Regulator Switch - Beat this
05-28-2011 | 03:49 PM
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RE: Regulator Switch - Beat this
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
And think about it, Next time you buy a Powerbox switch........... Is that what is in the box or have they just had them made by Hobby King....... Makes you think doesn't it
Dennis
And think about it, Next time you buy a Powerbox switch........... Is that what is in the box or have they just had them made by Hobby King....... Makes you think doesn't it
Dennis
Take a look at the video of their facility on their website.
Emmerich is such a nice guy with cracking business ethics. It wouldn't surprise me if he's been duped by crafty Chinese business ethics and agreed to allow them to sell his products in good faith, not realising that they would just copy them.
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05-28-2011 | 04:28 PM
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RE: Regulator Switch - Beat this
ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord
No way I'd use cheap anything for a jet with a $3,000 engine in it.
I am however going to try out these 15A UBEC's for the giant sweet'n low stick. Going to use them with twin receivers and 2S 2000mah lipos. If they do good in the prop job then they will get to ride in the Panther.
Really though I don't know why jet guys don't test out thier gear in ugly sticks before putting them into a jet.
I quess it's ''I'm a jet pilot now! No more prop planes for me!''
No way I'd use cheap anything for a jet with a $3,000 engine in it.
I am however going to try out these 15A UBEC's for the giant sweet'n low stick. Going to use them with twin receivers and 2S 2000mah lipos. If they do good in the prop job then they will get to ride in the Panther.
Really though I don't know why jet guys don't test out thier gear in ugly sticks before putting them into a jet.
I quess it's ''I'm a jet pilot now! No more prop planes for me!''
why bother with a reg , hobbyking now sell 3700mah a123 2 cell packs for twenty bucks
05-28-2011 | 09:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gordon W
Page 4 of the Powerbox sensor instructions
says they make a 5.5V version with Mpx connectors. So it seems likely that PB make the Mpx one.
Page 4 of the Powerbox sensor instructions
says they make a 5.5V version with Mpx connectors. So it seems likely that PB make the Mpx one.
05-28-2011 | 10:18 PM
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Denise, I (and I suspect a lot of other people with safety in mind) would be quite happy to save a few quid for a like for like product. However we are clearly not comparing apples with apples.
I would also not be very comfortable with someone flying a jet or anything else near me fitted with one of these things.
Rob.
I would also not be very comfortable with someone flying a jet or anything else near me fitted with one of these things.
Rob.
05-28-2011 | 11:05 PM
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But they aren't the same.
There is certainly a difference in the software as the Powerbox one has selectable battery types and low voltage indications. Whilst they might appear similar, how are you going to compare the quality of the components and assembly?
But they aren't the same.
There is certainly a difference in the software as the Powerbox one has selectable battery types and low voltage indications. Whilst they might appear similar, how are you going to compare the quality of the components and assembly?
I am not saying they are the same I am buying one to test. As to who did the R and D for what that was worth who knows.
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05-28-2011 | 11:10 PM
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Denise, I (and I suspect a lot of other people with safety in mind) would be quite happy to save a few quid for a like for like product. However we are clearly not comparing apples with apples.
I would also not be very comfortable with someone flying a jet or anything else near me fitted with one of these things.
Rob.
Denise, I (and I suspect a lot of other people with safety in mind) would be quite happy to save a few quid for a like for like product. However we are clearly not comparing apples with apples.
I would also not be very comfortable with someone flying a jet or anything else near me fitted with one of these things.
Rob.
) set against the cost of Chinese Labour.As for what might be flying near you you have no way of knowing what is in peoples planes and how good the components are surely you would not want more rules for our hobby with some sort of MOT ?
Regards
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05-28-2011 | 11:13 PM
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Interesting how much debate can be generated by simply posting a product that is low cost. If I had posted the same post about a product from elsewhere in the world but the price was £80 people would have assumed it was fine..............Why cost people incorrectly relate price with quality in so many circumstances.
Thousands of people use Hobby King and they are expanding like mad so their products cant be all bad. I have bought loads of their stuff and I have been pleased with 95 % of it.
Dennis
Thousands of people use Hobby King and they are expanding like mad so their products cant be all bad. I have bought loads of their stuff and I have been pleased with 95 % of it.
Dennis
05-28-2011 | 11:23 PM
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Yes, in the highly unlikely event that they are the same I would still invest my money with the PB team because of the following....... the cheap switch is unproven in our application, it contributes to the continued R&D for future PB products, it invests in the EU and supports EU labour,etc,etc.
We are all free to spend our money on whatever we wish, however I think it pays long term to put a little more thought (and money) into what we buy in this hobby/business.
Rob.
We are all free to spend our money on whatever we wish, however I think it pays long term to put a little more thought (and money) into what we buy in this hobby/business.
