well im closing on buying a trainer (2nd try on this site) and I just noticed that the add said the buyer has a choice of 2 different collors with trim. one is blue (haven't seen the blue one yet) and the other is yellow with darker collor trims.
which is easier to see in the sky?? this is a 40 sized trainer so it is of good size, but i don't want a trainer that is "camoflaged" against the sky.[&:]

Yellow will be much better.

ohh yeah, is a abc .40 sized engine a good reliable one?? and is it easy to start?

Depends on which abc engine it is. I can't tell from your post if you realize that "ABC" refers to the type of construction and not a brand. Perhaps you do. Some abc engines are very reliable. Some, not very reliable. ABC engines can be a little more difficult to start than ringed engines because they rely on a tight piston-to-cylinder liner fit for compression. You may need an electric starter. That said, they are not necessarily difficult to start.

What is the trainer, what is the engine and what is the radio? We will be glad to advise you on this purchase and hopefully help avoid the disaster of your last purchase.

-Scott

Send us a link to the trainer you're thinking of getting

the engine add is item #72315 and is add link [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=72315]linky[/link]

the plane is...[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=73480]clicky[/link]

I thinks I want to get a ringed engine, i wasn't aware that abc was a type of construction. I do know what a ringed engine is and I would like to get a ball bearing & ringed engine (to my horror I have come to find that some engines are constructed with out ball berings. there aint a car in america that doesn't use ball bearings in its engine and drive train, i can't imagine a small engine in my plane that didn't have ball bearing construction. rant off). I assume that would cost more than the bottom of the line engine but being of a mechanic back ground I can't see buying an engine that does have those two improve ments.

Sarge-

OK, here's my thoughts. If I were you, I'd quit messing around with these ads and just go to someplace like Towerhobbies.com and order a trainer and engine from them.

Trainer -- I know nothing about the "Victory" trainer. It appears to be sort of an off-brand. What I do know is there are about 20 other trainers out there that have been established to be good trainers that are well put together. They are not much more than the trainer you are looking at. If you want to go low budget, try the Tower Trainer 40, for $69.99 [link]http://www.towerhobbies.com/products/towa1110.html[/link]

Engine -- Again, Megatech is not known for engines. I would avoid this one like the plague. Good bargain brands include Magnum and Thunder Tiger and probably some others. Ringed engines take a little longer to break in than ABC. They theoretically should last a little longer, although that's not all that big a deal. Supertigre makes a good ringed .40 that is $54.99 [link=http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFV69&P=0]Here[/link]

If you get an order of $150 from Tower, you get some type of discount.

If you haven't already done it, I would start looking for someone local to help you out when you are ready to fly.

-Scott

Sorry to inform you, but car engines don't have many ball bearings. The crankshaft is supported by solid bushing type bearings that do not move one bit. If they did end up moving, you better kiss the engine goodbye, because something is seriously screwed up. About the only things on an engine that have ball bearings, are the water pump, alternator, and power steering pump. The only time you see roller type bearings (ball or needle) inside an engine is on high performance engines, and then they are only on the rocker arms. Yes the rest of the drivetrain is loaded with them, but not the engine.

I have begun lookin around and I found a group of rc flyers around here. I am not shure about letting them help me cause they don't let me have a word edge wise. around here (rcuniverse) people let the new kid have a little dignaty and accually help him out instead of the talkin over you like I have to deal with. I think Ill show up and ask some questions and try to find out how its all suposed to work, but I think I need to find a group of friendlier guys to hang with.

sarge, to add on to what scott said. When you get a radio, get the Futaba 6 EXA. It is computerized and is 6 channels. I am looking to get one soon as i have already out grown my skysport 4 and when i get my next plane if i had a 6EXA i wouldnt need anothe rradio because the 6EXA can remember 6 of your planes. Its only about 50 bucks more than your regular sky sport but in the end will help ALOT. I wish i would have got my stuff seperate as you are doing. But, i would also see what scott said about the plane, go with a tower trainer. Or if you want to spend a little more and not have to "grow out" of the plane, go with the an aerobatic trainer such as the avistar from hobbico.
Hope this helps
Chad

rb thanks,
Im not a car engine mechanic, im in aviation maintenance. maybe I don't know as much as I thought I did[:@]. Well I know they do do some thing for friction and if it was not lubricated then the engine would eat itself apart (am I right?)

I agree, you've been burned by an ad before. If saving $10-$20 is that important, save up a little longer and get something you can trust from a reputable manufacturer. That way your investment is better protected and in the long run you'll end up sticking with the hobby instead of getting something you're not happy with or flies badly.

Also, you don't have to go with a futaba radio. you can get a JR 6102 which is also a mid-level 6 channel radio with all of the neat functions that the futaba has. Not saying one is better than the other, just wanted to make sure you know there are other radios out there. In fact, they are both about the same quality. You'll learn to love whichever one you buy. Just get one that is compatible with your other club members radios. If your club is mainly futaba, go that route. If they are JR, go that route. If it's a mix, then pick whichever one you like best (be it for price or features). buddy cording is not much of an issue anymore, as there are cords available now that will allow you to mix radio brands while learning. However, when you get ready to start programming those fancy features, it helps if someone at your field can help you the first time. Also, don't overlook the hitec and airtronics. I don't see much negative about those either!

Well there are bearings, but they are solid steel, and really thin. They sit in the main bearing caps, and are smoothed considerably. They get oil from little holes in the middle, that then runs down channels in them. I'm sure if you were to break down a lycoming, or continental, they would use the same style bearings to support the crank shaft, and connecting rods. Also, the camshaft probably run on them too. This is what main bearings are.

