OK....JUST GOT MY P-47---

I have 2 questions I need help with
#1) I have a Park 400 outrunner in my Spare parts box (not 450)...it is one of the rec. setups...the lightweight setup I believe. Now With this motor will I have More power than the stock Brushed 480?...I know its a lot lighter and Not sure about the Difference in power...anyone used Both let me know...or if you just used the 400 does it Fly well?
#2) This is my First Plane with Wings down low. I have a few Slow sticks...A converted aerobird extreme ( standard elec. 15-3 burshless)...I am into Aerial Photography Big time and these 2 planes are doing me well. I fly them Both Perfect and can do many tricks and stunts ( well as many as you can do without airleron)...So This is The plane I decided to get to allow me to do barrel rolls, Flipping sideways..LOL...all that stuff....So...TO THE QUESTION.....Being my first plane thats NOT with the wings up top....Is there anything I should keep in mind or do differently with the different Type of flyer?....
I plan on waking tomorrow and bring the rest of the house awake with the smell of Foam safe CA glue early in the Morning...
This plane is a VERY Cool looking plane...I saw it at Hobbytown and fell in love...for the price I thought it was a great deal....OK Guys....Any help will be greatly appreciated and Happy Holidays to all....and to all a goodnight.

Hi,just finished my p-47.Had to add alot of nose weight to get it to balance.Installed a 450 outrunner,20 amp esc both from e flight,an apogee 2170mah 3c lipo batt.,and an apc11/7 prop,but the weather has been bad and just injuried my right foot,so will be laid up fpr a few days.What do you guys think of this set up?
thanks ffdq

Gage,
A couple of things.
Warbird have to fly fast. So don't expect it to stay in the air at the same speeds you are used to flying. Get it going too slow and it will stall and drop a wing. Unless you are 3 mistakes high when it happens, it's going to be ugly.
Also this bird has ailerons, I don't know how much experience you have with them, but it is different then the old rudder set up on most park flyers.
Also unless you take off from the ground, watch on your hand launch for torque roll.
Not something you see on a Slow Stick. The Jug will want to roll left on launch, due to the prop torque. Be ready for it.
Good Luck.

if weather agrees sunday im suppose to test out some new set ups on planes and my new heli/my buddy is suppose to test out the 400 e-flite outrunner set up. currently it will be with 11x4.7 slow fly prop. so far he says it doesnt drop as fast during static tests inside when held vertical like it does with kit motor. it did fly well from what i seen with stock motor and 10.8v typhoon pack he was using. i'll see if i can weigh his stock gearbox and motor for comparison if he brings it. something to consider... you can gain performance through wait savings and set up and dont always need more actual motor power for performance.

Hi just flew my e-flite p-47,the plane flew very nice but as I flew past the same spot I was getting hit I think. The right wing would drop and I would lost control for 2 seconds then recover like nothing happpened.There was a guy running a helicopter on the ground but not on the same frqu.Anybody know why?It flew great other then that.
thanks ffdq

could be several things. some times bad air can seem like a radio hit. certain areas around and open field near trees or hills get down drafts from winds etc. ive expierenced this and it did seem like a radio hit. radio hits with rc cars are a lot easier to distinguise and ive expierenced them more when i raced when going into a certain corner. sometimes theres dead air pockets also that ive heard of from skydivers where the air is less dense and could cause the plane to stall easier and drop a wing.

get real: I have flown at this field for many years now and never had this happen to me before.Do you think the helicopter could have anything to do with this,he was hovering in the aera where this happened.my set up is good range check was good also.
ffdq

without seeing it i couldnt say for sure. i know the turbulane generated by rotor wash is pretty easy to see with my small electric helis in the house. and im sure if you flew over or under a larger heli it could directly effect a planes stability from rotor wash if you were close. no idea what it could be. i doubt it would be frequency becuase it was intermitant and usually radio hits are pretty violent when someone is on same channel and thinks there not. could it be a loss of signal because you were really far out with a micro reciever ? ive seen micro recievers rated for 600 feet opposed to regular recievers rated to 2500 feet. ive run a gws rated for lower range but never had problems and i think its rated for 600 feet but would have to check.

