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Old 07-30-2004 | 11:56 PM
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Can't really help much with the covering but how about using a small peice of soft plastic to use as a guide for getting the stab in

As far as the engine I am using the OS 46AX with the 12.25X3.75 APC Prop and man does thing plane rock

I did start out on the 11X5 APC prop for the first few flights then changed
Old 07-31-2004 | 03:03 AM
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make sure that the covering is ironed down tight next to where you've removed for gluing. Cock the stab a little and use the tip of your hobby knife to hold down the covering to start the stab in. I think the OS 46FX is plenty of power so the AX should be even better. If the Mag is heavier go for it because the plane will come out tail heavy. I had to add several ounces to get it at 4 1/2 inches.
Old 07-31-2004 | 09:26 AM
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Thanks! I'm going to try that to insert the stab today. I'll let you know how it goes.

Does anyone know what the horsepower & performance info is on the Mag XLS .52A? I found it on the OS-AX 46. I'm going to try to order the motor today so I can get to flying!
Old 07-31-2004 | 11:02 AM
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VNANUS:

Horsepower ratings on model engines are utterly meaningless. They are rated at some RPM like 16000. No real world sport engine with a propeller on it will turn anywhere near that.

And that's assuming that they don't just make them up in the first place. (Why not, nobody can prove them wrong since the engine won't turn 16000.)

You should be concerned at how fast each engine will turn a 12.25 x 3.75 APC, and the only way you are going to find that out is though the experience of others in your club and on forums like this or honest comparisons like Clarence Lee does in RCM.

For your info, the experience of the guys in my club is that the Magnum 52 will turn a prop a little faster that the OS 46AX, but the OS is much easier to tune and your changes of getting a bad one are much higher with the Magnum.

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Old 07-31-2004 | 11:15 AM
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the hanger 9 twist is a awsome plane.. i have one and love it .. will do any trick that you want it to do ... the only thing is when you put it together.. be sure to put the battery pack on top of the gas tank and mount your reciever right behind the gas tank... if you dont the plane will be to tail heavy and you can not control it,,, also be sure to use a 2oz heavy hub spinner nut on it as well... with the plane set up like that it flys like a dream...have fun with yours.... i know that i do with mine....

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Old 07-31-2004 | 01:22 PM
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For the stab, suitcase said it. The hobby knife used to poke the covering into the slot as you inch it in will make it work. I had some problem with mine until I tried this technique.

Good luck!
Old 07-31-2004 | 01:27 PM
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the only thing is when you put it together.. be sure to put the battery pack on top of the gas tank and mount your reciever right behind the gas tank... if you dont the plane will be to tail heavy and you can not control it,,, also be sure to use a 2oz heavy hub spinner nut on it as well... richard [email protected]
I would definitely leave the space over the tank accesible in case you need to move the battery up there, but there are plenty of Twists out there with the battery and receiver in the proper wing space behind the tank and they still balance perfectly....even without a weighted prop nut. Remember the plan is to keep it as light as possible....only add weight if you HAVE to. There's no way of knowing how the CG will balance out until the plane is totally built. Also, drill the motor mount screws last...that way you can move the motor forward or back to help a little with the balance issue.

To those who have yet to maiden theirs....DO NOT HAVE THE CG ANY MORE THAN 4.5" until you get used to it.

Be safe, have fun, and Twist it up!!!!
Old 07-31-2004 | 03:31 PM
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ghee-grose,

I did change the prop to the 12.25x3.75 and WOW, holy S&^%# and oh my god...what a difference, torque roll is gone on takeoff and without any right thrust added and it just climbs and climbs straight up until it's a speck if I want it to. I can't wait to get the CG back and really see what it will do.

I agree keep the CG at 4.5 and fly for a little bit then start moving it back once you get used to the plane

Dang thing just loves to float and if it is timed right you can just about land it 3 point without any forward motion, I did it 3 time and I could have crawled past it once it landed and no, there was not any wind.
Old 07-31-2004 | 06:48 PM
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I got to fly my Twist again today in some fair wind 10-12 mph according to my meter. Did very well, I flew my brushless Formosa first and oh man was that a handfull in turbulent wind! Fun though and good practice.

Anyway, On my second flight I noticed my wing vibrating... a different sound than before so I found I could rock it a little while mounted... the dang nylon bolt stripped and when I took it out it was BARELY flattened around where it meets and tightens on the blind nut. So I guess I got the weird barely offsize blind nut that everyone else has.

I flew it anyway as it still felt pretty tight and then on the third flight one of the damn landing gear bolts fell out so the whole gear rotated 90 degrees! I knew something was wrong as flight was off and it reacted weird. So on a slow flyby I saw the landing gear hanging all weird. So I landed really slow into this wind... hit the prop and killed the engine but no damage... dang, two new things to fix.

Still fun though and I got to wow some old guy that came riding up to our field on a bicycle!
Old 07-31-2004 | 06:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: Furyicon
I often think that sometimes I get this just to test me.
HAHA you know I feel like that too sometimes... especially when I think something will work out ok and I end up having to buy something else to fix it... I try to stay calm though this is a fun hobby right! Although its all better when all the aggravation is done and the plane just works right at the field... I can fly all day and all the pain it took to get there just melts away... like today... despite the problems!
Old 07-31-2004 | 07:32 PM
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Now that you mention it jeeper I'm using a heavy prop nut too. I flew it for awhile with the stock setup but later put the battery under the tank. I can't see much difference. Still have the weight on the cheeks. It balances at 4.5 in. I've come to like the wind. It makes for extremely slow landings. The plane will almost stand still if I pull back on the throttle and fly into the wind. Almost like an electric model. I don't have rudder and elevator control down too well, makes trying to hover tuff. I keep trying though.
Old 08-01-2004 | 09:36 AM
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I had to add 8 oz. to get mine to about 4.5" cg. Right now I've got an OS 46 LA with a 12.25 x 3.75. It does o.k. but I just ordered a K&B .48 for it, and plan to move the battery in with the tank when I swap engines. Hopefully that should make it a little more exciting.
My wing bolt also feels a bit off, especially when I tighten it down. I'm going to replace it today on the way out to the club.

