Seagull Models Edge 540
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Nice pic, you can tell it's warm there. In my pics I resemble something more like the Michelin man :-)
Well guys, round 2 of Edge repairs have gone well, the bits that I put together last time survived the last 1 wheel landing so must have done an ok job on the repairs. I'm hoping the weather will hold out this weekend for a bit more action if so will try for some more pics.
Adjusted my Tailevator setup now so that the tail halves do not move in unison with the ailerons. I am hoping to find out if this will make the plane a bit more conventional in the turns. My previous experience with the Edge was that in anything other than a very wide sweeping turn, the plane would drop huge amounts of altitude. I put this down to the increased drag of all 4 control surfaces washing off airspeed but perhaps this is a knock on effect of too much frontal weight with the big 120 for the lift area. Still I would have thought that the big donk would also pull it round better. I will test this weekend (hopefully) and let you all know.
cheers!
Gricer
Well guys, round 2 of Edge repairs have gone well, the bits that I put together last time survived the last 1 wheel landing so must have done an ok job on the repairs. I'm hoping the weather will hold out this weekend for a bit more action if so will try for some more pics.
Adjusted my Tailevator setup now so that the tail halves do not move in unison with the ailerons. I am hoping to find out if this will make the plane a bit more conventional in the turns. My previous experience with the Edge was that in anything other than a very wide sweeping turn, the plane would drop huge amounts of altitude. I put this down to the increased drag of all 4 control surfaces washing off airspeed but perhaps this is a knock on effect of too much frontal weight with the big 120 for the lift area. Still I would have thought that the big donk would also pull it round better. I will test this weekend (hopefully) and let you all know.
cheers!
Gricer
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I've so far run a 16*6 and a 15*8. Boy does the 1.20 have some pull with the 15*8, I nearly took off with it on a nose test. :->
Would like to try a 17*7 or 16*7, can't get one in MA maybe a nice wooden Zinger would do the trick and look great too...
My 15*8 broke in the last crash so will go back to the 16*6. What do you think of the theory of the tailevators creating too much drag in a turn? comments on experience?
Would like to try a 17*7 or 16*7, can't get one in MA maybe a nice wooden Zinger would do the trick and look great too...
My 15*8 broke in the last crash so will go back to the 16*6. What do you think of the theory of the tailevators creating too much drag in a turn? comments on experience?
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From: tel avivna, ISRAEL
i was thinking about this and my thoughts are that the back wing is stalling and with so much weight in front maybe also tip stall, but what i really think, maybe you have to much weight allround.
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Anyone else notice this:
I have only 4 flights on this plane, usiing a Saito 100, APC 15x6, so not a comprehensive test, but. the roll rate even at maximum deflection is slow (about 1 per second) but the ailerons are sensitive around center. My high rate gives me 1 and 1/16" deflection which is pretty much bevel to bevel. I had to use 70% expo on high rate to smooth out the center. At factory suggested settings the roll rate is very slow.
I have other 60 size planes, staudacher, giles, extra, etc and they all have a roll rate of 2-3 per second on high rate and are not as sensitive at center.
Inverted flight requires just slight down elevator which matches the way I balanced it - to be slightly nose heavy.
Lands easy, no tip stall.
Any thoughts.
I have only 4 flights on this plane, usiing a Saito 100, APC 15x6, so not a comprehensive test, but. the roll rate even at maximum deflection is slow (about 1 per second) but the ailerons are sensitive around center. My high rate gives me 1 and 1/16" deflection which is pretty much bevel to bevel. I had to use 70% expo on high rate to smooth out the center. At factory suggested settings the roll rate is very slow.
I have other 60 size planes, staudacher, giles, extra, etc and they all have a roll rate of 2-3 per second on high rate and are not as sensitive at center.
Inverted flight requires just slight down elevator which matches the way I balanced it - to be slightly nose heavy.
Lands easy, no tip stall.
Any thoughts.
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Mine was rolling ok, I thought it should be faster but didn't want to push it seeing so many other things were on the brink of my mind with a new model. I think I'll be upping the throw on mine fairly soon to counter for the loss of taileron action in rolls.
the Magnum is the fastest rolling plane I have ever owned (or seen for that point), followed by my Twinjet, then a VMAR Arrow that I had (don't know why it was so fast for a low wing trainer), then my Seagull PC9 and finally the Edge. Will get some more deflection in the ailerons and see if I can't move the edge further forward in the list :-)
Cwoodstx, you may also have your CG to far forward, this will tend to make the handling doughy, experiment with the weight balance and let us know how you get on with your findings.
the Magnum is the fastest rolling plane I have ever owned (or seen for that point), followed by my Twinjet, then a VMAR Arrow that I had (don't know why it was so fast for a low wing trainer), then my Seagull PC9 and finally the Edge. Will get some more deflection in the ailerons and see if I can't move the edge further forward in the list :-)
Cwoodstx, you may also have your CG to far forward, this will tend to make the handling doughy, experiment with the weight balance and let us know how you get on with your findings.
