If you break it, will it fly again ?????

Likely......

Once youve got it in pieces, just how do you get it back together ???

Find out at http://bladecp.lenshouse.net

( a reorganization of B Davisons post(s) on this very board)

L0stS0ul,

Regarding the tail motors, my first one ran really hot and died within a dozen flights or so. When I took it apart the brushes were dust. Before I used my second one I did a water break-in (like the park flyer guys do) and that motor has been going strong for many, many flights (3 months). I have since upgraded to LiPo and the tail motor still runns very, very cool (just slightly warm to the touch after flying for 10 minutes or so). I believe brush seating is key on these little motors (break-in). There is so little brush there to begin with, if it is not seated just right it will burn away in no time. I am still using a stock tail setup. I think the water break in method is perfect for these little motors. I would be interested in any other data points (has anyone else tried this?). It could be that my second motor was just one of the "good" ones and the break-in had nothing to do with it.

FYI, I break my motors in (park flyer and my tail motor) by using a small drinking glass full of distilled water. I connect a single "D" cell battery to the motor making sure to have it rotating in the correct direction and then I just dunk the motor in the water until it is submerged. I let it run for 10 minutes or so, pull it out, blow the water out as best I can with a compressor and then oil the shaft lightly. Then I run the motor in on the model (in flight if possible) to help dry it out completely. From what I understand the water both cools the brushes while they seat and also removes the dust that builds up while they grind down.

Steve

Just got my site updated with some video's of before the BL setup.

Here is me in Florida over the xmas weekend. It was rather breezy, I hate flying in those conditions but I wanted pictures of the BCP at the lake. I just stuck to puttering around a bit. The next day I crashed it 5 times "showing off" till a ball link on the bell hiller broke and put me out of business.

[link=http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/images/Blade_CP_in_Florida_1_.mpg]Florida[/link]

Here's my step son Brett in flying in the gym new years day. He came to SC for the holidays but is back in Montana now at his dads. First flight in 4 months.

[link=http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/images/Brett_Blade_CP.mpg]Brett at the gym[/link]

And some pictures I took this morning of the Brushless setup.

Not bad, but,,,,, ;-( i cant read that micro-print he uses to the left......

Has anyone considered using the new DX6 Spektrum radio with the Blade yet? I went brushless and the stock tx does not have any "throttle curves" which my CC25 ESC would really like :0) THe CC25 requires you to run up full throttle for 2 seconds to set the throttle curve- kind of scary! I have heard you can replace the stock rx and then add 2 servo extension cables from the new rx to the 4in1 - does anyone know for sure? I want to use the stock tr and gyro in the 4in1.

Thanks

Any more news from the folks that have the CNC head from RC-Expert and HeliHobby? I just placed an order from RC-Expert due to the price differential. I'm looking for some feedback:

- How's the collectiive? Sticky or smooth as silk?
- How's the cyclic response?
- Durability?
- Anything else?


The bling factor on that thing is pretty high, plus I assume it will be more durable than the standard head. Thanks.

Futura,

What kind of skids do you have on that thing? Looks pretty strong. Also, where did you get it? Thanks,

Dan

Dan,

HeliDirect.com

I got the white ones and painted them silver. It's $19 and yes they are very durable. the plastic is simi flexable...hard and holds form but if you hit, they flex.....not like rubber or anything...just not hard plastic like the main frame that the motor mounts to is made from.

There is a black set...a bit different but the same type of unit. $12

It also comes with boom supports but for 18 grams I didn't think they did anything important. they connect to a thickass horizontal stab that is also useless in my opinion. I left them off.

Just made the move to the BCP today. I been flying the BCX and man what a difference. The BCP is way faster and a 1,000 times more responsive. As you may have guessed I am new to the Heli seen but man what a rush. I love this things. Its such a challange. Its been a log time sence I was this excited about RC's of any kind. I even got my dad involved and he to wants to get him one also. He's flying my BCX at the moment and loving it as much as I. Man this is great. He's 59 and I'm 39 and for the first time in years we have something to do together.

Thanks Futura.

I just placed an order for the black set (Backordered until 1/13). How does the canopy fit with the new skids on?


Also, has anyone else tried the 1300 lipo from helidirect? Looks like a bargain for $20. I don't think the Blade CP requires as high-quality lipo as say an mx-400 or t-rex. Just looking for some opinions. Thanks.

I want to say first of all that I am really new at flying helis, like two days new. I tried posting these questions in the beginners forum, but did not get a responce. So, I was hoping some of you gurus wouldn't mind helping me out. I just bought a Blade CP two days ago. I am totally new to heli's, but have some experience with electric planes. I am following instructions from Radd's School of Rotary Flight. My question is this: When I slowly throttle up, he says the heli will want the tail to move right, and the heli itself to drift left.....only my tail wants to move left when given enough throttle to make the heli light on it's skids, not right. And, when I slowly move the rudder stick to the 3 o'clock position like he says to do, the heli's tail goes even more to the left. It makes me not want to go to the next step. I have not made it to a hover yet. The book talks about the proportional mixing, but only after hovering. Can someone help me? Thanks in advance. I have learned so much from this site already.