Get real:I flew the plane today on a football field,before I was chased off.No other a/c flying or on site,and the plane flew great.I ordered a duel conv.reciver today the reciver I,m useing now is a singel conv.rx,maybe the duel will help.I,m sold on these small electrics the plane is just great flying and no clean up I love it.I heard on another site e-flite maybe coming out with a new plane in the spring.I,m hoping for a f6f hellcat.I will let you know how I make out with the new rx,should be here next week.
thanks ffdq

11/7E prop is the way to go for the 450 outrunner! Crazy thing will fly vertically out of my hand now. I am only using 10C 3S1800 packs I had from Dymond for my PZ p-51 and they give me great run times. Were damn cheap too.

Hi I changed my rx to a duel conv.no more problems.I now have many flights on her and this brid flys great.The 11/7e is the best prop to use with the e-flight 450 outrunner.

good to hear you got it worked out.. funny thing my buddy had some type of problem over weekedend while running 480 outrunner.. not sure what the cause was but he had no control at all and it spiraled down fast while he was gently banking a turn without any response. pretty bad damage.. i made a deal with him and he's getting a new one probally. i'll post pics of it before i rebuild it. im gonna use it for a test plane probally.. i plan to lighten it but it will probally end up same weight or heavier with amount of repairs it needs.. fuselage cracked in two.. nose of fuselage gone.. cowl is beat up.. wing tip missing.. control horn ripped out of aileron .. about only thing in decent shape is tail. once i get it flying i may glass it and finish cosmetic fix ups and give it new paint job might use it for combat flying.

I'm interested in the E-Flite P-47 brushless configuration .My question is MINUS servos and Rx. what brand and model numbers do I need to order the "work" which would include the ABSOLUTE correct charger. I built and flew my brothers G.P. Sportster E.P. and watched his near 40-battery and controller burn up noticed to my brother and Is amazement as he had just picked up the Sportster EP after a routine landind with me at the sticks[sm=eek.gif]

i have the celectra dc charger from e-flite and some wall chargers for my lipos. heres the link for P-47 and set up options http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...ProdID=EFL6000 basically if you use e-flites suggested set ups you should have fun with the plane. heres some pics of the remains of my buddys. im gonna get it back in the air maybe in a week or so if weather permits.. i'll be using the 450 outrunner and tp2100 lipo set up.. ive flown this set up in my mini edge and im gonna use a apc 11x7e prop.

I set my p-47 as per the brushless set up recc.by horizion,and it flys great.Should have no problems.

I recenlty reviewd the P-47 for another site... should be up soon.

Park 450 Outrunner Brushless & 20 amp ESC
Took the 1 oz of putty in the front lip of the cowl to balance and this with the rudder servo option installed.

This is with the TP 3cell 2100 slid into the channel it was designed for. For those adding so much weight, I'm guessing you are installing the battery in the larger area behind that seems to have "battery bumps" molded in to help keep a NiCad/Nimh from sliding so much. The tunnel is JUST ahead of that and a 2100 fit inside perfectly... this is not an air cooling tunnel.

Balance was spot on with the 1 oz of putty, though I did leave the plastic wingbottoms off... I think the underside looks just fine without addind that extra oz or so.

Flies real nice with this setup... not monstrously powered but plenty for a warbird. I could easily do very large loops from level flight.

I did want to mention that I too got a funny hit... I was using a Berg Microstamp in mine... usually flawless. My cowl came loos a little and rubbed against the pro tad, was making a little noise, then I got a hit or two. It's possible that the motor somehow generated some RF rubbing against the cowl (can't figure out how, but maybe) and that could explain others mysterious hits perhaps...

Anyhow beautiful offering from Horizon... the most complete out of box I've seen and a nice performer as well.

J. David


Battery location for clarification:

Foam is really easy to repair.. ive done repairs on my buddys planes before and now this one and some light repairs on some of mine.. i'll have to take pics of how i do it next time. its almost repaired.. i'll post pics when its done and i make new motor mount. for now i just want to see how it flys with minor work and i may not have time to go overboard on it. fuselage is repaired and other little things are fixed. ive been thinking its a warbird and sometimes they flew with quite a bit of damage. should have it done over weekend sometime and ready to fly.. been busy and now im probally gonna do some upgrades on my other planes while im working on this one since weather doesnt look good for flying this weekend. heres some pics.. motor mount came out nice for inrunner set up.. had to cut it down for outrunner.. oh well its not like i bought it.. it still worked out well. i might have time tomorrow to get this thing finished up... started on some other stuff and didnt have as much time to work on it as i would have liked.

its rtf now. has very good pull inside with 450 outrunner and apc 11x7e on tp2100. if weather agrees i should see how flight worthy it is after repairs. could use a little more repair.. i'll see how flights go.

