JPBIII

Is the horizontial stab airfoil shaped or just a slab of balsa?

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the tail surfaces are slab also the remedy needs a diet with my ignition engine it weighes 12lb. with a OS160 it weighes 11 1/2 lb now I am useing a 2700 mah 5 cell that could be lighter a saito 150 or 180 would also help with the weight so if you plan on useing the remedy in compition you are going to have weight issues

aandreas

Here are some more of my REMEDY ..Ι have the model finised now and im waiting for the wether to be litle better to test it
My setup is
2x hitec 5625 aileron
2x futapa 3050 elevator
1x futapa 148 throtle
1x tower TS-160 rudder
350cc fuel tank
MVVS 160
tuned pipe
2200 lipo +flightpower 8A regultor
1250 li-po for ignition
all up weight without cowl is 5600gr

srdic_marko

Hey there dude`s!
I`m also interested in this plane.
I can buy it here in Europe for 150 Euros, that is extremely cheap here!
Can owners of this plane please give me the few hints:
1.how is the quality of the plane? ……I download manual, but you don’t know how good it is until you have it in hands, right?!
2.firewall, how thick it is, how high, and how vide it is?
I`m asking that because I would like to put on the plane little larger gas engine, like 40cc -50cc
Is it possible to hang that size of the engine on this plane.
I`m thankful for all given answers…

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40 or 50 no way it is made for a 120 to a 180 if you want that size go with a great planes reactor I have one of them with a dl 50 it is extream to say the least. but the remedy is well built but not big enough for a 40 or 50

aandreas

If you want to fo gas with this one and have real power for all the manuvers maybe think of a DL 30.But no more than that .Firewall is thik and looks ok but with a 1500kgr (at least) engine i think it will fly like a brick

srdic_marko

Thank`s!

srdic_marko

I`m waiting for your first flight report aandreas, because I will go whit same engine and tune pipe setup. How big prop are you using and how many RPM-s are you reading?
MA Classic 18X6 my engine spin over 9100 rpm

aandreas

Marko i did my first flight today with the REMEDY and its ok with the 1.60 i used 18x8 wood prop and apc 18x6w for 3D. The plane dosent feel so light as a funtana 140 but its more acurate for mixed flight
My MVVS goes up to 8670 and more with the APC and its ok for me ...i think a glow 160 would be better ,but thats what i have .

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anndreas
can you explane doesn't feel so light? I am 1 or 2 days away from flying mine

aandreas

i want to say trhat it does not feel like a very lightly loaded big 3D plane like the FUNTANA 140 ,or like a big foame.but this is ok for this tipe of plane ...it is a good model dont have any fear [sm=thumbup.gif]

Mad Monster

Hi guys,
Bought this plane 2 weeks ago and made the first test flights yesterday.
First conclusion (after 8 flights); this plane is worth double the price I payed for it! (in the Netherlands 219 euro = $335)
For current US prices under $200 I would buy 2!

Set up:
- OS 120 AX with tuned pipe (on 10% nitro turns an APC 16x8 with >9300 rpm)
- Hitec 5985 on rudder and aelerons
- Hitec 5475 on elevators
- Graupner HS 5391 on throttle
- GP 2200 5-cell battery
- Futaba 2,4 FASST

Weight came out on 5600 gram incl batttery and spinner (no fuel).
Installed engine 90 deg. sideways (generally don't like upside-down engine installation)
Had to put the battery under the engine to get proper balance without having to add extra weight.
Kit quality (relative to price) exceptional good except for the quick links (absolute garbage; way too much play in screw threat and after one time opening they stay open).
Flying wires construction not very good. I would prefer a reinforced horizontal stabiliser instead. My tip for future builders (and also for the manufacturer ) ; reinforce the horizontal stabiliser by adding a carbon rod and forget the whole wiring s@%$t.

Flying characteristics: easy, gentle, precise. No bad habbits at all. Very little coupling. Very very gentle landing characteristcs.
Engine power is oke. Pull-out from hovering is not rocket-like but oke (no problem for me as I don't do any 3D) For pattern flying this engine (with tuned pipe!) is ok.

