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Old 05-02-2007 | 12:38 PM
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Default GP Cap 232 40 Size Build Modifications.

The Great Planes Cap 232, 40 size built is already finished, the purpose here is not to follow the entire building process, I personally think that the owners manual have better photos of the process than those that I could take, instead of the building process I intend to post the modifications process. The Building process have only one deviation from the book, I did not installed the rods for ailerons because one of the mods is precisely install two servos for ailerons instead of only one.
The second modification is installing dual elevator servos instead of one.
The third modification is installing a pull pull system instead of the rear rudder servo.
I hope this thread could be helpful for me and anyone here at RcUniverse with the information that all of us could share.
I also want to share that I will not use the standard size servos for ailerons and elevators, I plan to use the Mighty Mini Ball Bearing Hitec HS-225BB, and for rudder I will use the strong HS 475 HB and one standard servo for throttle, for power I will use a Saito 91 that I already own and is still strong.
The trim that I am planning to use is partially copied from the Sebastiano Silvestri newest design; I also noted this trim on other different plane in the last issue of Model Airplane News and really look cool.
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I just started mine too and intend to do some mods mostly for weight savings. I will be interested to see how you do the pull pull system; are you planning to cross the cables?
I took a dremel to the fuse and took off 1/4lb, it is somewhat overbuilt. Also the rear formers, i made new ones from 1/8" balsa. Haven't started the wing yet but will make 2" ailerons and also dual aileron servos. I crashed my old one and liked it enough to buy another. Less weight is definitely better, I hope to get it sub 5lb.
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Tom, definitively you had taken a lot of weight off, this is my first cap, and I did not have any idea about the weight, I believe that the engine that I will use will make it a good flier. Yes I will cross the pull pull cables and will use an aftermarket tail wheel, I couldn’t resist buying it at the Hobby shop, and tonight I will take some pictures and will try to keep as much information available as I can. Servos, tank and covering will be here by Friday so I have the time to rethink on every step.
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i am here with my popcorn
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OK Krayzc-RCU;
Then:
S H O W T I M E !!
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Here is the complete model minus wheel pants, which will be finished before painting job.
The first modification is to install one servo for each aileron, servos will be installed in the wing so I had to cut from a sheet of ply, two pieces that match between the ribs and the main spar and trailing edge, I used the wing as a template, made the drawing directly on the ply sheet and then cut the piece. The hatch could be this large or be cut to only support the servo, I will wait for the servos to arrive from tower hobbies to make the measurements and then decide if this piece will be short or this large.
That is it for today.
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whats going on with the cut-out around the cowl?
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GP supplies the worst IMO abs cowl you will see, its made in 3 pieces therefore the 'cut-out' that you see. Recommend a fiberglass one.
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oh yeah i had that one on mine back in the day oh it did not last long at all. i ran an Satio 91 on mine sweet flying plane; however, the stock landing gear mount was an area of concern.
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Default RE: GP Cap 232 40 Size Build Modifications.

I did not mention the reinforcement of the landing gear support as a modification but any way I did it, I will post tomorrow a picture of it.
The cowl is very weak; I am at the point of thinking that instead of investing more time on finishing this cowl I would go ordering a fiberglass one.
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kewl what scheme are you looking to run & motor?
Old 05-03-2007 | 07:38 PM
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The cowl is very weak; I am at the point of thinking that instead of investing more time on finishing this cowl I would go ordering a fiberglass one.
I ordered the cowl for my Cap from Fiberglass Specialties. There were some lines from the mold that had to be sanded off and filled with a little putty but it is much better and stronger than the thing GP puts in the kit. I would definitely recomend it.
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Default RE: GP Cap 232 40 Size Build Modifications.