For a radio, I would reccommend airtronics. Not too many people like to talk about them. I don't know why, since they are just as good as the others, and so much cheaper than Futaba, and especially JR.

cool RB.


New question, how does one go about retracting a bid on an item?? Now that I don't want to buy that airplane i don't see a well defined "retract offer" button to click.

NM found it.

Sarge

On the engine issue most people will agree that going for one with bearings is a good idea.

As fae as ABC vs ringed is concerned the issue is less clear, a lot of people are running ABC engines very successfully.

Suggest that you take a look at the Thunder Tiger PRO series.


Terry

I don't in any way mean to denigrate the RCU marketplace or its advertisers. It's just not a good place for a beginner to start, IMHO. You need to have a little bit of knowledge to sift through the chaff in the market or on _Bay. You can get a tried and true setup from someplace like Tower for about the same as you would pay for the items you are looking at.

I'd give the local guys another try. I'm sure someone will be helpful. You're kind of in the middle of nowhere (no offense intended, I love that area of Missouri), so you may have to take what you can get. If you don't mind driving a bit, I would think there would be someone in Joplin or perhaps Ft. Scott that could help, but I wouldn't want to drive that far to fly on a regular basis. In the meantime, you'll have no shortage of opinions from those of us on RCU.

Good Luck!
Scott

Jag I don't take offence to the out in the sticks stuff. Its just where I grew up and im allmost never in a mood to defend them because of a (semmingly every where) mood of anti-sort-of-sentiment against teenagers, which is stupid because for 1 its frickin predjudice and 2nd im not a teenager and ive never done those things they think I "must have done cause hes a teenager" (aka. crack, pot, weed, what ever). so screw em. I don't care about them or this part of the country.
Most of the adults around here are predujice, I take for example. the other day there was a african american guy who stoped in for gas. the person taking the money at the git n go acted like she was seeing a deamon standing where he was standing, and the man was skared for good reason cause no body was talking amonst them selves, they were just stareing wide eyed at him like they never saw any thing like it. unfortunatly he left in a hury. poor guy. thats why I wont stick up for "this neck of the wood"

any ways, I have re-tracted my bid on that plane. its possible ill be getting a job offer this week or possibley another next week. jobs are scarce in this part of the country.

I am going to throw my $0.02 in here.

1. Don't walk, RUN as fast as you can AWAY from the MegaTech engine.

2. For the little difference in money, get a 46 engine, not a 40. The power difference is VERY noticeable.

3. Get a USER FRIENDLY 46 ball bearing engine. OS AX, Thunder Tiger Pro and Evolution engines are all user friendly. By user friendly, I mean that 99%+ are going to run great right out of the box. There are a lot of good engines out there, HOWEVER, many of them require a "bit of fiddeling with" to get to run properly. The engines I mentioned will require little, if any fiddeling, to run properly.

4. Since the MAJORITY of trainers fly pretty much the same get one you like the appearance of. I highly recommend an ARF for a first plane. Hobbico SuperStar and Avistar as well as the SIG LT-40 are some of the most popular.

5. You have the correct idea with the 6EXA radio. I highly recommend a 6 (or more ) channel COMPUTER radio.

6. BEFORE YOU BUY A RADIO, go to the flying field and find out 2 things. What brand is used by the MAJORITY of the flyers and what are the LEAST USED channels. Get that brand of radio and on one of the least used channels. Manuals are good, but when you have a question/problem a live person with knowledge of that brand is much better. By getting the radio on one of the least used channels you will minimize your waiting time for the channel to clear so you can fly.

Sarge-

I hear what you're saying about attitudes. I stopped at a gas station like that in your neck of the woods when I was driving back from Tulsa a few months ago. It was on 71 somewhere between Carthage and Nevada, I think. Someone had a van set up outside selling rebel flags and all kinds of other stuff. There were two boys helping the guy sell the flags. Strangest thing I ever saw, they were trying to see if they could kick each other in the crotch. One of them finally succeeded. That pretty much put an end to that game.

I wish you luck on your job search and your plane search. If I were in the same shoes, I'd go for the job first.

-Scott

Sarge-

I just had another thought. It was right under my nose. Bubbagates started a thread last year called "Pay it forward" [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Pay_it_forward_%28Was_freebie_and_fee_engine%29/m_2359043/tm.htm]Here[/link], where people basically volunteer to give away unused RC equipment to help other people get started. A lot of people have been helped through this program. You might be able to at least pick up a decent used engine or radio for the cost of shipping. If you can find an engine, I have a SPAD Debonair that I could give you. Then you would just need the radio.

Let me know if you are interested.

-Scott

yep those kids are the crowning achievement of the local public school system, the kids can't think of any better games than to try that. :nonono: well if you went through nevada MO. U were about 22 mile from me, but we didn't know it at the time.
The rebel flags they were selling were a phad/phase thing the local kids were going throu during there rebelion phase. They got pretty violent, almost like a gang at one point. the cops were accually hauling off people because they saw them hold up the rebel flags (I never took part in this nonsense, I didn't want to get kicked, punched, shot!![X(] ). they are now banned in the school, and if your found flying one on your car late at night it is generally accepted that you will have the cops riding your arse out of town. which is another thing I don't like, but meh, what can I do?? my words fall on deaf ears around here (not rcu).
Any ways, Ive got a good chance at a couple computer jobs that would pay pretty good. If I get one of those jobs i will in ohh about 3 weeks buy some thing from tower or the hobby shop in springfield.