Rob.
05-28-2011 | 11:50 PM
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RE: Regulator Switch - Beat this
ORIGINAL: Robrow
Yes, in the highly unlikely event that they are the same I would still invest my money with the PB team because of the following....... the cheap switch is unproven in our application, it contributes to the continued R&D for future PB products, it invests in the EU and supports EU labour,etc,etc.
We are all free to spend our money on whatever we wish, however I think it pays long term to put a little more thought (and money) into what we buy in this hobby/business.
Rob.
Yes, in the highly unlikely event that they are the same I would still invest my money with the PB team because of the following....... the cheap switch is unproven in our application, it contributes to the continued R&D for future PB products, it invests in the EU and supports EU labour,etc,etc.
We are all free to spend our money on whatever we wish, however I think it pays long term to put a little more thought (and money) into what we buy in this hobby/business.
Rob.
I agree with some of what you say above. I am pleased with the competition from China and if it makes others pull down their prices then again this is excellent in my view.
What I do know is there is no stopping China and why should we they have had nothing for years while the west gets fat............. Now perhaps it is their turn to have some luxuary
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05-29-2011 | 12:13 AM
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I can see what you are saying and I would not want the thread to get too political, there is nothing healthier than a bit of fair competition, however the Chinese play by their own rules which quite often involves standing on the shoulders of others. We got where we are today by invention and a great deal of development not by copying. I prefer to stay fat thanks.
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05-29-2011 | 12:49 AM
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RE: Regulator Switch - Beat this
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
As for what might be flying near you you have no way of knowing what is in peoples planes and how good the components are surely you would not want more rules for our hobby with some sort of MOT ?
Regards
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Sounds like a good idea to me with some of the sh-t that turns up at my local flying site
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05-29-2011 | 06:43 AM
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RE: Regulator Switch - Beat this
ORIGINAL: Robrow
I can see what you are saying and I would not want the thread to get too political, there is nothing healthier than a bit of fair competition, however the Chinese play by their own rules which quite often involves standing on the shoulders of others. We got where we are today by invention and a great deal of development not by copying. I prefer to stay fat thanks.
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Rob.
I can see what you are saying and I would not want the thread to get too political, there is nothing healthier than a bit of fair competition, however the Chinese play by their own rules which quite often involves standing on the shoulders of others. We got where we are today by invention and a great deal of development not by copying. I prefer to stay fat thanks.
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Rob.
Rob, you are so right.....I just ordered a new set of LiPo's from HK.......only because they work, not as expensive as the local Thunder Power, actully 1/3 the cost.....and of course lower quality, but not really measureable for me, just in the lack of warranty....
What burns me is any one ever look at you're invoice......they are declairing a LOT less on the batteries they send into the US than what you actually paid. They are padding the shipping as well......so they have to pay less import tax......and this is hurting legitimate competition in the UK / US for sure......
Batteries I pay $16 for are listed on the customs invoice as $4.50/EA and shipping is less than half actual cost.......
thus the internal conflict, allow this "Unfair" situation to exsist and get some cheap batteries (or other parts).......but possibly at the long term cost of good US / UK companies.....
Hard to call.....
05-29-2011 | 06:46 AM
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Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
05-29-2011 | 06:55 AM
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ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
So Jeremy, are we the GOAT?[sm=red_smile.gif]
05-29-2011 | 06:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: Nitro-Tom
Rob, you are so right.....I just ordered a new set of LiPo's from HK.......only because they work, not as expensive as the local Thunder Power, actully 1/3 the cost.....and of course lower quality, but not really measureable for me, just in the lack of warranty....
What burns me is any one ever look at you're invoice......they are declairing a LOT less on the batteries they send into the US than what you actually paid. They are padding the shipping as well......so they have to pay less import tax......and this is hurting legitimate competition in the UK / US for sure......
Batteries I pay $16 for are listed on the customs invoice as $4.50/EA and shipping is less than half actual cost.......
thus the internal conflict, allow this ''Unfair'' situation to exsist and get some cheap batteries (or other parts).......but possibly at the long term cost of good US / UK companies.....
Hard to call.....
ORIGINAL: Robrow
I can see what you are saying and I would not want the thread to get too political, there is nothing healthier than a bit of fair competition, however the Chinese play by their own rules which quite often involves standing on the shoulders of others. We got where we are today by invention and a great deal of development not by copying. I prefer to stay fat thanks.
Steps down from soapbox
Rob.
I can see what you are saying and I would not want the thread to get too political, there is nothing healthier than a bit of fair competition, however the Chinese play by their own rules which quite often involves standing on the shoulders of others. We got where we are today by invention and a great deal of development not by copying. I prefer to stay fat thanks.
Steps down from soapbox
Rob.
