What a day! I have the vertical and horizontal stabs all assembled and glued into the fuse on my new Laser, and I have started building the turtle deck. i need to fly soon before I end up in a I Love Me coat, you know the one that makes you hug yourself! I have been home with my daughter or at work for weeks now and I cant take much more of the weather. Waldo i cant wait to see the work your night is going to bring us. I was just down looking at my 150 thinking that sure would be a fun bird to add 2 more wings to. I think I got enough power on it to pull 4 or 5 wings around the sky. I have to say I am having a blast with building this kit, its my first one so I am taking her slow but it sure is going to be a beauty. I know its not a twist but I have to tell someone about it, my daughter just looks at me like I am from the moon.

T_ _ _ Tedskies Glad to hear of all the progress,,, thats great!!! and did I hear something about 3 - 5 wings on the 150 sized. well there it is folks,, a new challenge is brought about. Now the pressure can finally be taken off me, looks like the next feat will be the Quad or Quin T _ _ _ T I think you should try it, if you get started right after the laser is completed that way we can all watch 3 wings crumble in the sky and then go right to 4 then 5,, hmmmmm how many wings will a T_ _ _ T hold[:-][>:] ask mr owl, he is much wiser then I[8D]
and no work was done tonight as I took my wife to her curling club, seeing we got smashed with a blizzared right as she was suppose to leave. so I took the night off and watched some good curling action.

Skukreja, Thanks for the tips, I thought it would be extremely twitchy, and I have full flaperons in both directions so I can use them either way spoilers or flaps. I'm going to go watch the Utube clips right now, my CG is about 4.75 on the original so its coming forward maybe an inch for each wing, and my wing struts were designed to give me 2 inches total from the bottom wing to the top about 1 inch forward each wing I'm hoping that was a good number to go with,, so I should probably bring the CG to about 2 - 3 from the leading edge, I think Binky99 has a $5.00 bet on 2.5 I'm almost ready to send him the $5.00 as by the way your talking he may be right on the money. there has been talk about flooring it for the take off or a nice gentle acceleration, we are leaning towards the floor it and go method, that way there should be plenty of debris and action for the video.. LOL,, well I'll be back on the project tomorrow night, I'm hoping to be finished completely in the next 3 weeks, I need 2 weeks from tomorrow to get paid again to buy 3 - 5 rolls of the mono-cote needed. LOL

Well, just figured I'd mention that I ordered a T___T tonight along with some HS635HB servos. If they're crap I don't even want to know because they're already coming, lol.

Anyway, I'm planning on a GK Saito .82 for power and I'll probably use my DX7 for this bird unless anyone has objections. Last time, I had it on my Optic 6 and my Futaba 9C. Now I have a Spektrum with a spare receiver that's likely to never be used.

Also, is anyone running a LiPo/regulator for receiver power? I want 6v to take advantage of the extra torque and speed of those 635 servos. I was thinking about a Castle BEC @ 6v and a Thunder Power 1320 2s. Any thoughts?

Thanks for costing me another 500 bucks.
-Eric

Waldo you get to work on your planes while your wife sleeps, mine always gets up an want me to come to bed lol
Our daughters are grown to an out of the house, but we have 22 dogs, 10 dobermans an 12 papillons, so times I would love to tie a couple of those paps to a kite an fly them around but they pay the bills an support my airplane habit lol
Here a pic my my T---T an the other pic is of my se an tigermoth before her demise at the air show that day.
Are those wings all in line with each other or are they staggered if they are staggered then your center of rotation on your airfoil will be diff an you will need to adjust your cg accordingly that will be pretty easy though just take the distance from the leading edge of the wing closest to the front and measure to the trailing edge of the wing closest to the tailfeather an balance her at the 33%, also are you putting in any decathlage in the top wing. I think that the T---T bipe could of used a little more it would of made her easier to land.

