Thanks for the updates Mike. Have you heard whether the Remedy will be a pattern / 3D cross like the Excelleron or just a pure pattern bird?

I saw this plane in Januaray at out local field, it is a true pattern bird. that said, I believe the control surfaces were a tad large, Don't actually remember since it's been so long ago. then again, as mentioned the product manager has had some changes made to it, and that could be one of them. I would also asume since testing is being done by a true pattern pilot, that pattern is what is designed for.

I'd be mighty disappointed if not, As I am not in the market for spending tons on the airframe, and frankly an ARF is Ok with me, if it lives up to the Exeleron reputation.

I vary well be one of the fist "ginny pigs" on the remedy as I have been hounding them for it since I saw it.

MIke R

Thanks again Mike. Like you, I'm hoping it will be a pure pattern bird. Don't suppose you had a camera with you when the Remedy was at the field did you?

At some point this year I'm going to be starting on one of Mike Hester's Black Magics ( awesome plane if you've never seen one up close) but I'm a horribly slow builder so another ARF like the Remedy is probably a good idea for me.

I'm looking forward to any further reports you'll have as they become available.

Dave

Well I have built up my Exceleron 90 wing now and just test fitted it to the fuse, E-Dave since you have recently been at this stage, did you measure the distance from TE tip to the center point at the tail? If so did you get equal measurements?

Mine are not and I am on hold for the moment. I'm a good 5/16" off and this bothers me big time. I tried measuring from other reference points on the wing, such as the tips of the ailerons and the corner pockets of the ailerons and come up the same.

My Root ribs are dead on so this makes it more frustratiing. The fuse is straight to!


I'm talking to global about it now, and possibly having to build up another wing, although I did check the wing for squreness to and it was OK, realy preplexing.

as for the remedy 120, I'll post any information I have as soon as I get any.

Mike R

Hi Mike,
I must have gotten lucky because the wing alignment on my Excelleron was the closest of any ARF I've owned. The measurements were less than 1/16" off as measured from the wing TE at the outboard aileron cutout. Sorry to hear yours isn't going well. Just curious, have you checked to be sure the mounting holes are drilled correctly in the wing and fuse? Probably a redundant question since you obviously know what you're doing building, but I've had this issue on other ARFs.

Mine will finally be ready to maiden this weekend if the weather permits. Right now, the weather ain't looking too good.[:@]

Mike, I'll be looking forward to any reports you have on the Remedy.

Dave

Well I may have to ignore the fact the the centerline of the root ribs lines up perfectly with the center line of the fuse, that would let me bring the wing into square with the fuse.

Although at that point I think I'll have to determine a center line down the horizontal length of the fuse and check incedence on both sides to make sure that is equal.

Oh well, we gota do waht we gota do.

Mike R

You know Dave, you could bring that plane up here and we could probably have it ready to fly in one afternoon........

-Mike

PS plus you'll get to see the secret project X [8D]

I'm at your disposal Mike. Just let me know when--- I could definitely use a little pro-grade final setup help.

Project X? Dude, I'd walk the distance to see that!

See the attached for what Dean Pappas suggested if the wing/tail measurements didn't match.

see attchment drawing

I'm prety sure this would require me to cut the wing and then fill the short panel at the root rib.

Not a task that I am setup to do. I definetly learned something here, Measure the wing panels before joining them.
It would have been a piece of cake to laminate a piece to the short panel and make then even. [:@][:@][:@]

That's amazing. What A stroke of bad luck for you.
I've followed,participated in every thread on the Explorer/Excelleron I've found and don't remember anyone have this problem.

I have alwasy held the wing panels of a new ARF together side-by-side while aprecaiting the build quality. I didn't have a reason for it but realise now It's a good idea as I would discover a difference in length immediately by doing so. Sorry I know that doesn't help you in any way

Just a thought but would extending the wingtip of the short panel help. It would be much easier than cutting the wing in half.

I think if it was me, I would just relocate the existing wing cenetered on the fuse and fly it.

Good Luck
Eddie

Just a note regarding the Remedy from global Hobbies, Just today I received this note....

"On the Remedy, I have Chris White and Eddie Edwards, Australian Agents for Model Tech Flying the plane. They are national F3A champions in Australia and are well versed in precision aerobatics. They came up with a few mods which will make the plane better, but delayed the release. Oh well, these things happen.... "

so there still working on getting it into production.

Mike R

Well since thoose measurements are so small I have decided to ignore the root rib seem and measure the wing as a whole, and reference it that way, this means I have to slightly relocate the dowles pins and the rear mounting holes. If it presents a problem in flight that can not be corrected then a new wing will be fitted.

I would have thought they would have the next gen. ship ready before cutting prod. of the last one unless they had to order a zillion per batch.

Thanks Mike. Sounds like "no time soon" but it also sounds like they're trying to get it right.

I have the Excelleron 90 powered with a Saito 1.25 and it is simply the most gorgeous plane i have ever flown!