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November last year I went to Singapore and bought a Edge 540 60- 90 size. I bought a Futaba 9c and a OS 91 FX Ringed for it. As you can imangine I couldnt wait until I got home to put it together and fly the new Beast.
The big day arrived and I got it ready it was a blue sky with no wind. I got the Edge out and put it in the Pits. Too my horror a Inexperiened Pilot under training decided it would be a good target to hit with his trainer..... I have included a Pic of the out come. You could imangine my delight in having a flightless Edge that was in about 100 bits.
The big day arrived and I got it ready it was a blue sky with no wind. I got the Edge out and put it in the Pits. Too my horror a Inexperiened Pilot under training decided it would be a good target to hit with his trainer..... I have included a Pic of the out come. You could imangine my delight in having a flightless Edge that was in about 100 bits.
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I hope the jerk paid you for a new model.
doesn't look like too much of the expensive bits were hit though so you might have been lucky.
In fact, if you were in the pitts you were lucky that it wasn't you that the trainer hit.
Keep the front half, the way I'm going I might need to buy it from you for spares.... ;-)
doesn't look like too much of the expensive bits were hit though so you might have been lucky.
In fact, if you were in the pitts you were lucky that it wasn't you that the trainer hit.
Keep the front half, the way I'm going I might need to buy it from you for spares.... ;-)
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The guy bought me a new one. He fixed the damage and sold it. The new owner folded the wing on it on the first flight.
I still havnt put my new Edge together but with reading this whole thread i am a bit excited now and want to get it in the air. I have heard of two Edges now that have had their wings fold.. Is it mis use of their planes or is a slight defect? Do i need to re-enforce my wings?
I still havnt put my new Edge together but with reading this whole thread i am a bit excited now and want to get it in the air. I have heard of two Edges now that have had their wings fold.. Is it mis use of their planes or is a slight defect? Do i need to re-enforce my wings?
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Wings folding is normally incorrect gluing. I don't know about Wolf, Adrian, TCFAR etc, I glue mine together with PVA woodglue and have found it to bond much better than Epoxy. This could be why the wings went on the other planes.
Mine feels quite strong. More so than any other model I've had.
Also though, Wolf measured his plane and found the front end was slightly different to mine so maybe Seagull have re-released the design with some mods including the wing joiner etc.
Mine feels quite strong. More so than any other model I've had.
Also though, Wolf measured his plane and found the front end was slightly different to mine so maybe Seagull have re-released the design with some mods including the wing joiner etc.
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I could understand if the wings fold at the join but in this case they went just outside the fuze. Im going to put mine together and see for myself. It should go ok with the OS 91 FX.
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From: tel avivna, ISRAEL
no problem so far we have several flying at our club, i have re enforced my wing with glass fib re as i do with any plane that is more than just a sport flyer, prevention is better than cry or blame.
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I think the Aeroworks Edge 540T is an awesome aircraft. It may be a little more expensive but I know for sure you get your moneys' worth. All hardware is top of the line, manual is well layed out, and overall sturctural craftsmanship is great.
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Hi guys,
thought you might appreciate some more pics.... glued my undercarriage member back in, minor balsa gluing/patching and then took on a new underside covering mission.
I was not happy with the last red on white repair, found a model shop with Oracover but they did not have the right shade of red so went for a red and white check pattern that I thought looked quite sporty.
Seems a little out of place on the model but I will give it a shot and see how it goes. If my track record is anything to go by I'll be stripping it down to do repairs next weekend....
Have also now added 4 screws to the undercarriage block, taken off the wheel spats (our patch is just too rough) and have replaced the wheels with larger items that are very flexy and squishy (not a great technical term but it is gettting late here).
ok, check out the pics and let me know your thoughts...
any other modified designs out there?
thought you might appreciate some more pics.... glued my undercarriage member back in, minor balsa gluing/patching and then took on a new underside covering mission.
I was not happy with the last red on white repair, found a model shop with Oracover but they did not have the right shade of red so went for a red and white check pattern that I thought looked quite sporty.
Seems a little out of place on the model but I will give it a shot and see how it goes. If my track record is anything to go by I'll be stripping it down to do repairs next weekend....
Have also now added 4 screws to the undercarriage block, taken off the wheel spats (our patch is just too rough) and have replaced the wheels with larger items that are very flexy and squishy (not a great technical term but it is gettting late here).
ok, check out the pics and let me know your thoughts...
any other modified designs out there?
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Pity the red in the check is not the exact same shade as the rest of the plane (one shade lighter). Hopefully though as it is down low and checky it will fool the eye. Most days here are overcast anyway....
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From: Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Originally posted by Storecreature
I could understand if the wings fold at the join but in this case they went just outside the fuze.
I could understand if the wings fold at the join but in this case they went just outside the fuze.