RC those 635 should be fine an I would for sure use a lipo an reg if you are going to use the spektrum, if you have the snyth rx for the 9c then only use 5 volts, 6 volts is a little hard on the futaba r319.
castle does make 1 fine reg I know several people who use them

I would probably just get either a standard FM receiver from futaba, or maybe even a Hitec Supreme or something. I had good luck with them before. The synth. rx I have in my heli on 4.8v and I don't think it'll ever come out of the heli, lol.
So +1 for the CCBEC. Would you run a switch between it and the battery or just make sure to unplug it all the time? I'm sure I'd unplug it when done for the day, but I have a tendency to fly and then hang out for 20 minutes, then fly again. And I don't want it powered up the whole time.
If I do the lipo, it'd be nice to have it easily removable as well so that I can balance it easily. I guess I could just run a 6v 1500 pack, but I really like LiPo batteries.
-Eric

In every on of my planes Rc I run the nmh 2000mah 6volt. I will tell you can fly all day on one charge so whay all the hassle just to put a battery in. Plus the big plus is my batterey is only 30 bucks how much is the Lipo gonna be? Just my .02.

I guess for me, it boils down to 2 or 3 main advantages...

1. potential weight savings. It might not actually be lighter in this case but I know it would be in larger planes and I'd kind of like to find a combo that works well.

2. low self-discharge - I can charge the battery a week or two before I fly, and all I'll have to do is check the voltage and go fly. No 're-peaking' like nimh/nicd cells. I am extremely nervous when it comes to onboard batteries going dead so this would sorta put my mind at ease, lol.

3. lack of battery deterioration over time - with the low current draw of servos, a lipo battery is bound to last darn near forever as a receiver pack. Plus I don't have to worry about cycling and what not after so many "top off" charges.

With this in mind, I still don't know if I want to spend the money on it yet. A 1650 JR pack would yield plenty of flight time and I've had great luck with them so far but ... yeah you get the idea. I'm starting to ramble so I'll end here.
-Eric

Kerwin,, sweet looking hanger,,, and yes my wife would prefer for me to go to bed also,, but she usually falls a sleep around the 7:30 - 8:00 mark,, and I was always a 2Am kind of guy, so now she just sleeps on the couch while were watching the tube and that is about when I get up and start building.

Thanks for the CG advice,, I knew there was some formula out there. My wings are staggered so I will take your advice and see what I come up with I think I will leave the wings 1 and 2 at 0 incidence and wing 3 will have -1 and I will adjust as I see need fit, I know my Ultimate really worked well with those settings and it floated all day with both wings at 0.

rccardude,, Alright !!! great to hear of another T_ _ _ T being brought to the thread. what size 40 or 60??

Hehe, it's a 40. I had a PNP that was my first nitro plane ... I mean it was really my first real plane other than park flyers. I skipped clean past a trainer and went for the Twist. I didn't have any trouble flying it but I couldn't do anything beyond basic setup. It didn't ever harrier worth a darn and I couldn't hover it due to a lack of power (Evolution 46). I was trying to hover at 1/2-3/4 stick and it really needed about WOT to do it. I also decided that I had my CG too far forward to make it easier to land, but didn't really help with the flight characteristics when it came to high alpha.
But now that I've stumbled across this thread again, I remember how awesome that plane was and how impressive it was doing inverted flatspins. I'm really looking forward to it with the Saito 82. I'll probably have to hold off a few weeks to get my engine unless I have enough left over at the end of the month, but I'll definitely be able to get the servos in it and the better part of it built up.
I can't wait! LOL
-Eric

IF I had the money I would go with the li- mag batt as you can charge it in the plane and I would put the switch an charge plug on the batt side. get a cheap digtal volt meter an a 10 ohm resistor from radio shack to check the batt voltage.
As far as rx's I am really impress with the berg RX. Here not so long ago I turned on my plane and turned on the tx that was on ch 40 then I turned on another tx that was on ch 40 an the plane responded on to the tx that was turned on with the plane so then I tried flying th plane so I turned on the tx then the plane an took off Then I had a friend turn on my other tx I could tell that something wasn't right but I still had control off the plane. btw the plane was a christen eagle

[sm=confused.gif]Just let me Get this right so i'm not confused. You have two TX's on channel 40 and used one to fly the plane and had a friend turn on the other one, but you didnt loose control of the plane with the one you were flying with. So you like the Berg RX receiver since it didnt get locked out buy the oposing Transmitter TX.

