I don't think anyone (company) in their right mind would bin a program as technically good as FSOne. What a waste that would be. I'm sure that when things are looking better, they can invest the manpower and resources necessary to produce new sim models that are up to the same physics standards as the existing ones.

But regardless I'm to this day glad I chose this sim.

Surely they would want to release new Hangar 9 and E-flite sim planes (in part to promote those products), but until they can be certain when that will happen, you can see why they can't go saying something prematurely. They must know that they cannot go for very long like this before sales dry up entirely despite how good the sim itself is.

the money matters that are going on cant be anything to do with a new release as we have been waiting for a long while. but i just think it is strange as they design the planes & make the planes and they made a sim so why the long wait for some new planes. i would be happy to pay for new downloads.

Not using the sim to promote their own planes is, in my opinion, a huge misstep on their part. When you can download and install a reasonably close (no not close like it was designed by an aeronautical engineer or anything) representation of a Horizon model in a competing simulator months or years after the actual aircraft have been released I would say that's pretty much an admission of, if nothing else, that they don't believe the sim is a valid marketing tool or they don't think they'll get enough market penetration with the product to compete against the currently dominant product(s).

I love the sim, they need to invest in it.

All we can do is guess based on what we know. And one thing we know is that it's ludicrous to develop something like that and then just abandon it. No one would do that unless absolutely forced to do so. And my guess is that initially there must have been (putting it very generally) some kind of organizational issue. And then the economy woes creeped up and eventually beat down the door. So one thing after another perhaps.

I think something must come eventually. That's just my belief based on what we know (and assuming that someone at Horizon Hobby has a brain, which I'm sure is true).

Perhaps but given that they don't appear to be hurting in other areas I'm of the opinion that it's probably more of an internal political issue. They're developing and selling new planes, helicopters and cars but haven't touched the sim since hangar pack 1. While in the meantime the competition has released, I believe, three major revisions. To me that sounds a lot like whoever it was at the executive level that was backing the product either left or he or the product fell from the graces of the majority. This is all conjecture of course but, it makes better sense to me than the cost being the real issue.

It could be many things and anything is possible, but just should mention for example that Horizon has discontinued the 90 size ShowTime which is a much loved plane. To me that's an indication that sales are hurting and they are being forced to downsize. So even if the plane is popular, they are having to stick with the smaller size ShowTimes which might be marginally more profitable.

They might not be in dire straights but consumers are adjusting their spending habits.

Could be just an executive decision. Also I think that most if not all of the developers have entirely different day jobs. I recall that Selig is prof of aeronautical engineering or something and has been involved in all sorts of projects. So that can complicate things. Who knows.

Yes, or it could be an indication that they're getting ready to release a new version of the 90 size. You could be right though and they simply see a shift in their growing or stable markets to a different demographic of consumer than is inclined to buy into the 90 size.


I suppose that sort of thing could complicate development but, when a client plunks down a wad of cash people tend to adjust their schedules pretty quickly.

Is it just me or should we just IM :-)

Maybe our speculation has started to irritate them and they'll just tell us.

That would be refreshing :-)

They have it listed for $99 now.

Yeah knocking down the price to 99 happened sometime end of last summer or during last fall as I recall. Good move all things considered. A more or less fair price for a quality sim which is not evolving currently.

Hey didn't Service Merchandise have a 50% off sale just before they went out of business?

Sounds like you're implying that they might be liquidating inventory? But I don't see how it necessarily relates to dropping the price of a software package which has been around for a while and is now essentially just a CD and $20 controller. If there is no firm date for updates (and if they want to get around to that in future), then makes sense to drop the price for now to keep it in the market. All they have to do in mean time is produce CD's and cheap controllers to supply (assuming that all parties with legal rights to it agree with the strategy like the developers). The price has been at 99 for half a year or more.

As for prices generally, Horizon has actually significantly raised the prices of some products recently (like the 50 size ShowTime for example, after discontinuing the 90).