Hey guys, just purchased the BCP and got it delivered before the new year, I am wondering if E-Flite has any stockist in Australia for the BCP. As the parts when I do crash the heli badly it will cost me a fortune!!!

bigpig777,

First check that the switches on the front of the tx are as follows:
AIL Down
ELE Up
THR Down
RUD Up

Does your tail rotor turn counterclockwise when looking at it from the right side? If not then either the switches are set wrong or you need to flip the motor connector over to reverse polarity of the tr.
Of course the propo could affect this also.

cptaustralia,

www.horizonhobby.com has an International dealer locator on their site. Horizon Hobby is the U.S. (maybe the world) importer and service center for the E-flite series of helicopters. I found 2 locations in Australia

The Hobby Man
46 Mc Crae Street
Dandenong
Australia


O'REILLY Model Products
42 Maple Avenue
Keswick, Adelaide
South Australia
Australia

http://www.modelflight.com.au

I looked at the modelflight.com sight but did not see any e-flite helicopters and that begs a question. You folks use 36 Mhz instead of 72 down under right? Is your current heli a 36mhz?

Good luck and flying!

Some modifications are needed to mount the canopy after installing the upgraded LG from Helidirect.com

Its no big deal though.

Thanks for replying! I checked, and all switches on the TX are correct. The tail rotor also does turn counterclockwise. Could it be just a matter of it not being trimmed enough, and me being new, or should I start looking at small adjustments to the proportional mix? Thanks again.

Give enough throttle to get the heli light on the skids, note which way the nose turns, then power down and unplug the battery. If the nose turned right then turn the prop. dail to the left, if nose moved left then turn it to the right. Remember to adjust in very,very,small increments until you can get the heli light on the skids without the nose turning. Do this with the trims centered and a full battery, this should fix the prob.

You have to unplud the battery before every adjustment to the pot.

i know he said this but it took me forever to figure itout. when the batter starts gettting weak it will start to spin, and i'd reset the trim. then i'd charge the battery and it'd be all out of wack. and about the time i got it adjusted the battery would be weakening again. so it's very important to set on a full battery and dont freakout and re adjust if it starts spinning toward the end of battery. if it's that low you probably need to recharge then anyway.

Here is some flying video you guys might like!

[link=http://www.whiteknuckleairlines.com/images/video/DOC%20at%20the%20Hangar.wmv]http://www.whiteknuckleairlines.com/images/video/DOC at the Hangar.wmv[/link]

Ok guys, first, happy new year!!! In the post 1424 i try to make a own battery pack with 8 cell of AA Duracell rechargable battery, but the result is to negative. The helicopter never take off because the weight is to heavy. Don't try that!!! Good luck

i just picked up a bunch of 950ma aaa from guess where ??
Now the question... what will happen first
1. ill crash the think
2. the batteries will ware out
3. Ill ware out...

;-)

I've gotten several dozen flights out of mine so far. Yesterday I looped it for the first time. Today I was feeling brave so I climbed it up high and decided to roll it. Rolled right without a problem. However, when I rolled left, just as it went inverted and I gave negative collective pitch, I heard a loud sound (thought at first it was a boom strike) the rotor stopped and it fell from about 150 feet straight in.

Lots of broken parts, bent rotor shaft, etc. The boom was ok. As I was looking at it, I realized one blade grip had flipped over almost 180 degrees, such that the linkage was on the wrong side. None of the linkages in the head were broken or popped loose, so I can't figure out how this could possibly have happened. Also, I don't see any evidence of a boom strike. Could the combination of full left cyclic and full negative pitch have caused this to happen?

Also, is there somewhere that I can purchase a 'short kit', ie: no motors or electronics? Might be cheaper than buying all the parts I'll need to fix this.

I have to say this has been a blast to fly. One of the other guys at the field had a Shogun that looked impressive, I might decide to upgrade to a better copter now.

Nice!!! who said the Blade CP can't fly in small spaces!!!!

Just to share an interesting experience I had with my "Blade" yeaterday & today. After 6 Wks in Heli's (Blade) ,finally really hovering well. Multi,Multi repairs, but flying beautifully. Past Wk noted I couldn't get it to hover more than 2-3 feet altitude, so I figured the battery was going after all the flying I was doing. Went to the LHS & decided on a 1320 Mah 3 Cell LI-PO and the aerobatic kit E-Flite suggested. Put the Batt in first and flew it--Was shocked to find it almost uncontrollable (Was flying perfectly with the old battery). Was hovering about 3 Ft when it suddenly climbed to 6 Ft (in my 7 Ft garage), then down to 1 Ft, Etc--Without my touching the throttle after lift off !!-- Then also was very unstable especially in lateral cyclic. Not quite sure how I landed it in one piece.

In studying it, noted a load of "SLOP" in the head. the Flybar literally rotated a good 20 or more degrees with the Rotor Blades held still!! I replaced the center Hub & Rotor head set, and now have literally "0" Slop. Also put the 9 tooth pinion Motor & heat sinks in, and must say she flies like a dream--Smooth as glass-- Can hover rock steady at 'any' altitude with very slight rudder input and really minimal Cyclic input.

In a word, parts wear out, and Heli's are very sensitive to everything. Have been doing RC Fixed Wing since the '60's, but NOTHING in fixed wing is comparable to Helis--- Though a novice to heli's I'm totally addicted, and looking foreward to a Trex in the next month or so, and perhaps one of those Tandem Rotor jobs later this year. Have a Raptor 30 I built 6 Years ago, which has never been flown for various reasons. It too shall fly when the weather warms up.

Lloyd

All i kept thinking, as i watched that video is:
"Gees..... why doesnt mine fly like that ?" ;-)