I would say you were just lucky. Did your friend try and moving the sticks on the opposing TX? Not a risk i would like to take, but hey guess its a good way to test a Receiver out if you dont mind taking the risk you might loose a plane.

I stress when i go fly any of my planes. Always do a radio distance check before flying. hoping that i never get locked out. But i usually fly alone and out in the boonies, but you never know who may be using the same frequency, Some were out there in range. I have had my Tx loose signal and thats bad enough. luckly the plane was headed back my way and regained its signal and I regained control over it. Dont let them Tx batteries get low. I was flying a parzone Spitfire and there radios arent the greatest IMO. But they do the job i guess. The batteries were low in the TX and the plane got about 200 yards out, was way to far away from me anyway. Should have known better.

But you know how it is sometimes we just have to have one more flight and think well i have enough Juice For one more since that happened. After each flight I check my batteries. Thing is with them Cheap TX's that come with the ready to fly stuff, usually dont Beep or anything to warn you when your batteries are low. Ok i'm rambling typed way to much allready.

The Berg RXes are supposed to work like that. They are supposed to only listen to the radio that was turned on first while the receiver was first powered up. Since each radio has a little bit different *fingerprint,* the Berg can actually pick up on this and supposedly listen only to the transmitter it's supposed to.
Has anyone used these things in a bigger plane? I know they say full range but it still scares me ... looks like there may not be the greatest vibration damping...
-Eric

Let me vent for a minute, I ordered a muffler for one of my engines from Jtec on the 8th I paid for 2nd day air later to find out that it wasnt even available for that muffler, so then I was suppose to get it shipped to me last week per the owner. I still have not recieved it yet I then sent emails for the last 2 days and called there too and nothing till I got home tonight to find a email from the owners son saying his dad is gone for a week and he is in charge and he does not even see my order there. I am so ticked off I cant even see straight. I dont understand how in the heck some of these people can stay in bussiness when things like this happen. Shewwwww Im mad[:@]

Holy cow dude... You'd think they would leave some sort of notice or something so that you don't buy something while he's gone expecting it to show up in 2 days.
I feel your pain though... I haven't had anything quite that irritating happen but I've gotten close a couple times.
On the plus side, it's likely cold outside so you're not missing much.
-Eric

Hehe... I saw my friends all say "one more time" and then wreck their stuff into the ground. From the last time that happened to someone, every time I tell myself "one more flight," I just pack up. It's one of those where when you know it's gonna be the last flight, I just don't take it. I may seem like a wimp out at the field sometimes but at least I go home with all of my planes!
-Eric

RC I'm a little superstitious about the "one more flight" or "last flight" lines too. I have seen way to many planes go in on that "one more" than i care to count. Including a couple of mine.

Yes i don't do just one more flights Anymore.[&:] I would rather go home put everything on charge and say tommarrow will be a good day for Flying. Then Go out and have several good flights. then do it again. I have finally found some people in my Community that fly rc planes Yea. And have told me about some places to fly. I can now feel confident that i will have a place to maiden my TVV!ST's. That is if Spring ever comes.

Those Berg Rx sound pretty Cool if it will do what you say that is great.

Twisted
Give em hell get your money back if you can. I would, that is just wrong for them to do that to you. Your the Customer and the customer is always right. I wouldn't give them anymore business. There are to many, Better Companies out there that will treat you right. Just my Opion. Once i get screwed Buy someone like that they never hear from me again after i get my money back.