All in all; a lot of plane for your buck! Execellent cheap F3A / Pattern training plane! [sm=thumbup.gif]

aandreas

5600gr is to heavy for the 120..maybe its the pipe but im about 5700 with the 160 gas ant pipe.Engine with the accesories is 1450gr so maybe one of as has bad scale.
I think i can save some weight by changing tha throtle servo to a smaler one and maybe can take some balsa off the canopy conpartment...But the best end more expensive is to change the wing tube and landing gear with carbon ,and the engine base with a plastik one
I estimate one can save about 300-350gr this way ...

JHays

I have not started mine yet, but I just checked the web site and the price just shot up from $199.00 to $249.99. Still a good price but I guess I got lucky to get mine two weeks ago.
Anyone with flight data using an OS 160FX yet?

srdic_marko

Very nice indeed aandreas!
After your flight report I think I will go whit DLE-30.
It has same weight as MVVS 26cc, but more power, and more power (or less weight) is what this plane need.
Please guys, correct me if I’m wrong

aandreas

Î¥ou are corect [sm=thumbs_up.gif] DL 30 looks like the best gas you can use .I think there is no point to try to make this plane get to the 5000gr limit to fly in patern competition ...But i m thinking to change the wing tube - landing gear and motor mount to lighter ones.ill see...

Mad Monster

You made me check my scale......and it turns out just fine (had some calibrated weights to check with).
Put the plane on the scale again and.....exactly 5800...oeps forgot to empty the tank and there was still little less than half a tank (tank = 500cc) so the 5600 gram mentioned in my first posting was correct (maybe check your scale? )
Noticed you did not use the cowling? That will count for 200 - 250 grams? And my battery is heavier.
I added about 80 grams to the plane with some fixtures for the tuned pipe, engine, battery, tank and receiver.
I did not bother to save on weight for the landing gear as it turned out I needed the nose weight anyway to get a correct CG. With a lighter landing gear I would have to add weight to the nose (already had to place the battery right under the engine)
The same goes for the engine mount.
A lighter wing tube is something to consider. The supplied tube is 200 gram a carbon tube would be something like 125-150 gram. Saves 50-75 grams.....
The cockpit floor could be removed but saves ? +/- 10 grams?
I will fly the plane as it is now and see (only will try a larger prop; I have a 17x8 wood prop and 18x8 carbon prop to try)
Cheers!

aandreas

You are corect i didnt use the cowl ...i didnt know if the MVVS had the power i need for freeslyle so i didnt want to cut it yet but i put it on know and there is about 200gr more so you are right.I believed that with the 120 would be lighter but ......[sm=50_50.gif]

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Well I got mine in the air today it flys very true, rolls are axial and fast on high rates I have 3 rates set up from mild to wild. I am not over powered with the 23cc gas but it was slightly rich and maybe not the best prop for the plane further testing will have to be done before I consider an engine change. One thing that really impressed me was it locked into a harrier with no wing rocking solid upright and slow got it into a knife edge spin and could change the rotation rate with the throttle it does pull to the canopy a little but not bad more when doing high alfa knife edge. I am looking forward to fine tuning this plane to bad winter is approching fast I am going to like this plane

aandreas

[sm=teeth_smile.gif] nice to see other people that like this plane ... I did about 5 flights today ..at the begining it was very windy but then calmed down .I had a rear CG about 2 cm or 3/4" from the recomented and thats fine for 3D but not for pattern so i took out the flying wires of the tail to save some weight . That is about 50 gr or near 2 oz . that was a bud idea becowse from that time i coudnt get the tail down to hover [:@]... waterfalls got bad and generally high alpha too ,so i ll put them back .In a callm day the plane is very stable and i like it more every time ..so i ll order some carbon [sm=wink_smile.gif] and change the engine mount so save some weight ..after that if im still pleased i think that the gas motor has to get some rest and a glow one is the best with this baby.
ill post a video soon ...

aandreas

aandreas

ok [sm=shades_smile.gif]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49qK5yItZp8

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I got 5 flyts in today also got the engine running better 8,600 rpn on a 16x8 apc. i like the over all preformance but the transhion from low to high is not what i like when doing 3d, but not a total disaster. great locked in feel and lands really slow and stable I tryed a 18x6 prop the rcs140 didn't like it at all

aandreas

Well i think that glow is the only way to go on this one....

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aandreas
i think you are right but i hate the 2oz. a minute of the OS 160