Chuck:
Thanks for your advise, now it is definitively on the list.
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Here is the “fix†to the landing gear, it is a ply doublers or tripler that gives strength to the landing gear support hardwood. This kind of “fix†is the same I did for my Funtana 40 size and now is very reliable.
Servos, tank, pull-pull and covering monokote have arrived from tower so now it is time to go to the workbench and do my best.
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AILERON SERVOS INSTALLATION

I cut eight triangles from a ¼ ply and glued in the corners of the bay as shown in the picture. Before placing the servos in place I made some measurements and drew some lines to locate the servos at an equal distance in the wings (Will help with the final lateral balance) and the push rod will run 90o from the trailing edge (Will help to travel the same amounts of distance). From hardwood I made the servos supports, made the final measurements and glued in place with 6 min. epoxy. When epoxy cured I lightly sanded on of the blocks so it won’t protrude on the other side of the wing and made the servo arm hole. I also drilled 1/16 holes in the corners of the hatch and installed in place with screws. The second servo is the same procedure and finishing installing the second servo I will start with the dual elevator servos installation.
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I will be using a Saito 91, the most of the servos are Hitec and the receiver will be a Hitec or a JR, I have both waiting to be used.
Thanks and keep posting:

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kewl what scheme are you looking to run & motor?
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alfredbmor

Here are some pics I dug up of mind back in the day. I don't recall what happen to this plane; therefore, I must be getting old

I would like to do anohter one in a yellow scheme, hum things that make u go hum

I think i ran standard servos on this to include the rudder and knife edge was strong with this bird. I do not think I ever tried a KE Loop on that set up as that move was pass what I could do back then. I use to wear out the blender on it lol. Seems like I ran dual elevator servos does the plane come this way of did i kit bash it to accomplish this?

I did run that cheeze cowl that came with the kit ( a no no ) lol

How much is the better after-market cowl?
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Krayzc-RCU That was a good job, the original scheme is a challenge to accomplish and is a nice one, I do prefer to paint the cowl in only one color than paint, wait, mask, paint, wait, mask etc. I hope you know what I mean. That's why I recognize that the original scheme is a nice and hard to accomplish scheme. Yellow is a great color for planes, I have an Extra waiting to be built and have considered the yellow as an option and maybe will.
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DUAL ELEVATOR SERVOS MODIFICATION

Installing the dual elevator servos are a simple task using this mini-servos, on the fuselage sides, right at the elevator push rods exits I drew what is was to be the servo bay, I took care on the alignment using this push rod exit as a guide, then used the dremel tool to make the bay, then sanded to fit ok.
Photos speak for their self.
Push rods will be installed after covering.
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RUDDER SERVO INSTALLATION USING PULL PULL SYSTEM

Considering the existing bay servos I decided to install a HS-475 Ball bearing servo, with 61 oz at 4.8 volts force which I believe enough for this planes size. Firstly I measured the bay and installed the servo at the center of the bay, I clipped the cables to the servo arm and run them trough the inside of the fuse, finding that the tab of the middle former that is intended to hold the elevator push rods was blocking the cables from running free so I cut this formers tab, I installed again and cross them to see how they run and found necessary to beef the back of the fuse where the cables needs to exit, I could leave them just like that and reinforce the covering but I want to use those nice plastic push rod exits and decided to beef them out.

I will perform some other tasks as the engine installation and the covering which I intend to post here, so keep around and keep posting.
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Alfred,

Things are moving along very well with your kit. Yeah those 475 will treat you well i am running them on a few of my birds. Back when i did my kits i thought i have to run all jr stuff since my radio was that brand. I even ran my rudder on a push pull set up of which i would only want a pull pull now a days. The 91 use to send the bird to the moon on a 14 x 6 apc i would love to do that plane again on a 15 x 4W apc and then put it thru the paces.... keep up the good work

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Gerald:
Thanks for your kind words, as for the prop, I have one 15x4W APC that I will test and for sure will post the results here.

Thanks again.

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Covering is taking some time but is rewarding to see the new skin on this plane, I had covered the bottom fuse and bottom elevators with transparent red and it looks cool.
I have finished covering all the fuse, stabs, fin, rudder and elevators and will start soon with the wings and the final scheme colors which I plan to cut with a proffesional vinil cutter.
I will be taking some pictures tonigh to post them tomorrow.
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kewl i will be ready to check them out
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Thanks Gerald, Fuse looks so simple beeing all white color, it will change a lot with all colors of the choosen scheme, here are a few pics of the fuse. I will cut the colors and try to place them with windex before the weekend, it is going to to take a while since I will have to do one side by day because I need to leave the windex reacting with the monokote at least one full day.
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