I have a futaba skysport that is on ch 40 an I have a futaba 9C that is syn so it be dialed to any channel, my friend that turned the tx on was so impressed he bought 1 for his pts mustang an has flown it all last season.
Yeah anymore I never say ONE MORE FLIGHT even though that is what I mean lol
Twisted do you have a reciept or somthing that you can fax to them, seems to me when the owner gets back you guys should have a talk an get that 2nd day air refund an a discount on the muffler for your troubles if not tell them just to give your money back an get a bennet or slimline.
Waldo -1 is perfect I've been flying bipes for some years now, thats why when I crashed the tigermoth is was a shear act of stupidity I should of smoothly advanced the throttle I wouldn't of ground looped an had her jump off the ground in a near stalled condition

My Comrads and I have figured out to say okay I have enough time for about 5 more flights or 3 more flights and then pull out early we change the number every week,, But yes the phrase 1 more time has destroyed many a planes in our days also.

T_ _ _ Ted yes I think its time to say just send me my money back you already bought another one,, That kind of stuff can happen and its unfortunate, they could be great and just had a mix up this time or something,, but anyway you look at it the Customer should always be taken care of... I would see how they make good on it. then decide. like maybe throw in some other toys for free or something for the aggravation of it all.

Kerwin,, Glad to hear that about the -1,,, I've had a few bipes over the years but My Ultimate is under powered, so over throttleing has never been a problem,, LOL,, As a matter of fact it almost uses the entire runway to take off, you can see grass clippings flying all over,, a blur of multi colors streaking across the ground and then the tires lift off and a clap of weeds at the end of the runway burst from the prop as it scaves across the tall weeds and grass as she lifts into space, Its quite exciting to watch actually LOL It doesn't always do that but almost 5 out of 10 flights.. As soon as I get my .61 I think the bipe is going to inherrit my OS 70 4 stroke of perhaps a 55AX

Yeah I am still ticked off even after a night of sleep. I just called the place and a answering machine said they were at a show in New York this week. I have had several emails back and forth to the owner last week and he said it was to be on its way here, after I was upset about the timing of his company he was pretty rude and asked if I just wanted to cancel the order. I said no cause I have no other place that has the setup I need for the Magnum xl180ar. I left a message that was very polite but short today just asking how this snafu is going to be resolved. I dont know what to say except I would never give this place any more of my bussiness and I will not suggest anyone to use this company. I sure hope they do make this good with me cause I am not happy about this and I will not stop talking about it until something is fixed. Thanks for listening guys.

Man.........I can relate!...........I know thy pain, well!.......I'm with you all the way!

Ok its been resolved, I got home tonight and here it was finnally! I am still going to make a call to the owner and let him know my dipleasure. Oh well I guess I cant complain I got it finnally. Hey does anyone have any good recomendations on if I should drill and tap a pressure line into the new pitts or should I just run a fuel pump to the big magnum? Any input is well apreciated.

I got it! Inspected most everything and it's a lot straighter and neater than my PNP was. No broken wood like the PNP had and even the ailerons don't look like they need heat-gunned into shape LOL.
Those HS-635s seem to be EXTREMELY smooth, and have super nice wires on them. I think I'll order some Hitec aileron extensions since they're twisted like the wires coming off of the servo.
Now just to scrounge some more change for that Saito...
-Eric

Well I think I need to go to take a class in landing 101 Friday it was 40 outside and a friend of mine asked me if he could come over an I maiden his astro hog with a super tigre 61 an ski's on her.
we have about 6 to 8 inches on the ground so I said sure the plane was fairly nose heavy but decided to fly her anyways she took off really well an after triming her out i gave him the sticks after her flew her for 4 or 5 mins he gave me back the sticks an I went to set her up. well I have a short runway only about 150 or so so when she got to the begining of the runway I noticed she was still aliitle high I went to throttle up an go around and the engine died so i was commited to the landing well a 1/3 of the way down the runway I knew for sure I was going to overshoot the runway so I let off the elev and boy did that nose drop. Right into the snow tore the landing gear an ski's off. I should of eased off the elev but I didn't. should of, could of, would of, I know you all have heard thoses. but the good thing is it got some of us excited about flying off the snow as we don't mind the snow when it's above 40 an sunny out.