Nice work there Get Real!

I let my buddy have mine and we ran some more figures...

We ended up trying out a HiMax 3510-1100 on a 10x7e prop and a TP2100-3S Prolite.

This motor comes with a nice firewal mount, so he modded the fron of the plane and added a firewall... added about 1/2 oz in doing so. And the motor weighs about 1 oz more than the 450... BUT we dropped all the clay off the nose and moved the battery back for CG.

It now weighs only 1 oz more than it did, but has a LOT more motor in it. It definitely has unlimited vertical as I held it vertical in the garage, he hit full throttle and I slowly let loose... it climbed up so fast I almost didn't catch it.

We hope to fly it soon and get video.... good luck on your flight... I liked the 450 just fine... it has ample power for great big loops, etc... but not unlimited vertical.

-J. David

Hi guys. I'm the friend of Maudib that is hopping up the P47 I got from him. Here's some pics of the motor, firewall, installation and where I had to move things around to balance. After removing all the clay and adding the new heavier motor & firewall, I ended up nose-heavy. So, I had to cut a slot in the bottom of the fuse to move the 2100 pack back for balance. It now rests on a velcro strip on the top of the wing.

Balance is about 1/16" behind the suggested point which should be perfect. I still haven't done a range check with this receiver, so hopefully it will check out OK. As soon as we get good enough weather I'll give it a shot and let you know how it performs. I know it will have TONS of power, but just hope I got the engine thrust angle correct!

Tom

thanks Maudib. its simple but works.. i used some scrap aluminum i had... tin snips a grinder and a cordless drill to make motor mount. ive read that most add weight to balance this plane.. my buddy did to.. even when he ran it with the 480 outrunner and with stock power set up... i started flying last summer with aerobatic electrics and im highly against dead weight in planes... its a little tail heavy and i may try a different lipo or moving 2100 more foward for better balance if it flys badly with current set up. if you and your buddy can get some video it would be great.. not familar with himax numbers but this plane flew very well on the e-flite 1020kv 480 outrunner with a cheap 1800 lipo and 10x7e apc prop.. battery probally restricted performance a little. i think the 450 should be plenty for me and give me good performance all the way around.. i dont plan on doing harriers or anything with this plane but it is nice to rocket vertical from landing speed or accelerate fast during slow passes with high power motors . PS. i'll ask my buddy if i can post his video with the 480.. he ran it for 7 minutes with cheap lipo and temps were fine probally could get 10 minutes easy but i had concerns about the pack he was running and didnt want him to fry it.. it was around 30 to 40 degrees though that day.

heres the video of my buddys flight with 480 http://media.putfile.com/480-Test-In-P-47D it was a cold overcast day but winds were not bad.

Nice video! Boy that thing has got some great acceleration and speed now! And I love the landing, nice job of parallel parking!

Can't wait to try mine out with that new big brushless momo now!

Tom

i was filming but i'll tell my buddy you liked his parking job . you should see the 480 in my mini edge with prolite 2100 and 12x6e it really moved out well. heres the video http://media.putfile.com/MiniEdge540 i took out p-47 today.. high winds. it was really weird to me flying it.. it really needed nose weight but flew ok. underpowered for amount of wind i was dealing with.. it really got tossed around a lot and it was a dark gloomy day so orientation with it was difficult.

You'll find it has considerably more drag, especially if you trimed it out with the bombs and gear. I left the plastic gear covers off to save a little weight and ended up using the full 1 oz o f clay to balance.

Of course Tom fixed that problem and replaced the clay with copper. Copper in a bigger motor that is.

His goal is to haul heiney at the field when a couple other warbird fliers bring out their zingy foam warbirds.

I feel pretty certain that this one will crank BIGTIME...