This is my favorite plane, now I just need to learn some of these 3D moves.
Old 08-01-2004 | 03:27 PM
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Just wanted to thank you guys. I ironed it down and was able to get the stabilizer in with the knife trick!
Old 08-01-2004 | 09:46 PM
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Just wanted to thank you guys. I ironed it down and was able to get the stabilizer in with the knife trick!
No problem glad I could help. You're gonna love this plane. With the throws, though, you gotta be careful the first time you fly it. It is sensitive to control at first. Set your throws by the instructions and stay off high rates till you get used to it. good luck
Old 08-01-2004 | 10:00 PM
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I am also enjoying my Twist! This is the most exciting plane I have ever owned. I added about 1oz 1/4 to the cheeks i think its handling pretty good now. With the 12.25X3.75 this is a really awesome bird. I would get another if something would/will happen to this one!
Old 08-02-2004 | 07:01 AM
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Default RE: Hangar 9 Twist 3D

Seems a lot of you are talking about learning 3D moves, but your still running the CG at 4.5". At 4.5" the thing flys like a sport plane, only slower. You won't be able to do much until you get the CG back around 5". The plane will want to harrier on landing, so it's a bit more of a handfull. I have my battery way behind the throttle servo, and I'm still looking at getting the CG back farther. I have standard servos in the tail. If you think the plane is wild at 4.5, wait until you get it back to 5.
Old 08-02-2004 | 08:42 AM
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We got my wifes twist to the field on Sunday for the first time and it took about 7oz to balance at the 4in mark. I wanted it there to begin with since this is second airplane. We had someone else check it out that was flying another twist also and he said it flew great and even handed the controls over to my wife for a few minutes. She said that it was very touchy, the only other thing she has flown is a trainer. The throws were set at 50%, I will have her lower them to about 30-35% for her next flight.
I am also going to move the battery pack and possibly get new engine mounts and move it forward a little bit so that some of the weight can be removed.
I just can't get over the quality of this airplane for only $100.00. That's one of the reasons that I agreed to let her get it for a second airplane. It looked alot like a Sig Somethin Extra that I had for my second plane.
Old 08-02-2004 | 09:14 AM
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Well....pictures????? The first lady Twist owner, that deserves a picture! I will have to show it to my wife and try to get her interested. Now she thinks a transmitter won't fit her hands.

Congrats to her!!!!
Old 08-02-2004 | 09:15 AM
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I'm sorry to say that I've been two-timing on my Twist this weekend.

Here's what I've spent my time with.
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Old 08-02-2004 | 10:46 AM
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Hi
I would pick any of the H 9 Ultra Stick, the 40 size #han1690 for $130 will fly as good as the Twist but it will land better. The Twist likes to hang its nose up. If you are going to fly the Twist with a 46 you will have to add a ton of nose weight to get the CG to 4.0 inches. With the CG at 3.75 to 4.0 inches the Twist will land much easier but 3D preformance will suffer. If you goal is to learn to do 3D pick the Twist, but be prepared to go to a larger engine after your skills grow.
Old 08-02-2004 | 10:49 AM
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If you goal is to learn to do 3D pick the Twist, but be prepared to go to a larger engine after your skills grow.

TRUE..TRUE...TRUE!
Old 08-02-2004 | 11:44 AM
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Just got my Twist last week, and got it in the air this weekend. Really nice easy build, hard to beleive how much was already done for you. I have an OS 46FX in it. I have an 1100 mah battery (for weight) all the way up to the gas tank, and the receiver behind it. I had to add 5oz. to the nose to get CG around 4-1/2 to 4-3/4 or so. The plane however flew very well, but I see now that I could have probably avoided the weight on the nose, by putting the battery under the gas tank (maybe). Probably not a big deal now but man does this plane fly great!! I had been flying a Tiger II, and really like this plane better. For now I have an 11X7 APC prop and this seems good for now. On take off the plane seems to want to roll out a bit to one side??? Is this a thrust angle problem? Not really bad, but not straight out level take offs either. Landings however are really nice, but the Club has a black top runway so I gotta get use to the tail dragger, and eliminate that slight bounce. Ground control is a bit different as well. Any suggestions on prop choices would be appreciated. I am just a middle of the road flyer, looking to advance at some point with expirience. I had a bit of trouble seeing that purple wing bottom so added some bright yellow stripes to the underside of the wing, and man that can be seen real well aganist that purple. All I can say is for the price, this is one real nice plane, and anyone that has been flying a decent alerion trainer could fly this on low rates.
Old 08-02-2004 | 12:20 PM
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For a prop choice, most like the APC 12.25x3.75 the best. It has wider blades and really improves 3D performance!
Old 08-02-2004 | 12:37 PM
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sheptack

I had this very same problem. I added 3 1mm washers behind both left side motor mount bolts and no the problem has all but eliminated itself.

Also. let the tail come off the ground but GRADUALLY increase the throttle and the longer takeoff rool will help. Now if you plan on taking off in about 5 feet and pulling vertical, then you will be "rudder dancing" for the first few seconds especially with a larger diameter prop
Old 08-02-2004 | 07:41 PM
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ghee-grose
Here's what I've spent my time with.
Is that a H9 tribute? Looks like it. If so when did you get it? I thought they were out of stock.


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