop in that size also.
Suggestions?
I had thought the twist wouldn't like the wind because it's so lightweight but I guess it doesn't matter if you have enough horsepower for unlimited vertical. Right? If you guys say it doesn't care about wind I'll be more brave next time
Thanks again everybody!
-Eric

I have G3 and if my yak flys anything like the yak on it I'll be just fine. About the only thing I can't do is a rolling harrier and it's very close.

While the twist stalls a bit slower due to the thick airfoil, the yak shouldn't have as much coupling. Once you figure out where to put the left stick you can knife edge the twist just fine, but it is kinda touchy and I'm not willing to do it down low yet.

I wish there was a more twist like plane for G3, that way I could practice more, but everything on G3 flys very different.

The Saito 82 on my Twist hovers it easily around half throttle. It's nice to have a good reserve of power to pull it out too. I've seen Twists fly well with 46 2 strokes but the 82 makes it a different animal.

I, too, run the Saito .82. I use a 14X4W prop and it's awesome. Some people also swear by the OS .61. I think Jack has one of each in his Twists. It's nice to have the pulllout power and sounds awesome.


On a side note, does anyone fly, or know anyone that fly's, a GP Gene Soucy Extra 300S? I'm thinking of getting one and wanted an opinion I can trust. My other option is the new Futana X 100. This will not, I say, WILL NOT be a replacement, but an addition to the twists.

Keep em' flying,
Dean

This one's for you Waldo.......this is my first true resurrection of a totaled plane. What you see is a Wattage Super Impress (obsolete) that initially was powered by a speed 400. I came up with the idea of installing an OS .25FP in it for sh#ts and giggles and WOW! Unfortunately I took it out on a day that was windier than my skills at the time could handle and screwed it into the ground at full throttle from 10' up. The wing wasn't too bad off, but the fuse was wasted. I took the pieces and they've been sitting around the shop for three years. Well, to make a long story short, I rebuilt this baby and installed a .15 TT and maidened it today. Aside from still having to move the battery full forward and getting rid of some lead, she flies beautifully. Yeah, I could have added more windows, but who looks back anyway? Thanks for the encouragement.....I'm hooked......plus I have a workshop full of destroyed planes!


Peace,

Downtrodden