Rob, you are so right.....I just ordered a new set of LiPo's from HK.......only because they work, not as expensive as the local Thunder Power, actully 1/3 the cost.....and of course lower quality, but not really measureable for me, just in the lack of warranty....
What burns me is any one ever look at you're invoice......they are declairing a LOT less on the batteries they send into the US than what you actually paid. They are padding the shipping as well......so they have to pay less import tax......and this is hurting legitimate competition in the UK / US for sure......
Batteries I pay $16 for are listed on the customs invoice as $4.50/EA and shipping is less than half actual cost.......
thus the internal conflict, allow this ''Unfair'' situation to exsist and get some cheap batteries (or other parts).......but possibly at the long term cost of good US / UK companies.....
Hard to call.....
Dennis
05-29-2011 | 06:58 AM
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RE: Regulator Switch - Beat this
ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
05-29-2011 | 08:00 AM
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
Hang on a mo............ Surely you dont think a regular switch is comparable to heart surgery do you............ Get real
ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
A little thick aren't we......
What I said was basically, anyone can copy something and put on a good facade to sell themselves or a product. Might even get lucky a few times, but the cheap copied crap will always be that, cheap copied crap. When something goes wrong in a copied product, they won't have a clue how to deal with it or fix it. A switch is the heart of your airplane, shut that switch off and the nerve center, brain, and all muscle control flies out the window. Yes, even the best systems can fail, just like the healthiest people in the world can have a heart attack, but in the end, I want to have my best chances, and that means the products that are designed, produced, and supported by one manufacture, not copied by some goat in dr's clothing.
So, as an analogy, yes, I think it's very comparable. In life seriousness of course not, but I would have hoped that people would be able to see it as an analogy, not an absolute literal word.....
05-29-2011 | 08:28 AM
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ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix
A little thick aren't we......
What I said was basically, anyone can copy something and put on a good facade to sell themselves or a product. Might even get lucky a few times, but the cheap copied crap will always be that, cheap copied crap. When something goes wrong in a copied product, they won't have a clue how to deal with it or fix it. A switch is the heart of your airplane, shut that switch off and the nerve center, brain, and all muscle control flies out the window. Yes, even the best systems can fail, just like the healthiest people in the world can have a heart attack, but in the end, I want to have my best chances, and that means the products that are designed, produced, and supported by one manufacture, not copied by some goat in dr's clothing.
So, as an analogy, yes, I think it's very comparable. In life seriousness of course not, but I would have hoped that people would be able to see it as an analogy, not an absolute literal word.....
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
Hang on a mo............ Surely you dont think a regular switch is comparable to heart surgery do you............ Get real
ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
A little thick aren't we......
What I said was basically, anyone can copy something and put on a good facade to sell themselves or a product. Might even get lucky a few times, but the cheap copied crap will always be that, cheap copied crap. When something goes wrong in a copied product, they won't have a clue how to deal with it or fix it. A switch is the heart of your airplane, shut that switch off and the nerve center, brain, and all muscle control flies out the window. Yes, even the best systems can fail, just like the healthiest people in the world can have a heart attack, but in the end, I want to have my best chances, and that means the products that are designed, produced, and supported by one manufacture, not copied by some goat in dr's clothing.
So, as an analogy, yes, I think it's very comparable. In life seriousness of course not, but I would have hoped that people would be able to see it as an analogy, not an absolute literal word.....
Long excuse which dont change the fact that you tried to enforce your point by making a comparison that was way at the other end of the scale. A persons heart and a switch in a toy plane................ Give me strength
As with so many of your posts lots of words dont make it right...... Think more type less
Keep that mask on when you are spraying I think you breathed in too much
Dennis
05-29-2011 | 10:12 PM
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Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
Problem is, when its cheap, one unit may work just as well as an expensive unit and the next ten might fail. I liken it to heart surgery, suppose there are two doctors that from the outside their credentials look the same. The difference is the first dr went to medical school, did his residency at the mayo clinic and has performed thousands of successful operations. The chinese dr watched reruns of doogie howser md, photocopied diloma's, and tried to operate on a goat and got lucky. Both dr's can show you the same credentials but only one worked for them. I don't think i'd go with the cheaper dr.
Each to there own I surpose.................. Interesting however . So if two things are the same and as good as each other and one is £bi10 and the other is £70 you would buy the £70 one............... Does that make sense or is it that you are just loaded
Dennis
I went with the cheaper doctor and it hasn't hurt me one bi...one bi...one...uh...uh...thud.
05-29-2011 | 10:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: rolsen12
I have already bought one German and one chinese product and the price differance was not worth the pain in the ***** that I got.
I have already bought one German and one chinese product and the price differance was not worth the pain in the ***** that I got.
Was the German one made in China