Do you really think $100 is a fair price for a sim that doesn't seem to have a future. And has it really shown enough support from the community to shore up it's look of failure? There are a number of really old race sims that are still around. But the ones still around have large, active followings. There are people pumping out new paintjobs for the original cars, AND there are people making new cars (new 3D shapes required) with appropriate physics, PLUS there are people making add-on tracks to race on. Some of those surviving race sims are twice the size now. And have multi websites providing new content. Is that happening with FSOne?

What FSOne needs now isn't more fanboys giving it lip service. It needs some active users who're providing new content. It needs to show some life from a self sustaining community.

daRock: I'll say a few things and then let sleeping dogs lie.

You're a moderator. This is a thread for people with questions about FSOne, not a thread called "debate on what's a good sim".

If we're fan boys, it's for a good reason. FSOne is a technically superb sim with or without mountains of addons and planes. And it's those mountains of addons that generate much of the community activity you speak of. And further, I've found that most FSOne users are quite low key anyway. There's not much to say except it's an excellent sim (unless the owner of another sim jumps in and starts debating that with you "because it does not have oodles of addons" which is often the case).

I had FS but will never use it again. My stock adapter got ate, and you would not believe the crap to replace it. It was a gift no reciept right there. Done. No customer help for me!! They implied to me that the 2 player (it's a player 2 adapter) two can't play on it. you still have to have the stock adapter. I begged, pleaded, tried to pay for a new stock replacement. I spent 140$ on that sim over 3.5 months and that's it, no replacement, no help, noda!! Threw the software dics away cause they are useless now. I will never buy anything Hangar 9 ever again. The absolute worst customer service I have ever seen.

From what I understand, with any stock adapter for any sim that also acts as a "hardware copy protection", that you have to return the broken adapter to get a replacement stock adapter. Because potentially anyone can make a copy of the discs and claim their adapter was lost or something.

I'm don't know whether you need a receipt or not as well to get the replacement, but that could be the case.

The implication being that a price drop doesn't necessarily equate to a good thing.

Yeah I was only surprised with comparison to a whole retailer going under. This is just one product. And the price drop is 6 months old. There was speculation when it happened but the product is still there listed.

I could turn out to be wrong.

And even if I'm right (in my belief that it's rather implausible for them to just bin the whole thing), I'm not necessarily saying the price drop is a good sign. I'm just describing one interpretation because people wonder about it. Things are obviously not running smoothly over there when code that took years of development is just sitting there untouched (it was at least 2 years in development (not to be quoted) as I recall before introduction).

A gift
came with not receipt
you paid $140 for ?????

100 for the sim, 30 for the new adapter(which didn't work), and the 10 in gas getting the adapter. And it takes the reciept and the broken piece. Support was supposed to tell me if the other adapter would work or not and they never did so i bought it, so I got a sim I can't use, and adapter I can't use, and a bad taste for hangar 9. Offered to purchase the stock one, at a handsome price, just so me and the boy could fly on it and they said nope. I got a player 2 adapter for sale if anyone is interested.

FSONE is a joke, along with hangar 9
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Hmmm.

Question: when making a copy of a plane and changing propellors from a 2-blade to a 3-blade, should the model show a 3-blade ? I still see a 2-blade propeller ?

No. That can be (or could be) changed in the graphics source TGA's. Somewhere in the past few pages was talk of changing plane paint schemes. I've tried fiddling with the propeller graphics. Never quite got it sorted out.

But for example, if on the Alpha40 or PTS P51, if you change from the 3 blade trainer prop to 11x6, you should notice the extra kick in acceleration, speed and easier gliding. Btw that particular three blade (on the Alpha, F22 and PTS P51 ) is a really different animal fyi in case you weren't aware. The PTS props are really different (should state that within fsone).

was looking into this FSone but it seems like it wont be a good buy