The flying i do is mainly sport, but i am learning knife edge flying and low inverted too...
Only problem is one of the control horns on the elevator cracked at the base... the resultant flutter broke the stab away from the fuse (the wood fractured) and the stab was tilted at about 30degress... I still had control and was able to land the plane. Repairs have been made but i am still yet to re-fly it... bit nervous actually.

I ended up buying another plane called the Surpass 90 which is the same as the Fliton Infinity 90 (or so it seems) and intend to power it with a Saito 100.
However i intend to follow this thread as the introduction of a Excelleron replacement is something that i think i would definately buy.

My only question is; why discontinue the E90? It is such a brilliant model with no real vices... how are they going to make it better?

regards

Mike

I have heard through various threads problems with the control horns, such as you experienced. I have so far been lucky on my Exceleron 50 with the standard hardware.
I am installing the OEM horns but will watch them closely; after every flight inspect.

From my conversations with the global product manager, it seems that they definetly planned on bringing the remedy in about the same time stock for the exceleron 90 was depleted. With that said, the PM also decided that they wanted to makes changes to the remedy that I don't think they were able to forsee. Frankly for me, I'm ok with the wait since it seems as though they are working to provide us with another quality aircraft such as the Exceleron 50 and 90's. I do not have the resources (funding) to be putting into some of these other ships on the market and will very much appreciate a quality kit at a reasonable price.

Frankly with the way the market is right now for pattern ships, I think anyone or manufacture that can produce a ARF kit like these has the potential to make a pretty strong stand out there in the market place.

From reading the Exceleron 90 thread here on RCU, it was quite amazing when Hobby People put those Excelerons out at $199.00 that they were being gobbled up right and left.

I realize cost of manufacturing and distrubiton has gone up some since then, but if another ship in the $200 - $300 price range flies anything like thoose...they would definetly have a winner and IMO a money maker by shear volume.

MIke R

Mike,

Built my excelleron last summer. Had the EXACT same problem. There is no simple fix, so I pretty much put the wing "square" in the saddle and accepted slightly different wing tip-to-tail lengths. Did not appear to effect flight trim. Good luck.

John D

anyone know of any updates to the Remedy?

No update yet, but next weekend is the RCX show here in California, I'll be attending and talking to the product manager, if they have one on display, I'll shhot it and load pic's for you.

Mike

Hi Mike.

I just came across this post, and wish I had earlier. I just maidened my Exceleron and now wish I had modified the elevator. I have had the thing for over a year, but varios issues have kept it hanging. The YS 110 I just got to replace the .91 (one of the issues) pulls real good, and I still might make it to Riverside.

When I got mine I had some alignment issues. I came to find out that the fuse was twisted like a red vine licorice. Fortunatly I was able to find a good one at the San Diego HP, and they swapped it out.

Mine is just about ready to maiden as well, It's been a long time coming. I bought mine 6 moths ago, but work and evrything else possible has gotten in the way of the build. Along the way my LHS had another one in stock and I nabbed it for $150. So I have another in the box. Once I see how this fly's and what tweaks are needed, then I'll build up the other one with the changes right from the get go.
Then again, if I can get my hands on the new remedy 120, I may seel off the 90 and build up the remedy.

I choose at least for now to leave the elevator as is. Frankly I don't see a problem with the counter balances. I strung up every thing with the included pull pull hardware and it all is working very smooth.

I took it out for balancing this weekend and wound up way nose heavy. But then I almost expected that, you see I have a GS2300 1.4 2 stroke up front with an aluminum spinner on it and APC 16 X 10 prop. I'm using a on board glow driver system and that along with the receiver and battery were located behind the CG former.

So I sent A PM to AreoBob asking about his battery setup and went with cutting a hatch in the tail and locating the battery just forward of the horizontal stab. I'm using a 5 cell 2500 mah Ni-Mh pack.

I'm a little heavy at 9lbs 6 ozs, but frankly I don't see that as a problem either.

some pictures og the battery hatch.

the maiden should be this weekend just before I leave for RCX

MikeR

No pictures yet, but i made my own battery extension, I cut off the standard Hitech connector and then solderd on a Deans Ultra connector using two pins for each line, then I made an extension using 16 gauge silcone wire puting the standard hitech connector on at the receiver switch.

I didn't like anything premade, just not a haevy enough gaugwe wire out there.
My run was close to 22 inches.

Just need to mount my switch, charging jack(s) and LED for the onboard and then I can tweak on the CG, shooting for 7.25 for the first flights then probably moving back to 7.5 as many said they liked that.

Looks good Mike. I removed the counterballances on the elevator only. No weight yet, but I had to add 2 3/4 oz of lead to the nose to get it just ahead of the 7.5 in. mark, and that's with a 4 cell 2100 NiMh pack mounted on the back side of the firewall.

Hopefully it will fly this weekend as well.